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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

What is new with the latest Boxee firmware? I have Boxee + installed so i have not updated mine yet.

Not sure what you mean, there is no new boxee FW.
post #9482 of 9676
My bad. It was my Denon receiver update
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My bad. It was my Denon receiver update
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Boxee+HACKS firmware 1.4 due tomorrow...looks pretty cool - http://boxeeplus.com/blog/
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Awesome update! I love my Boxee!
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Update is nice, with fanart. Just bought HTPC stuff but I may still keep this for the bedroom
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These guys put Avner and company to shame. Nice update, love it.
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wonder if they will be able to fix the DTS bug. if they do this thing will sell like hotcakes.
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wonder if they will be able to fix the DTS bug. if they do this thing will sell like hotcakes.

If that was fixed it would be great, but I believe it is an issues with the SDK, and I don't believe Intel is going to do anything about it since they no longer support it. I really like the Boxee's UI though. Look better than my Dune D1 and PCH-A210.
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wonder if they will be able to fix the DTS bug. if they do this thing will sell like hotcakes.
Not sure about a DTS bug. My three boxes never had issues with DTS playback. But HD audio playback always has several dropouts during a movie. DTS-HD MA and Dolby True HD audio.
They have already stated that it is not possible to fix with Boxee+. The fix needed to come from INTEL which is not going to happen.

I haven't been using my Boxee Boxes much lately though. With my two A400 boxes and my tablets, I can browse my movie collection form my tablets and see fan art cover art etc, and initiate playback from the tablet. I guess I need to let my Boxee boxes update to this new Boxee+ version and check out the new features.
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

If that was fixed it would be great, but I believe it is an issues with the SDK, and I don't believe Intel is going to do anything about it since they no longer support it. I really like the Boxee's UI though. Look better than my Dune D1 and PCH-A210.

Much like with the PCH the "DTS" bug mentioned was really a bug with HD audio, after a lot of troubleshooting it was found that it was related to the Intel SDK, which Intel said they would fix, but ended suppport for thier chipset before one ever came out. PCH luckily still has support from Sigma and got the SDK "patch" to fix the bug...Unfortunately that means for Boxee Box it wont be fixed ever, becasue if it did, they would still be one of the top players to get as they STILL seem to be the only ones to get the Jukebox right for those that dont want to manually manage it from a computer.......That is one thing that still boggels me that companies havent taken a look at how boxee handeled the databases and tried to implement something simillar in thier boxes....If either Mede8ter ot PCH did it for a local jukebox it would be a major step (multiple non network sources in one Jukebox).....
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PCH-A300 /A400 have an internal jukebox already.
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Hi Ph8te,
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

. . . as they STILL seem to be the only ones to get the Jukebox right for those that dont want to manually manage it from a computer.......That is one thing that still boggels me that companies havent taken a look at how boxee handeled the databases and tried to implement something simillar in thier boxes....
Yes, Boxee did something very different with their jukebox, which was to create their own servers on the Internet to host the movie information. Most other companies won't want to go that route.

What was right with that approach was that each customer's Boxee-Box could fetch the movie info pre-scraped from the Boxee database without nedding much firmware to do it. No PC needed to do the scraping, as Boxee had already done the scraping.

What was wrong with that approach was that it only worked for movies that were in Boxee's database. Other movies would be hopelessly mis-identified. More than half of my movies are either old or esoteric, and Boxee could not identify them. I don't have that problem with my NeoTV or my Dune, using separate PC software.

I suspect that eventually there will be a middle ground: A third-party database, like something derived from IMDB but using a non-HTTP protocol, that any media-player could directly access for its jukebox (maybe for a licensing fee) and that is more complete than the Boxee database. It could open a player up to people without computers, or where a company doesn't want to worry about Windows/iOS/Linux/Android support. I suspect the "smart" TVs will push this path.
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Originally Posted by MarkHotchkiss View Post

Hi Ph8te,
Yes, Boxee did something very different with their jukebox, which was to create their own servers on the Internet to host the movie information. Most other companies won't want to go that route.
What was right with that approach was that each customer's Boxee-Box could fetch the movie info pre-scraped from the Boxee database without nedding much firmware to do it. No PC needed to do the scraping, as Boxee had already done the scraping.
What was wrong with that approach was that it only worked for movies that were in Boxee's database. Other movies would be hopelessly mis-identified. More than half of my movies are either old or esoteric, and Boxee could not identify them. I don't have that problem with my NeoTV or my Dune, using separate PC software.
I suspect that eventually there will be a middle ground: A third-party database, like something derived from IMDB but using a non-HTTP protocol, that any media-player could directly access for its jukebox (maybe for a licensing fee) and that is more complete than the Boxee database. It could open a player up to people without computers, or where a company doesn't want to worry about Windows/iOS/Linux/Android support. I suspect the "smart" TVs will push this path.

I doubt that smart TV will push it as most companies want to play friendly with the big movie companies, who dont want you even suing a backup of a movie you own.......Boxee licenced from IMDB at least for part of the database, and I believe PCH uses themovedb and thetvdb......Regardless of what you use, for some movies you may need to "manually" enter of provide information\artwork for a movie. A hybrid where if the NFO\artwork isnt there is goes to the "companies" databse would be a good fit....

I think the biggest thing everyone besides boxxee failed at is the multi disk into one jukebox where no matter where the files were located, it would all show up in one jukebox...PCH is close with adding support via netowrk shares, but doesnt allow for those of the group that have locally attached media....While you can "manually" fake it, its still not native and it should be....Once this happen the PCH will be on its way to me (of course the DTSHD ect bug being confirmed fixed is another). I dont keep my computers on 24/7 nor do I feel like manually managing my databases from my computer ....
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Hi Ph8te,
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I doubt that smart TV will push it as most companies want to play friendly with the big movie companies, who don't want you even using a backup of a movie you own.......
Good point. Never underestimate the power of politics to derail innovation.
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I think the biggest thing everyone besides boxxee failed at is the multi disk into one jukebox where no matter where the files were located, it would all show up in one jukebox...
Oh, I didn't realize that it was a problem for most jukeboxes. My NeoTV and Dune (using Zappity) have no problems aggregating movies from different locations into one jukebox. I never used other jukeboxes, however, as my prior players, besides Boxee, were AlTech Mediagates (file browsing only). The NeoTV and Zappity work similar to Boxee, where you build a list of file locations, and they are all scanned into one jukebox. Zappity takes it a step further, where you also specify which jukebox to scan into: the "Movies" jukebox or the "TV Shows" jukebox.
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Originally Posted by MarkHotchkiss View Post

Hi Ph8te,
Yes, Boxee did something very different with their jukebox, which was to create their own servers on the Internet to host the movie information. Most other companies won't want to go that route.
What was right with that approach was that each customer's Boxee-Box could fetch the movie info pre-scraped from the Boxee database without nedding much firmware to do it. No PC needed to do the scraping, as Boxee had already done the scraping.
What was wrong with that approach was that it only worked for movies that were in Boxee's database. Other movies would be hopelessly mis-identified. More than half of my movies are either old or esoteric, and Boxee could not identify them. I don't have that problem with my NeoTV or my Dune, using separate PC software.
I suspect that eventually there will be a middle ground: A third-party database, like something derived from IMDB but using a non-HTTP protocol, that any media-player could directly access for its jukebox (maybe for a licensing fee) and that is more complete than the Boxee database. It could open a player up to people without computers, or where a company doesn't want to worry about Windows/iOS/Linux/Android support. I suspect the "smart" TVs will push this path.

That is actually how PCH does there scrapping, They have an amazon cloud service, when you scan with NMJ it hits the amazon cloud and if not found the cloud goes and fetches the information from moviedb and moves it to their cloud service for cache reasons of not hitting moviedb 10000's of times for the same movie. But the main fault on the PCH jukebox is there is zero regex pattern checking except if its tv vs movie, So unless everything is named perfect it struggles
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Originally Posted by MarkHotchkiss View Post

Hi Ph8te,
Good point. Never underestimate the power of politics to derail innovation.
Oh, I didn't realize that it was a problem for most jukeboxes. My NeoTV and Dune (using Zappity) have no problems aggregating movies from different locations into one jukebox. I never used other jukeboxes, however, as my prior players, besides Boxee, were AlTech Mediagates (file browsing only). The NeoTV and Zappity work similar to Boxee, where you build a list of file locations, and they are all scanned into one jukebox. Zappity takes it a step further, where you also specify which jukebox to scan into: the "Movies" jukebox or the "TV Shows" jukebox.

yeah unfortunately its something thats lacking with the major palyers right now. PCH does it if you have networked shares (they put the database on a network share and point all shares to the database) but unfortuantely they dont do it for locally attached media yet, although there is a "workaround"....I dont use NAS any tpe of media on my network, so the locally attached is a big deal to me...I ahve seen a few posts from people who want the same thing since they ahve a number of USB attached drives..
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

yeah unfortunately its something thats lacking with the major palyers right now. PCH does it if you have networked shares (they put the database on a network share and point all shares to the database) but unfortuantely they dont do it for locally attached media yet, although there is a "workaround"....I dont use NAS any tpe of media on my network, so the locally attached is a big deal to me...I ahve seen a few posts from people who want the same thing since they ahve a number of USB attached drives..

The database can be on the box too. I have the same database on both of my A400's and on a network share. So I typically use the database on the box. Although when i update the database on my PC I need to copy a new version to each location. But it works great with all my shared folders from both my unRAID boxes and my WHS. I certainly prefer using my tablets to browse my database and to initiate play. But the new Boxee+ with the carousel view looks very good when viewing from the Boxee Box. Much better than vieiwng content from my A400(which I rarely do since, as I mentioned, I prefer using my tablets)
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

The database can be on the box too. I have the same database on both of my A400's and on a network share. So I typically use the database on the box. Although when i update the database on my PC I need to copy a new version to each location. But it works great with all my shared folders from both my unRAID boxes and my WHS. I certainly prefer using my tablets to browse my database and to initiate play. But the new Boxee+ with the carousel view looks very good when viewing from the Boxee Box. Much better than vieiwng content from my A400(which I rarely do since, as I mentioned, I prefer using my tablets)

THanks for the clarification smile.gif yes for the "work around" the database can be on the box as well......I jsut wish it was as easy as Boxee Box to set it and forget it ;-) (at least in my case)....I am planning on getting a multi drive bay and not having all the media available in one jukebox is goign to make that a pain especially since I already ahve 3 other USB HDDs.....
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My boxee seems to have a mind of it's own....It now can't seem to access my hard drives, attached to my PC.....I did upgrade to win 8 (big mistake), but the drives are still set to share....when I browse on boxee nothing shows up...any suggestions? I've disabled norton, given access to the drives to boxee, can't figure it out-
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What's wrong with Win8? I upgraded several PCs to Windows 8. There was a period for me to become accustomed to it. But once I did, I realized I like it better than Windows 7.
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

If that was fixed it would be great, but I believe it is an issues with the SDK, and I don't believe Intel is going to do anything about it since they no longer support it. I really like the Boxee's UI though. Look better than my Dune D1 and PCH-A210.

Didn't Boxee's early versions of the firmware(like 1.1 or earlier) not have the dropout bug because it was doing software decoding? If so, I'm wondering if this could be reincorporated into the box with Boxee+. I'd settle for not seeing the "HD" light on my receiver if it meant no dropouts.

I've already replaced 2 Boxees because of the dropouts(one with a PCH A-210 and another with a WD TV Live SMP, which is on a 5.1 setup so the lack of DTS-MA is not a big concern).
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Originally Posted by Chuck_IV View Post

Didn't Boxee's early versions of the firmware(like 1.1 or earlier) not have the dropout bug because it was doing software decoding? If so, I'm wondering if this could be reincorporated into the box with Boxee+. I'd settle for not seeing the "HD" light on my receiver if it meant no dropouts.
I've already replaced 2 Boxees because of the dropouts(one with a PCH A-210 and another with a WD TV Live SMP, which is on a 5.1 setup so the lack of DTS-MA is not a big concern).

Then just use the legacy audio for playback. I don't get any dropouts from titles that have legacy audio. Only with the advanced audio codecs.
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Then just use the legacy audio for playback. I don't get any dropouts from titles that have legacy audio. Only with the advanced audio codecs.

Well, even tho I only have 5.1 speakers attached, my receiver can still handle the HD audio streams tho. So with the WD, I can still get TrueHD and then just get DTS Core for the DTS-MA titles.

I have 2 of my Boxees(I have a 3rd which is collecting dust) relegated to the bedrooms, where they perform fine because the sound comes outta the TV speakers :\ The PCH A-210 is feeding my 7.1 setup in my Den.
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Then just use the legacy audio for playback. I don't get any dropouts from titles that have legacy audio. Only with the advanced audio codecs.

You seem to assume that everyone is using ISO or has MKV files with multiple copies of the audio included. For quite a few folks (including myself), this is not the case... now that HD audio has such good support in so many devices (other than Boxee) we simply rip the HD audio track to MKV and assume the player will handle it.

Not to mention it is tedious and annoying to either manually select a "good" audio track that the Boxee can deal with properly... or set up a track order in the MKV file so that the lossless audio is not the default selection (and then if playing that file on an HTPC or box that supports HD audio you have the inverse problem of having to select the track manually).

The bottom line though is that this problem will never be fixed because it is Intel's issue and they have refused to remedy it.

Like others I have relegated my Boxees to low priority use, like in bedrooms, where the audio dropouts become a non issue. On a TV where performance matters I use HTPC with XBMC to get good playback and high speed scrubbing, etc.
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

What's wrong with Win8? I upgraded several PCs to Windows 8. There was a period for me to become accustomed to it. But once I did, I realized I like it better than Windows 7.

I can't really find any benefit from it, my usb 3.0 card stopped working, can't get my drives to show up on boxee anymoreI thought i'd get used to it but not sure it was worth it for me as I don't seem to use any new features
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Is there any known way to view HBOGo content on the Boxee Box, either with or without Boxee+?
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Nope. And there's little to no chance of Boxee+ somehow adding access to premium content that isn't there in the regular boxee firmware. In fact I'd say the chance of that is zero percent.
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Nope. And there's little to no chance of Boxee+ somehow adding access to premium content that isn't there in the regular boxee firmware. In fact I'd say the chance of that is zero percent.

I pay for HBO, and from what I understand there used to be an HBOGo app that went away. I was just hoping for a workaround.
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I pay for HBO, and from what I understand there used to be an HBOGo app that went away. I was just hoping for a workaround.

It was really just the webpage put into app form, not a true app.....
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