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post #1321 of 1655
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Originally Posted by wildeman View Post

Thanks Wags22, I had read that the NAD was musically superior. I looked at the Pioneer because of the supposed video processing of the NAD having some issues according to a few of the professional reviews. Its not really a concern because I will use the Panny BD for the processing and the receiver for sound and neither is HDMI 1.4 because its hard for me to see 3D due to being born crosseyed and limiting my depth perception to 50%, LOL!

Since the BD85 has multi channel analog out - you could try that to the 747 also.
post #1322 of 1655
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Originally Posted by wildeman View Post

Thanks Wags22, I had read that the NAD was musically superior. I looked at the Pioneer because of the supposed video processing of the NAD having some issues according to a few of the professional reviews. Its not really a concern because I will use the Panny BD for the processing and the receiver for sound and neither is HDMI 1.4 because its hard for me to see 3D due to being born crosseyed and limiting my depth perception to 50%, LOL!

Which reviews are you referring to? I am interested in taking a look at them since I really haven't noticed anything wrong with my unit's video. The video looks superb. Now, if you are referring to the 24\\50\\60 hz issues then, yes, I have heard of those. But, since I run my display at 60 hz and leave it there its a none issue for me.
post #1323 of 1655
The video is a non- issue for me, as I only use Blu-ray and leave it set at 1080p/24. Looks fantasic.
post #1324 of 1655
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Originally Posted by wildeman View Post

Hi all,

Pretty new to AVS but I get lots of information. I am looking for a new A/V receiver and have been looking with interest at the NAD T747. I've also been reading reviews of the Pioneer VSX-1021 which seems to be a "bang for the buck" unit. I am running a Panasonic TC-P50G25 plasma, Panasonic BD-85 bluray, Marantz 5004 CD, Rega Planar 1 for vinyl, and a Definitive Technology ProCinema 100 speaker system (4 Promonitor 100s, Procenter 100 and the Prosub 100) with two of the 10 inch subs. Upon DTs recommendation, I will probably upgrade the fronts to ProMonitor 1000s and use the 100 in the rear for 7.1. I'm looking to find out what would go good with this system and if anyone has a different recommendation in this price range (< $600). Thanks for any and all help.

The 1021 is not exactly what it appears. The current issue of Home Theater magazine tested it at 46 watts per channel (.1%) with 5-channels driven. That (in my opinion) doesn't speak very well about the power supply. It also does not have pre-outs so you will be pretty much stuck with that level of power.
post #1325 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Marty913 View Post


The 1021 is not exactly what it appears. The current issue of Home Theater magazine tested it at 46 watts per channel (.1%) with 5-channels driven. That (in my opinion) doesn't speak very well about the power supply. It also does not have pre-outs so you will be pretty much stuck with that level of power.

You would be shocked at the number of Receivers that have those kinds of numbers. The NAD puts out impressive power for it's rated power, which we all now know to be underrated.
post #1326 of 1655
The NAD T-747 does give at least its rated power, or more. But with my relatively inefficient (though amazing) Ohm Walsh 3's for front L+R, my calibrated levels at the "0" point (with +18db above it on the volume dial) comes out at THX Reference Level minus 12db.

That's actually quite loud in my home theater room; as loud as I might care to use for any content.
post #1327 of 1655
Thanks to everyone who has commented. It seems to be an overwhelming vote for the NAD. That was the direction I was leaning, to be honest. I did see the specs for the Pioneer and it drops to 44.5 wpc when driving 7 channels. Yes, come to think of it, the video problems I was referring to was the 24/50/60 Hz issue, so I don't believe there will be any problems. Most of my use will be with music and the NAD handly wins that department. Movies will be a weekend or out of town guests type thing, so I believe everything will be met with the NAD. Thanks again for everybodys' help in this decision.
post #1328 of 1655
I really liking mine so far. With my old eyes I connected my sub to the 78.1 sub input rather than the pre-amp sub output. After correcting this, all is well!

One question though: Why can't I make my Zone 2 play the same source as my mains?

I really like the independent Zone 2, but I want it to play the main zone as well. I may just have to double up the inputs, but that is crazy.
post #1329 of 1655
So Banana plugs work fine in my 250V version (oh, and my sub warns me to not sit on it )

Unfortunately I only have 2.1 set up at the moment. Need to draw speaker cables through my routing to set up the side, and just didn't have time to wire my center channel. Can't wait to get all 5.1 set up.

Still need to learn all the various listening modes, quite complex for a noob.

Very happy with it so far
post #1330 of 1655
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Originally Posted by wildeman View Post

Thanks to everyone who has commented. It seems to be an overwhelming vote for the NAD. That was the direction I was leaning, to be honest. I did see the specs for the Pioneer and it drops to 44.5 wpc when driving 7 channels. Yes, come to think of it, the video problems I was referring to was the 24/50/60 Hz issue, so I don't believe there will be any problems. Most of my use will be with music and the NAD handly wins that department. Movies will be a weekend or out of town guests type thing, so I believe everything will be met with the NAD. Thanks again for everybodys' help in this decision.

Yup, you sound like a perfect candidate for the NAD to me. I'm sure you'll love its simplicity and sound quality. Its an impressive receiver.
post #1331 of 1655
I have tried to calibrate the video with Digital Video Essentials HD Basics. I have confirmed that the processor in the NAD T-747 crushes the levels so that blacker-than-black and whiter-than-white cannot pass. This makes it more difficult to accurately set brightness and contrast, and may cause some content to have slightly lower image quality; however, with the trade-offs involved, I intend to keep the T-747 in the video loop for now.
post #1332 of 1655
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

I have tried to calibrate the video with Digital Video Essentials HD Basics. I have confirmed that the processor in the NAD T-747 crushes the levels so that blacker-than-black and whiter-than-white cannot pass. This makes it more difficult to accurately set brightness and contrast, and may cause some content to have slightly lower image quality; however, with the trade-offs involved, I intend to keep the T-747 in the video loop for now.

With the money you save on the T747, I would suggest getting the Oppo BDP-93 so you can have the best of both worlds. I will be doing that shortly.
post #1333 of 1655
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

I have tried to calibrate the video with Digital Video Essentials HD Basics. I have confirmed that the processor in the NAD T-747 crushes the levels so that blacker-than-black and whiter-than-white cannot pass. This makes it more difficult to accurately set brightness and contrast, and may cause some content to have slightly lower image quality; however, with the trade-offs involved, I intend to keep the T-747 in the video loop for now.

I have noticed some judder when watching BD's, sometimes when there is a scene change a second or so later I see a judder effect.

I have the NAD set at 1080p 24Hz. I'm considering a HDMI splitter and running the video straight to the monitor as I never had an issue before.

Wags
post #1334 of 1655
So, has anyone figured out a work around for the Zone 2 limitation?

I switched my cables to the 7.1 main output but the output level was not as loud as I hoped and switching cables back and forth is a royal pain.

The duplicate input for one worked, but I still don't like this.

My intent is to be able to drive speakers outside, my study, and my living room with Zone 2.

BTW, the sound is very similar to my Rotel and surely gets loud enough for my large room.

Dave
post #1335 of 1655
On the zone 2 issue, could I take the optical out and loop it to the front optical and then just use the front for zone 2?

or just use the preamp audio out and say connect it to audio 5, then use audio 5 as the zone 2 source. Kinda like an old tape or EQ loop.

I guess I will have to try this. It seems silly not to be able to select the same source in zone 2 as zone 1
post #1336 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Superdavetx View Post

On the zone 2 issue, could I take the optical out and loop it to the front optical and then just use the front for zone 2?

or just use the preamp audio out and say connect it to audio 5, then use audio 5 as the zone 2 source. Kinda like an old tape or EQ loop.

I guess I will have to try this. It seems silly not to be able to select the same source in zone 2 as zone 1

I'm afraid I don't have any answers for you, but I realized that you could probably call NAD and ask them.
post #1337 of 1655
I will call NAD soon, I hope. Overworked at the moment and no time.

But.. My thoughts were right. I connected the preamp out to audio 5, then labeled it as loop, and set Zone 2 to audio 5. This works. However, since it is a preamp out, then level of the volume must be 100% to get the equivalent volume inside. Make sense? ie. it won't go louder than inside.

So, this is close to a solution. Not the best, but workable. I will call NAD and ask them what the heck they were thinking.
post #1338 of 1655
I haven't tried it yet, but if you are using the old style composite connection at the front for say, an old camcorder, will it play on the t.v if you only have an hdmi connection to the t.v from the T747?
post #1339 of 1655
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Originally Posted by PSBMAN View Post

I haven't tried it yet, but if you are using the old style composite connection at the front for say, an old camcorder, will it play on the t.v if you only have an hdmi connection to the t.v from the T747?

Yup, the NAD's video processor will convert that to HDMI, clean up the signal a little bit and send it to the over HDMI. Its a painless process.
post #1340 of 1655
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Originally Posted by dekard View Post

Yup, the NAD's video processor will convert that to HDMI, clean up the signal a little bit and send it to the over HDMI. Its a painless process.

Thank you. I'm sure it was in the manual. I was just being lazy.
post #1341 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Wags22 View Post

I have noticed some judder when watching BD's, sometimes when there is a scene change a second or so later I see a judder effect.

I have the NAD set at 1080p 24Hz. I'm considering a HDMI splitter and running the video straight to the monitor as I never had an issue before.

Wags

Splitter is absolutely the way to go.

I love my NAD's sound, but the non-bypassable video processing is just hopeless, especially here in Australia with the current mix of 50Hz/60Hz/24Hz content. And for gaming? Fuggedaboudit. Appalling lag. Everything I own either upscales to 1080p itself for SD content or my TV does a better job than the Faroudja chip.

With an auto-selector before the splitter, you can select sources without even changing the amp source. It's nice.

Truth be told, I really am mildly peeved with the limitations of the HDMI section of the NAD (takes about 2 seconds to lock onto changed audio streams via HDMI so play an HD album in the middle of regular albums and it clips off the start) where my cheapo Sony HTiB did it immediately.

I really am considering a pre-power combo next.
post #1342 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Ladyfingers View Post

Splitter is absolutely the way to go.

I love my NAD's sound, but the non-bypassable video processing is just hopeless, especially here in Australia with the current mix of 50Hz/60Hz/24Hz content. And for gaming? Fuggedaboudit. Appalling lag. Everything I own either upscales to 1080p itself for SD content or my TV does a better job than the Faroudja chip.

With an auto-selector before the splitter, you can select sources without even changing the amp source. It's nice.

Truth be told, I really am mildly peeved with the limitations of the HDMI section of the NAD (takes about 2 seconds to lock onto changed audio streams via HDMI so play an HD album in the middle of regular albums and it clips off the start) where my cheapo Sony HTiB did it immediately.

I really am considering a pre-power combo next.

My thoughts EXACTLY, lucky this thing sounds good or I would take it back!
post #1343 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Ladyfingers View Post

Splitter is absolutely the way to go.



With an auto-selector before the splitter, you can select sources without even changing the amp source. It's nice.

Ladyfingers, did you get your splitter and auto-selector through ezyhd?

Its gunna end up costing a bit with all the extra cables required!

Just lucky I only paid $800 for the NAD, still a bargain I reckon........even with its limitations.

Wags
post #1344 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Wags22 View Post

Ladyfingers, did you get your splitter and auto-selector through ezyhd?

Its gunna end up costing a bit with all the extra cables required!

Just lucky I only paid $800 for the NAD, still a bargain I reckon........even with its limitations.

Wags


Yep, EzyHD. The splitter and the 5-1 auto selector. Well made and works perfectly. The auto selector switches to the last device to be powered on, but has a remote feature that can override if need be. I taught my Harmony one to override by default, and I've never had to select sources yet.

Save yourself a fortune and buy your HDMI cables from a bargain store. The cables are digital and make no difference at all unless they are genuinely faulty or you have very long runs, where the quality will not decrease so much as the cable will completely fail to transmit. For a small increase (10c) you can get the gold-plated ones and avoid corrosion) The EzyHD splitter and selector effectively act as powered repeaters, so if your run is long they even solve that issue.

If you order from Monoprice, even with their mad international shipping costs you can get 10 cables for the price of one at a local electronics retailer. Plus, you can get the new EU-mandated microUSB cables for your phone for $1 instead of the $20 gouge that's standard at the moment here.
post #1345 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Ladyfingers View Post

Yep, EzyHD. The splitter and the 5-1 auto selector. Well made and works perfectly. The auto selector switches to the last device to be powered on, but has a remote feature that can override if need be. I taught my Harmony one to override by default, and I've never had to select sources yet.

Save yourself a fortune and buy your HDMI cables from a bargain store. The cables are digital and make no difference at all unless they are genuinely faulty or you have very long runs, where the quality will not decrease so much as the cable will completely fail to transmit. For a small increase (10c) you can get the gold-plated ones and avoid corrosion) The EzyHD splitter and selector effectively act as powered repeaters, so if your run is long they even solve that issue.

If you order from Monoprice, even with their mad international shipping costs you can get 10 cables for the price of one at a local electronics retailer. Plus, you can get the new EU-mandated microUSB cables for your phone for $1 instead of the $20 gouge that's standard at the moment here.

Awsome, thanks for the heads up on the NAD "workaround"!

Appreciate it
Wags
post #1346 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Wags22 View Post

Awsome, thanks for the heads up on the NAD "workaround"!

Appreciate it
Wags

No problem!

You might want to buy a power strip while you're at it. Both devices have wall warts.
post #1347 of 1655
I talked to NAD this week about the Zone 2 issue I was having.

What I learned was: Zone 2 will play any source as long as it is analog. For digital inputs, any will play as long as it is NOT the Zone 1 source. I worked that issue with the preamp loop to another source.

Dave
post #1348 of 1655
Does anyone have any idea on how much power you save the receiver by adding a good sub? I've only enough money left for a used amp or an Oppo BDP-93. I'm leaning towards the Oppo. I've got an SVS PC12-Plus. Not sure an amp will make a difference.
post #1349 of 1655
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Originally Posted by PSBMAN View Post

Does anyone have any idea on how much power you save the receiver by adding a good sub? I've only enough money left for a used amp or an Oppo BDP-93. I'm leaning towards the Oppo. I've got an SVS PC12-Plus. Not sure an amp will make a difference.

The hardest to drive are the lower frequencies. I would assume that if you set all your speakers to small with 80hz crossover, the 747 should have no problems driving them. Also, do you really need 5.1 channel analog and sacd/DVD audio capabilities. If not, I have heard the panasonic bdt310 is mighty nice with two hdmi outs. The build quality is not as good but functionality wise as good if not better as per some people. It is also a lot cheaper especially if you can get some discounts through workplace agreements with panasonic.
post #1350 of 1655
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post


The hardest to drive are the lower frequencies. I would assume that if you set all your speakers to small with 80hz crossover, the 747 should have no problems driving them. Also, do you really need 5.1 channel analog and sacd/DVD audio capabilities. If not, I have heard the panasonic bdt310 is mighty nice with two hdmi outs. The build quality is not as good but functionality wise as good if not better as per some people. It is also a lot cheaper especially if you can get some discounts through workplace agreements with panasonic.

What video processor is in the Panny?
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