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BECAUSE IT'S OF NO REAL CONSEQUENCE? AND NO ONE REALLY CARES TO KEEP READING THIS DRIVEL?

I'm not the one saying the movie is stupid. If he hates the movie so much was does he continue to post here? This is a discussion board is it not? Why are you yelling at me for discussing a movie? seriously.
post #1532 of 1595
Nolan should make a movie out of this thread. Box office gold fo' sho'. biggrin.gif
post #1533 of 1595
I think everyone has left AVS simply due to this stupid non-stop thread.
post #1534 of 1595
So I missed this one at the theater. Is it any good? Worth a rental?
post #1535 of 1595
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Originally Posted by simontan View Post

So I missed this one at the theater. Is it any good? Worth a rental?

if you liked the first two
post #1536 of 1595
Sog seems to be vying for a "No-Prize." Unfortunately, he fails to realize that No-Prizes are a Marvel Comics thing, but Batman is a DC Comics character. There will be no No-Prize for you, no matter how much you strain to invent BS excuses for glaring mistakes in the movie's screenplay.
post #1537 of 1595
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Sog seems to be vying for a "No-Prize." Unfortunately, he fails to realize that No-Prizes are a Marvel Comics thing, but Batman is a DC Comics character. There will be no No-Prize for you, no matter how much you strain to invent BS excuses for glaring mistakes in the movie's screenplay.

please go back to watching Dune, talking about idiotic movies....
post #1538 of 1595
Oh how I love Internet nerd anger. rolleyes.gif
post #1539 of 1595
This might be a dumb question but really would like a confirmation or correction. I was watching 'Batman Begins' the other night on Blu Ray and noticed that the Mbps rate was really rather low averaging in the low teens. Am I correct that the lower the Mbps rate means that there has been more compression to the film. Most Blu Rays that I have seem to be playing at between the low twenties and the mid thirties.

Thanks for a reply.
post #1540 of 1595
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Originally Posted by Steve544 View Post

This might be a dumb question but really would like a confirmation or correction. I was watching 'Batman Begins' the other night on Blu Ray and noticed that the Mbps rate was really rather low averaging in the low teens. Am I correct that the lower the Mbps rate means that there has been more compression to the film. Most Blu Rays that I have seem to be playing at between the low twenties and the mid thirties.

Bit rate is meaningless. Watch the movie, not the bit rate meter. Despite what some obsessives may believe, there is no direct linear correspondence between bit rate and picture quality. If you don't see anything wrong with the video, then there's nothing wrong with the video, regardless of what the bit rate may be.
post #1541 of 1595
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Watch the movie, not the bit rate meter.

+1 I agree.
post #1542 of 1595
Thanks for the replies, I do appreciate it and understand what you are saying, but from a technical perspective, of which I am not any kind of expert, isn't the bit rate indicative of the amount of compression ....the lower the bit rate, the more compression has been applied?
Steve
post #1543 of 1595
compression is just a word for picture quality. If you don't notice anything wrong with the picture (in reference to it's source), it's compression is fine.

Bitrate itself is just a measure of how much data is in a picture stream. Not all picture streams need the same amount of data.
post #1544 of 1595
Oftentimes what happens in this sort of scenario (HD in mid-teens bitrate), the film grain gets garbled, as it is an additional layer of picture complexity that either you have enough bitrate to preserve this info or you don't. You may also see blocking on high-motion/high-detail sequences. Again, either you have the bitrate to cover it or your don't. The caveat is if it is just beyond the realm of detection as you "watch the movie", then some people will call that "no foul". wink.gif That doesn't mean the compression didn't happen...it just means it defies easy detection in that particular scenario.

Another scenario is if you are dealing with source material that was produced all-digital and is essentially grain-less (similarly, it could be film source material that was aggressively denoised and softened). Then it is indeed possible to encode HD in the high-teens or low-twenties and be more or less unmolested by compression artifacts. The less high-frequency detail there is to resolve, the better you can sneak under a lower bitrate bar. You can either smooth and filter it so your info rate never challenges available bitrate or you leave the detail in there and hope it degrades (blocks/smears) gracefully.
Edited by Mr. Hanky - 5/14/13 at 3:32pm
post #1545 of 1595
A common misconception is that video is free of noise, and film is full of grain. Video can have alot of noise if the filmmakers wants it, and film can have very little grain depending on what filmstock is used, and were in the chain the filmscan was made.
post #1546 of 1595
After owning this BD for months and not seeing the film in the theaters I gave this one a spin last night here are my questions and observations...

What does the Legion have against poor Gotham anyway? Surely, a global organization, based formerly in Tibet or Nepal could find a closer and just as corrupt a city to obsess on.

Back before the film was released, I'd read that Cottiliard was Raz/s daughter, so this was a real spoiler for me. I knew she was going to revealed as the big bad...so that was a real downer. That said, what did she say? After she escaped from prision and was reunited with Dad, he disowned her? Why again? Then she had nothing to do with him until Bruce killed hem and then decides to destroy Gotham in revenge...again, a big WHY?

Who didn't know that Bruce was going to have to forego the rope to climb out of the prison?

How many times is Bruce going to have to go to prison to build/rebuild Batman? No more I guess, since he's retired (I guess).

Will Robin have to wander the world and go to prison, find an assassins' school, graduate and kill them all in order to put on the suit?

Why did Batman, knowing that the mask was Bane's weakness try to punch it off, rather than rip it, file it, use a Bat knife or a Bat shovel...seemed very inefficient?

Don't get me wrong. I liked the flick...didn't love it. Could have used less broken Batman and more badass Batman, but I guess you have to have a journey. Liked Hathaway as Cat......burglar. Kind of like the Hood in Arrow, never gave her a name. Preggers Cottiliard was a waste of a fine actress and should have been recast with someone more svelte. No masterpiece here.

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post #1547 of 1595
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What does the Legion have against poor Gotham anyway? Surely, a global organization, based formerly in Tibet or Nepal could find a closer and just as corrupt a city to obsess on.
Proximity to headquarters doesn't seem to be the main criterion for the Leigon picking a city for destruction. With Gotham, they were just finishing off what they had started 8-10 years earlier.
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That said, what did she say? After she escaped from prision and was reunited with Dad, he disowned her? Why again? Then she had nothing to do with him until Bruce killed hem and then decides to destroy Gotham in revenge...again, a big WHY?
He didn't disown her as much as refuse someone she loved (Bane). When the Legion decided to complete Raz's plan to destroy Gotham, she found an opportunity to take revenge on the man that she believed murdered her father, laying low until and plotting until it was the right time to strike.
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Will Robin have to wander the world and go to prison, find an assassins' school, graduate and kill them all in order to put on the suit?
Maybe he will, but Bruce apparently thought he was ready now. Interesting that the first time we see the words The Dark Knight Rises on the screen, it is on top of an image of R. John Blake (not Bruce Wane) rising.
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Why did Batman, knowing that the mask was Bane's weakness try to punch it off, rather than rip it, file it, use a Bat knife or a Bat shovel...seemed very inefficient?
Batman seemed to be emotional rather than intellectual at that moment, so I don't know if he was calculating his actions for maximum efficiency. Notice that he was also roaring/yelling at Bane, which wasn't very helpful at pulling off the mask. So he gets demerits for inefficiency, but I'll cut him some slack (considering his emotional state). In fact, I kinda liked that he lost control and went all animal on Bane rather than think of the most efficient thing to do. Makes him more human, thereby more relatable.
post #1548 of 1595
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

What does the Legion have against poor Gotham anyway? Surely, a global organization, based formerly in Tibet or Nepal could find a closer and just as corrupt a city to obsess on.
Tell UBL that.

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Back before the film was released, I'd read that Cottiliard was Raz/s daughter, so this was a real spoiler for me. I knew she was going to revealed as the big bad...so that was a real downer. That said, what did she say? After she escaped from prision and was reunited with Dad, he disowned her? Why again? Then she had nothing to do with him until Bruce killed hem and then decides to destroy Gotham in revenge...again, a big WHY?
Blood is thicker than water.

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Will Robin have to wander the world and go to prison, find an assassins' school, graduate and kill them all in order to put on the suit?
Nah, he joins the Audubon Society and is inspired to adopt the moniker "Robin" (because they always catch the worm).

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No masterpiece here.
Agreed.
Nolan's Bats are a little overrated IMO.
post #1549 of 1595
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Nolan's Bats are a little overrated IMO.
Reminds me of anything Sam Raimi has done.
post #1550 of 1595
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Reminds me of anything Sam Raimi has done.
Well, yeah....
post #1551 of 1595
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

After owning this BD for months and not seeing the film in the theaters I gave this one a spin last night here are my questions and observations...

What does the Legion have against poor Gotham anyway? Surely, a global organization, based formerly in Tibet or Nepal could find a closer and just as corrupt a city to obsess on.

Back before the film was released, I'd read that Cottiliard was Raz/s daughter, so this was a real spoiler for me. I knew she was going to revealed as the big bad...so that was a real downer. That said, what did she say? After she escaped from prision and was reunited with Dad, he disowned her? Why again? Then she had nothing to do with him until Bruce killed hem and then decides to destroy Gotham in revenge...again, a big WHY?

Who didn't know that Bruce was going to have to forego the rope to climb out of the prison?

How many times is Bruce going to have to go to prison to build/rebuild Batman? No more I guess, since he's retired (I guess).

Will Robin have to wander the world and go to prison, find an assassins' school, graduate and kill them all in order to put on the suit?

Why did Batman, knowing that the mask was Bane's weakness try to punch it off, rather than rip it, file it, use a Bat knife or a Bat shovel...seemed very inefficient?

Don't get me wrong. I liked the flick...didn't love it. Could have used less broken Batman and more badass Batman, but I guess you have to have a journey. Liked Hathaway as Cat......burglar. Kind of like the Hood in Arrow, never gave her a name. Preggers Cottiliard was a waste of a fine actress and should have been recast with someone more svelte. No masterpiece here.

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Another example of someone who did not watch the movie carefully.
My 10 year old cousin could answer those questions.
post #1552 of 1595
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

Another example of someone who did not watch the movie carefully.
My 10 year old cousin could answer those questions.
sog, how can I say this...I guess...another example of one who doesn't recognize a tongue firmly pressing against one's cheek...from one with a stick firmly lodged in his fundament.
Edited by Ron Temple - 5/20/13 at 3:17pm
post #1553 of 1595
Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post


sog, how can I say this...I guess...another example of one who doesn't recognize a tongue firmly pressing against one's cheek...from one with a stick firmly lodged in his fundament.

Kind of hard to see what your tongue is doing over the interwebz ;)

post #1554 of 1595
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

sog, how can I say this...I guess...another example of one who doesn't recognize a tongue firmly pressing against one's cheek...from one with a stick firmly lodged in his fundament.

no idea what you just said.
post #1555 of 1595
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

no idea what you just said.

We know.
post #1556 of 1595
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

We know.

You dont
post #1557 of 1595
I get the feeling I might regret posting this, but none the less, with regards to the stock exchange trades:
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Because things don't happen in 24 hours. You can't even get a $50 charge on your credit card removed in 24 hours.

This does occur. Take the 2010 Flash Crash, the relevant trades were canceled by the NYSE within 24 hours.

I just saw the movie last night and did not care for it. I liked, but did not love the first two films, but was really put off by this one. I am generally pretty lenient with plot holes, so while the ones in this film were a bit worse than normal, they weren't really the worst problem for me.

I think it tried to just pack to much into the movie and nothing felt properly developed. I think this problem was compounded by the tendency to dwell a little too long on rather unimportant aspects e.g. the relationship with the butler.
Edited by ericm83 - 5/21/13 at 12:58pm
post #1558 of 1595
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Originally Posted by ericm83 View Post

I get the feeling I might regret posting this, but none the less, with regards to the stock exchange trades:
This does occur. Take the 2010 Flash Crash, the relevant trades were canceled by the NYSE within 24 hours.

I just saw the movie last night and did not care for it. I liked, but did not love the first two films, but was really put off by this one. I am generally pretty lenient with plot holes, so while the ones in this film were a bit worse than normal, they weren't really the worst problem for me.

I think it tried to just pack to much into the movie and nothing felt properly developed. I think this problem was compounded by the tendency to dwell a little too long on rather unimportant aspects e.g. the relationship with the butler.

problem is no one knew what trades were relevant. There was no way to link the trades that Bain did to Bruce Wayne. Hell Bain could have switched to international trades once they cut the lines.

The other problem is the Bain trades were isolated. The flash crash happened to the ENTIRE MARKET. The entire DOW went down 10% in a matter of minutes. The Bain trades were a tiny spec in comparison and could be easily attributed to a ecentric billionaire making a crazy bet. And its not like Mr Wayne did not do crazy things in the past with his money.
Edited by sog35 - 5/21/13 at 1:53pm
post #1559 of 1595
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

sog, how can I say this...I guess...another example of one who doesn't recognize a tongue firmly pressing against one's cheek...from one with a stick firmly lodged in his fundament.
Gotta remember this one....biggrin.gif
post #1560 of 1595
Sog, what about this movie did you not like? No movie is perfect, there had to be something...
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