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post #451 of 1561
Another disadvantage when it comes to movies like this that were shot with some actual IMAX film sequences is that the digital IMAX screens have an aspect ratio of 2.0:1. That means that the 1.44:1 IMAX footage will be cropped, and the normal 2.35:1 footage will only have minimal letterboxing on the screen.

When I saw the recent Mission: Impossible in a Liemax theater, the scenes that were supposed to "open up" on the top and bottom of the screen were barely distinguishable from the rest unless I specifically looked for it. I'm sure that 99% of the audience didn't even notice.
post #452 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Another disadvantage when it comes to movies like this that were shot with some actual IMAX film sequences is that the digital IMAX screens have an aspect ratio of 2.0:1. That means that the 1.44:1 IMAX footage will be cropped, and the normal 2.35:1 footage will only have minimal letterboxing on the screen.

When I saw the recent Mission: Impossible in a Liemax theater, the scenes that were supposed to "open up" on the top and bottom of the screen were barely distinguishable from the rest unless I specifically looked for it. I'm sure that 99% of the audience didn't even notice.

I noticed that too! Was kind of disappointed considering I paid 18bucks
post #453 of 1561
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I was wondering about that, too. I have never seen a comparison of the resolution of a 4k digital projector versus 70mm film. Do you have a link for the shootout you mentioned? Like Willie, I plan to see one of the early screenings of The Dark Knight at the Moore Warren when it opens. I'm sure I'll be happy enough if their digital projector is only 2k but 4k would be even better.

Hey gwsat,

The shoot out was done I think last year at the moody symposium in texas. Check out the dcinema thread. Can't link on phone sorry!
post #454 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Another disadvantage when it comes to movies like this that were shot with some actual IMAX film sequences is that the digital IMAX screens have an aspect ratio of 2.0:1. That means that the 1.44:1 IMAX footage will be cropped, and the normal 2.35:1 footage will only have minimal letterboxing on the screen.

When I saw the recent Mission: Impossible in a Liemax theater, the scenes that were supposed to "open up" on the top and bottom of the screen were barely distinguishable from the rest unless I specifically looked for it. I'm sure that 99% of the audience didn't even notice.

Because Warren Theaters are billing their Moore Warren IMAX screen as "the largest IMAX screen in the country" I hope that its dimensions will accept IMAX images in an uncropped form. I plan to find out soon. Another possible problem is that the digital files the distributor provides digital IMAX theaters may already cropped. I hope not but it's a possibility, I suppose.
post #455 of 1561
15/70mm IMAX is $18 and the Digital IMAX is $18.50 here in Toronto, ON. No contest which I'll be watching this in. 2K image, in a crappy AMC Digital IMAX with super thin walls... No thank you. Every db of bass bleeds through the wall of the adjacent ETX (Extreme Theater Experience ) theatre.

The 15/70mm IMAX I go to is still the best commercial cinema experience I've had to date, no contest.
post #456 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Another disadvantage when it comes to movies like this that were shot with some actual IMAX film sequences is that the digital IMAX screens have an aspect ratio of 2.0:1. That means that the 1.44:1 IMAX footage will be cropped, and the normal 2.35:1 footage will only have minimal letterboxing on the screen.

When I saw the recent Mission: Impossible in a Liemax theater, the scenes that were supposed to "open up" on the top and bottom of the screen were barely distinguishable from the rest unless I specifically looked for it. I'm sure that 99% of the audience didn't even notice.

The local IMAX that I go to is old enough to have an original 1.44 screen. When I saw MI:4 there the aspect really opened up during the proper IMAX sequences. It was also projected digitally. Guess it just depends on where you're at.
post #457 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

The local IMAX that I go to is old enough to have an original 1.44 screen. When I saw MI:4 there the aspect really opened up during the proper IMAX sequences. It was also projected digitally. Guess it just depends on where you're at.

What digital projector are they using that can do 1.44:1?
post #458 of 1561
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What digital projector are they using that can do 1.44:1?

Previous to the recent Barco announcement, IMAX Digital uses Christie projectors. They don't do 1.44 AR,
post #459 of 1561
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What digital projector are they using that can do 1.44:1?

The screen is 1.44 cuz they sure as hell didn't tear it down and put in a LIEmax screen at ours.

Dunno what projector they use but I know it's 4k. I assume Barco.
post #460 of 1561
I'm jealous if yours has 4K. They converted our old-school IMAX theater here in Denver to digital and it sure isn't 4K (well, if it was you can erase all the hype I have about 4K--obvious pixel structure was obvious). It does and did, however, open up to 1.44:1.
post #461 of 1561
I was really disappointed that it wasn't 15/70 anymore cuz it used to be. The last thing I saw on it was 'The Dark Knight' and I really had high hopes that I was going to see 'Rises' on 15/70 but that just won't happen.
post #462 of 1561
Same here. I don't even really know what the point is of using IMAX cameras anymore if they're not going to have 15/70 or a digital projector that can do the equivalent.

maybe this laser projector will fill that gap though.
post #463 of 1561
My thoughts exactly. I read that thread about the laser projectors but I don't think I'll see those anytime soon where I live. All the theaters have just recently removed the older projectors and are now advertising that they are all digital. For the most part, I've seen it as a good thing but not the one IMAX screen we have. I wish they had kept the 15/70 system but I'm sure it's all economics and all. I'm sure it's cheaper to run 100% digital. Meh. Should be higher res for IMAX, imo. Contrary to some 'tests' done I believe 4k isn't enough for IMAX.
post #464 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

The screen is 1.44 cuz they sure as hell didn't tear it down and put in a LIEmax screen at ours.

Dunno what projector they use but I know it's 4k. I assume Barco.

Which theater is it?
post #465 of 1561
Regal/Edwards IMAX

Fresno, California

You can look it up on some IMAX website but I'll tell ya, I live here and it ain't no LIEMax.
post #466 of 1561
I thought many industry insiders that went to the moodys thing picked the 4k projector over the 15/70? Wish I went
post #467 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Regal/Edwards IMAX

Fresno, California

You can look it up on some IMAX website but I'll tell ya, I live here and it ain't no LIEMax.

Then if that is the case, it doesn't have digital projectors. It is 15/70 IMAX theater. A small one too - 273 seats right?

http://www.entertainmentgeekly.com/2...imax-theaters/
post #468 of 1561
Yes. It used to have a 15/70 system. Trust me, I was there for MI:4 and it was definitely digital 4k. I guess it's 'small'. Never been in a larger IMAX, personally.
post #469 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Yes. It used to have a 15/70 system. Trust me, I was there for MI:4 and it was definitely digital 4k.

You must be wrong Scott! The interweb says so! Lol

I might be up in the area next week and ill stop by this theater to check it out
post #470 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Yes. It used to have a 15/70 system. Trust me, I was there for MI:4 and it was definitely digital 4k. I guess it's 'small'. Never been in a larger IMAX, personally.

Ok - it's a Digital:

http://www.lfexaminer.com/theaUSA.htm
post #471 of 1561
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Because Warren Theaters are billing their Moore Warren IMAX screen as "the largest IMAX screen in the country"

See if you can find out the size. Our Wichita Warren IMAX is listed at 6 stories high and 90 feet wide. I would also suggest that you bring some foam earplugs to your first viewing. Most IMAX theaters run a system that is 15,000
to 30,000 watts. Our Warren has a 60,000 watt system and Bill Warren likes to run it a little too hot for my taste. ( and most of my friends )
post #472 of 1561
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Hey gwsat,

The shoot out was done I think last year at the moody symposium in texas. Check out the dcinema thread. Can't link on phone sorry!

Thanks, I found the thread you mentioned here. Read the quote in Post #11 for an interesting take on the 15/70 versus Barco's 4k digital comparison. The guy whose impressions were quoted thought 4k was at least as good as 15/70 film. He did say one thing about the Barco 4k projector though that concerned me:

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The only remaining advantage to the 70mm projection was that the 4K projection was 16x9 and did not fill the vertical axis of the screen. That the bottom of the 4K screen image was missing was of no consequence to me since audience heads occlude the 70mm image at the bottom and to me this may be viewed as a distraction. The top of the screen is another story however. Some of the experiential effect is lost with the 4K projection though I confess I did not miss it much. This was the only disadvantage to 4K digital capture and projection that I could see and was but one point when scored against the myriad disadvantages, both financial and logistical, of shooting and projection in 70mm.

When the audience was asked which image they liked best, the overwhelming response was that they preferred the digital projection. As an IMAX 70mm veteran, I found that quite astounding.

I recognize that the 16x9 aspect ratio will be much more problematic for giant screen dome theaters. Also Moody Gardens has a modestly sized IMAX screen. Digital light levels may be problematic on the very largest IMAX giant screens some of which are up to 100 feet wide.

I find that mostly disappointing. I think it's a great loss that the Barco 4k projector, and I assume current 2k projectors, can't project IMAX 1.44:1 images in their OAR. Also, that digital projectors might not be bright enough for giant screens is another concern. I'll know more when I see The Dark Knight on the Moore Warren's new giant IMAX screen and will post my impressions.
post #473 of 1561
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Because Warren Theaters are billing their Moore Warren IMAX screen as "the largest IMAX screen in the country" I hope that its dimensions will accept IMAX images in an uncropped form. I plan to find out soon. Another possible problem is that the digital files the distributor provides digital IMAX theaters may already cropped. I hope not but it's a possibility, I suppose.

It's bigger than the IMAX theater in New York City?

AMC Loews Lincoln Square 13 with IMAX
1998 Broadway,New York, NY 10023


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Perhaps the facility’s most attention-grabbing feature was the Sony IMAX Theatre. Billed in advertisements of the time as “The 8-Story Wonder of the World”, the theatre featured 600 seats (not included in the nine-screen total cited above), the United States' largest theatrical screen measuring 100' by 80', and was reached by means of what was claimed to be the world’s largest free-standing escalator. It was the first IMAX theatre in the U.S. to be operated by a major exhibition circuit and also the first to exhibit 3-D films in the large screen format.

http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/7222


World’s biggest movie screen installed at Sydney IMAX

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February 9, 2012 – 5:04 pm

Australia’s Adelaide Now reports:

FROM a distance it looks like a giant bed sheet, but this huge piece of vinyl is actually the world’s biggest movie screen.

It took 20 riggers to lift the 800kg screen into position at Sydney Imax Theatre yesterday.

At 29.7m high and 35.7m wide it will be the largest screen anywhere, holding its mantle ahead of Melbourne’s Imax.

After being hoisted into place the screen will be painted with four coats of “high gain” silver paint weighing 350kgs.

The $250,000 screen and its special paint were imported from Canada, Imax chief executive officer Mark Bretherton said.

http://blog.bigmoviezone.com/?p=13091
post #474 of 1561
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Thanks, I found the thread you mentioned here. Read the quote in Post #11 for an interesting take on the 15/70 versus Barco's 4k digital comparison. The guy whose impressions were quoted thought 4k was at least as good as 15/70 film. He did say one thing about the Barco 4k projector though that concerned me:



I find that mostly disappointing. I think it's a great loss that the Barco 4k projector, and I assume current 2k projectors, can't project IMAX 1.44:1 images in their OAR. Also, that digital projectors might not be bright enough for giant screens is another concern. I'll know more when I see The Dark Knight on the Moore Warren's new giant IMAX screen and will post my impressions.

The Barco 4K DLP Digital Cinema Projector uses a 3 Kw to 7 Kw bulb

http://www.barco.com/en/digitalcinem...uct/2310/specs

An IMAX 15/70 Projector uses a 15 Kw bulb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Xenon_IMAX_1.jpg
post #475 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

It's bigger than the IMAX theater in New York City?

AMC Loews Lincoln Square 13 with IMAX
1998 Broadway,New York, NY 10023




http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/7222


World’s biggest movie screen installed at Sydney IMAX



http://blog.bigmoviezone.com/?p=13091

All I know is what Warren Theaters has represented, which is that its new Moore Warren IMAX screen is the largest in the country. Thus, I assume you would agree that the size of any IMAX screen in Australia or anywhere else outside the United States is irrelevant to the truth of Warren Theaters' representation that their's is the largest in the country.

I don't know the dimensions of the Moore Warren IMAX screen so can't address whether it is larger than the AMC New York City IMAX's screen. I would love to learn the answer sometime but certainly don't know it now.
post #476 of 1561
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post #477 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Yes. It used to have a 15/70 system. Trust me, I was there for MI:4 and it was definitely digital 4k. I guess it's 'small'. Never been in a larger IMAX, personally.

Scott,

I don't think any of the Imax or Liemax theaters have any 4k projectors yet. Why do you think it was 4k?
post #478 of 1561
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Yes. It used to have a 15/70 system. Trust me, I was there for MI:4 and it was definitely digital 4k. I guess it's 'small'. Never been in a larger IMAX, personally.

Scott,

Next time you come by we if we have the time we can go to one of the Real Imax theaters (There are 4 in the area) Or we can go to a 4k theater which in my opinion looks better than Imax 70mm. I saw MI4 on both and I can say I prefered the image quality on the 4k projection.
post #479 of 1561
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Originally Posted by ivanpino View Post

Scott,

I don't think any of the Imax or Liemax theaters have any 4k projectors yet. Why do you think it was 4k?

I saw it advertised inside that they were dual 4k (for 3d) so I assume that it's a single for non-3d. You know, I could have been mistaken but I only remember it because I was like, "Wow. Dual 4k? Cool...wait, only 4k for IMAX!?! Meh."

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Scott,

Next time you come by we if we have the time we can go to one of the Real Imax theaters (There are 4 in the area) Or we can go to a 4k theater which in my opinion looks better than Imax 70mm. I saw MI4 on both and I can say I prefered the image quality on the 4k projection.

Oh, fo sho! I like the new digital projectors here in town cuz the image is very stable and the PQ doesn't degrade over time. I never see movies first run anymore so it's nice to not see damage or other artifacts. Though I'd love to see some good 15/70 again. Or just hang with you guys again.
post #480 of 1561
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Originally Posted by ivanpino View Post

Scott,

Next time you come by we if we have the time we can go to one of the Real Imax theaters (There are 4 in the area) Or we can go to a 4k theater which in my opinion looks better than Imax 70mm. I saw MI4 on both and I can say I prefered the image quality on the 4k projection.

Rave and Irvine...which else?
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