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post #1441 of 1655
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Originally Posted by guitaraficionado View Post

^^^

I would like to think you're right, do you have a source? Did Audioholics just make the component OSD limitation up?

The T 757 does not do any video processing beyond converting analog inputs to HDMI. No upscaling either:

You are right about the 757, I was referring to the MDC based 787, which most definitely does.

I did call up to NAD, and am confident the OSB appears on the HDMI Monitor out.

Who knows what those folks over at Audioholics did with that review? It was about as accurate as one of the six moons reviews. In other words, not very. At least in my opinion. YMMV. -Paul

-Paul
post #1442 of 1655
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Originally Posted by paul.raulerson View Post

You are right about the 757, I was referring to the MDC based 787, which most definitely does.

I did call up to NAD, and am confident the OSB appears on the HDMI Monitor out.

Who knows what those folks over at Audioholics did with that review? It was about as accurate as one of the six moons reviews. In other words, not very. At least in my opinion. YMMV. -Paul

-Paul

Thanks Paul for calling. I had a hard time believing that review...
post #1443 of 1655
Hi. I'm having problems setting up my zone 2. My house is open concept so I will never use zone 2 (kitchen, right next to family room) so I want to use 5.1 when I'm watching movies and then either 7.1 or zone 1 and zone 2 when I'm listening to iTunes through my apple TV. I tried using AV presets so that I have a preset that I only activate when listening to music, but my back speakers (kitchen) are on all the time for all sources. The I tried zone 2 figuring I'll just turn it off unless I'm listening to music, but again, they seem to be on all the time. Can anyone help me?
post #1444 of 1655
What am I doing wrong or, what settings am I missing?
I can watch BD movies OK (had to set my Sharp 820 series TV speakers to "variable" to eliminate echo in dialogue).
When I switch input on my TV back to TV, I get no sound from the HT speakers at all and have to go back to TV's speaker setting to change them to "Fixed" whereupon I get the sound from the TV.
I am using the HDMI input with ARC on my TV for the BD connection.
Can't find any info In NAD manual about that. Do I now need another cable to get the sound to my HT speakers (Optical or coaxial) when ARC should do it?
post #1445 of 1655
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Originally Posted by OtterMel View Post

What am I doing wrong or, what settings am I missing?
I can watch BD movies OK (had to set my Sharp 820 series TV speakers to "variable" to eliminate echo in dialogue).
When I switch input on my TV back to TV, I get no sound from the HT speakers at all and have to go back to TV's speaker setting to change them to "Fixed" whereupon I get the sound from the TV.
I am using the HDMI input with ARC on my TV for the BD connection.
Can't find any info In NAD manual about that. Do I now need another cable to get the sound to my HT speakers (Optical or coaxial) when ARC should do it?

First of all, the T747 has HDMI 1.3 not 1.4 - so no 3D pass through and no ARC. I hate my TV speakers for anything! So, I have them permanently turned off from the TV menu. For me everything goes through the T747.

I use an optical output from the TV to the receiver for TV. I use direct connection from the sources to the receiver for everything else. Quite simple really.
post #1446 of 1655
OK, Thanks,
I'll try it with a Toslink optical cable I have.
post #1447 of 1655
Connected the toslink cable but still no sound. Do I have to have the AVR on some source for TV. The manual is useless (see below!!!).

AVR Manuals:

Written in chinese, transliterated to Swahili, sent out on separate pages to Latvian kindergartners to copy (and translate into four different dialects of north-central India) and then re-written by dyslexic accolytes of rare cults that arose in the south pacific during WWII before being translated to English by yak herders in Siberia.
The yak herders must be certified mad and to have not said a single intelligible phrase in at least four years.
The AV receiver manuals are some sort of device of the intelligence services. If you manage to act on every instruction in the book correctly, the amp sends out a radio signal and the men in black come to your house to recruit you for a secret cryptography service.
post #1448 of 1655
I can see where this is confusing. If I understand correctly, you are wanting use the television to receive over the air content and bring the audio back to the T747. (This is the only situation where I can see the need for this, all your other sources are connected to the T747, right?)

In that case, yes, you need to setup another input/source, with no video and audio from whatever Optical port you are connected to, and use that in this one case.

Normally, your sources, such as a Bluray player, are connected, both audio and video, to the T747 so this isn't a problem. Same for cable boxes, Apple TVs, Roku, game machines, computers, etc.

-Paul
post #1449 of 1655
OK,
I'll try that tonight (setting up a Source named TV for just sound from Optical 1 or 2 input).
post #1450 of 1655
What do you guys think of the T747's ability to drive B&W CM8's or CM9's for music? I get some mixed responses from local store representatives. One says it should be a great combo, especially when I bi-amp my fronts. Others say it will be a dramatic difference with a sub $1000 stereo amp.
If the difference really is that dramatic, do you think pairing the T747 with a (used, 4 year old) C272 power amplifier will be a great combo?

Or should I just drop the comfort of a multichannel AV receiver and go for an integrated stereo amp?
post #1451 of 1655
I am having a heck of a time understanding how to control Listening Mode choices on my band new T747. The manual describes each setting in a dry manner ("To change Dolby Settings, go to the Dolby sub-menu...") and does a poor job of explaining how the features inter-act with one another.

How can I use the remote to select a desired mode? I think I understand the part about saving current menu readings as an AV Preset, which can be linked to link to a Source number. Even using the LM button on the receiver, the list of modes shown are inconsistent.

For instance, I went through the menus, configured, then saved one setup as AV Preset 1 (used by Source 1). Then all I changed was the Tone Controls a bit and immediately saved that as AV Preset 2 (linked to Source 2).

Yet with the same song playing I scrolled through the Listening Mode choice on Source 1 and chose EARS. When I went to Source 2, EARS was not even in the list of choices. It was a stereo song so why no EARS? Should I set all of the default modes for music types in the Listening Mode menu (Stereo, Surround..) to "None" to get the most choices when scrolling through the modes on a given source? Even still, the first mode shown on a given source seems to change and never sticks to my first choice.
post #1452 of 1655
Are you saving each change you make by pressing the "enter" button each time, otherwise your changes are not saved and that may be why you're not getting some settings in a particular menu?
post #1453 of 1655
Right, I get the relevant settings how I want, then go the last item in the AV presets, "Save current..." and press the right arrow to initiate.

I'll repeat that particular exercise to see if I can duplicate the result. Yet I still don't understand the more general issue: how a given source number determines the LM choices and selects the initial one used. That is what I am really after (without having to scroll the list using the receiver).

There were a few other posters on this forum with related questions, but I haven't seen any replies with the kind of wholistic explanation I am looking for. I will call NAD then report my findings.
post #1454 of 1655
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Originally Posted by CC Deville View Post

I am having a heck of a time understanding how to control Listening Mode choices on my band new T747. The manual describes each setting in a dry manner ("To change Dolby Settings, go to the Dolby sub-menu...") and does a poor job of explaining how the features inter-act with one another.

How can I use the remote to select a desired mode? I think I understand the part about saving current menu readings as an AV Preset, which can be linked to link to a Source number. Even using the LM button on the receiver, the list of modes shown are inconsistent.

For instance, I went through the menus, configured, then saved one setup as AV Preset 1 (used by Source 1). Then all I changed was the Tone Controls a bit and immediately saved that as AV Preset 2 (linked to Source 2).

Yet with the same song playing I scrolled through the Listening Mode choice on Source 1 and chose EARS. When I went to Source 2, EARS was not even in the list of choices. It was a stereo song so why no EARS? Should I set all of the default modes for music types in the Listening Mode menu (Stereo, Surround..) to "None" to get the most choices when scrolling through the modes on a given source? Even still, the first mode shown on a given source seems to change and never sticks to my first choice.

I can make neither hide nor hair of it myself.

All my source preset settings are more or less the same (pure, with appropriate speaker distances), except for TV which I've set to default to Pro-Logic II Movie when it receives 2.0 stereo. It doesn't seem to make any difference. It just plays it as 2.0.

If I manually change to PLII (no major fuss) then when I later switch to another source (my Squeezebox), the amp stays on PLII, which is precisely the sort of thing I thought the presets were there to avert.

I've checked everything over and over again, but I don't get it.
post #1455 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Ladyfingers View Post

I can make neither hide nor hair of it myself.

All my source preset settings are more or less the same (pure, with appropriate speaker distances), except for TV which I've set to default to Pro-Logic II Movie when it receives 2.0 stereo. It doesn't seem to make any difference. It just plays it as 2.0.

If I manually change to PLII (no major fuss) then when I later switch to another source (my Squeezebox), the amp stays on PLII, which is precisely the sort of thing I thought the presets were there to avert.

I've checked everything over and over again, but I don't get it.

It's not all that hard guys, but there is perhaps, a little trick to it.

First, go to a --> Preset <--- setup, say, Preset1, and change the name to whatever you want, say "Music". Save it.

Second, go to seteup and select a source, say your "Music" source. Setup the speakers, tone controls, formats, front panel, all the things you want.
--> Be sure to select your "Music" preset in the appropriate slot in the "source setup" screen.

--> Near the bottom of the source setup, there is an entry that says somethign like "Save Current Settings to Preset"

Select that, and voila - all your settings for this are now setup in a "Preset" linked to this source, called Music. Now suppose you want to have another source with the same settings?

When you setup the source, just select "Music" as the preset, but not *not* resave the settings. Each time you change to the source, you will get the "Music" settings.

Repeat for your Telelvision, BlueRay, etc. Usually you need only two or three presets, and can use them on multiple sources. For example, my Bluray player and my Apple TV both use a Preset called "Bluray", even though each source has a difference HDMI port assigned.

I also have a source that sucks in music from the Bluray player, and applies my "Music" preset to it.

Does that help a little, or did I just manage to confuse you more?

-Paul
post #1456 of 1655
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Originally Posted by paul.raulerson View Post

It's not all that hard guys, but there is perhaps, a little trick to it.

First, go to a --> Preset <--- setup, say, Preset1, and change the name to whatever you want, say "Music". Save it.

Second, go to seteup and select a source, say your "Music" source. Setup the speakers, tone controls, formats, front panel, all the things you want.
--> Be sure to select your "Music" preset in the appropriate slot in the "source setup" screen.

--> Near the bottom of the source setup, there is an entry that says somethign like "Save Current Settings to Preset"

Select that, and voila - all your settings for this are now setup in a "Preset" linked to this source, called Music. Now suppose you want to have another source with the same settings?

When you setup the source, just select "Music" as the preset, but not *not* resave the settings. Each time you change to the source, you will get the "Music" settings.

Repeat for your Telelvision, BlueRay, etc. Usually you need only two or three presets, and can use them on multiple sources. For example, my Bluray player and my Apple TV both use a Preset called "Bluray", even though each source has a difference HDMI port assigned.

I also have a source that sucks in music from the Bluray player, and applies my "Music" preset to it.

Does that help a little, or did I just manage to confuse you more?

-Paul

Yeah, look, I've done all that, multiple times, and I even switch off and check to see that each preset has the settings I specified still saved, and no matter which source I switch to, the presets do not change 2.0 to PLII, or PLII back to 2.0.

I mean, with the table view in source setup and so on, it's really not hard to see that I've got the presets assigned correctly, and the preset setup pages confirm what I've done, but they don't change the surround mode automatically for me.
post #1457 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Ladyfingers View Post

Yeah, look, I've done all that, multiple times, and I even switch off and check to see that each preset has the settings I specified still saved, and no matter which source I switch to, the presets do not change 2.0 to PLII, or PLII back to 2.0.

I mean, with the table view in source setup and so on, it's really not hard to see that I've got the presets assigned correctly, and the preset setup pages confirm what I've done, but they don't change the surround mode automatically for me.

Well yeah- what source format are you sending the machine? You have to have the listening setup correct.

Not to sound rude, but there is nothing at all wrong with the machine, and this is almost certainly user error. I understand your frustration, but the machine works quite well. Any why in heavens name would you want to listen to two channel music in PLII anyway
post #1458 of 1655
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Originally Posted by paul.raulerson View Post

Well yeah- what source format are you sending the machine? You have to have the listening setup correct.

Not to sound rude, but there is nothing at all wrong with the machine, and this is almost certainly user error. I understand your frustration, but the machine works quite well. Any why in heavens name would you want to listen to two channel music in PLII anyway

I don't, just the TV.
post #1459 of 1655
Yes Ladyfingers my machine does the same thing. After the preset auto-detects a format other than my default (for example, EARS for 2 channel), it occasionally "sticks" to that Listening Mode. Then I must either manually change the mode back on the receiver or reboot.

Paul R. I am not dissing the T 747 as a whole. This machine provided huge bang-for-the-buck for me at the closeout price. The feature set is great; it's just my opinion (and I create technical instruction for a living) the user interaction design could be better. And yes I consider the above issue a technical glitch and want to talk to NAD about it.
post #1460 of 1655
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Originally Posted by CC Deville View Post

Yes Ladyfingers my machine does the same thing. After the preset auto-detects a format other than my default (for example, EARS for 2 channel), it occasionally "sticks" to that Listening Mode. Then I must either manually change the mode back on the receiver or reboot.

Paul R. I am not dissing the T 747 as a whole. This machine provided huge bang-for-the-buck for me at the closeout price. The feature set is great; it's just my opinion (and I create technical instruction for a living) the user interaction design could be better. And yes I consider the above issue a technical glitch and want to talk to NAD about it.

(amusement) What would you expect the listening mode setting to do? It will stay on the same setting unless a different type of signal is detected, or unless you switch sources or manually change the mode.

Not sure how you qualify that as a bug though.

-Paul
post #1461 of 1655
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Originally Posted by paul.raulerson View Post

(amusement) What would you expect the listening mode setting to do? It will stay on the same setting unless a different type of signal is detected, or unless you switch sources or manually change the mode.

-Paul

Not sure where we are disconnecting....because the situation I am describing runs exactly opposite to your statement above.

Let me very specific. For AV Preset1/Source1, I have saved this configuration under the Listening Mode menu:

Dolby Digital
2 Channel - None
Surround - None
DTS - None

Other
Digital - EARS
Analog - None (I am not using Analog In jacks)


Most of the time, Source 1 does indeed detect and play stereo tracks in EARS. Then, when music is detected as Dolby Stereo or Surround, the mode reads either "Dolby Stereo", "Dolby Digital" or "Multi PCM". SWEET! That is exactly what I want.

BUT....sometimes after being in one of these modes, it DOES NOT go back to EARS when playing regular 2-Channel. So in your own words, the mode should stay on "unless a different type of signal is detected". Well it sometimes gets stuck on Dolby even after playing regular stereo music again. The issue is intermittent, but I have carefully observed it happening several times.
post #1462 of 1655
That may truly be a bug.

However, I think if you set Two-Channel to EARS, the problem will go away. Besides which, you would want two-channel Dolby broadcasts played in EARS anyway, wouldn't you?

-Paul
post #1463 of 1655
EARS is not one of the choices as a default for Dolby 2-Channel.

EARS is wonderful, perhaps the most impressive DSP treatment I have ever heard. But if the music was encoded with Dolby stereo, I think I prefer it left that way.

For the life of me, I don't understand why a feature important enough to have a dedicated button on the receiver itself (manually change Listening Mode) is not also on the remote control. That would end most of my hassle. As it is, every time the Mode does not auto-detect according to what I have in the settings, I either have to reboot or walk over to the machine and push the dang button.

Remember, this unit is new to me, so right now I am probably more sensitive to little nits in the design that you long time owners. My issue is not a showstopper; at this point I just want to learn exactly how it behaves and work around (perceived) glitches as best I can.
post #1464 of 1655
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Originally Posted by CC Deville View Post

EARS is not one of the choices as a default for Dolby 2-Channel.

EARS is wonderful, perhaps the most impressive DSP treatment I have ever heard. But if the music was encoded with Dolby stereo, I think I prefer it left that way.

For the life of me, I don't understand why a feature important enough to have a dedicated button on the receiver itself (manually change Listening Mode) is not also on the remote control. That would end most of my hassle. As it is, every time the Mode does not auto-detect according to what I have in the settings, I either have to reboot or walk over to the machine and push the dang button.

Remember, this unit is new to me, so right now I am probably more sensitive to little nits in the design that you long time owners. My issue is not a showstopper; at this point I just want to learn exactly how it behaves and work around (perceived) glitches as best I can.

Umm.. I don't have a picutre of the remote control, but there are two button between the SCAN and VOLUME buttons - two little buttons. The top button mutes, the bottom button changes the listening mode. Cycles through them actually.

When you press the button, if the listening mode does not display, let us know and we can tell you how to setup the temporary line. I'm not in front of the gear right now, so I am working from memory.

Oh, you have to be on the AMP setting of course.

-Paul
post #1465 of 1655
Thanks Paul, I didn't test that one. The button reads "Surr" so I didn't think of it as the same LM toggle as on the receiver. I still say the auto-detection is inconsistent, but being able to bully it back with the remote makes this issue a lot easier to deal with.
post #1466 of 1655
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Originally Posted by CC Deville View Post

Thanks Paul, I didn't test that one. The button reads "Surr" so I didn't think of it as the same LM toggle as on the receiver. I still say the auto-detection is inconsistent, but being able to bully it back with the remote makes this issue a lot easier to deal with.

Your welcome. If it's any consolation, I am looking at the front of the receiver right now and for the life of me, I don't see a button to change the surround/listening mode...

-Paul
post #1467 of 1655
I have the "Surround" button mapped to the front "page" of my Harmony One to defeat the issue, but it still irks me that the listening modes settings never seem to auto-change.
post #1468 of 1655
Hello everyone, I am very new to hooking a receiver to a tv to get sound and I need some help. I am not sure where to get it but since i just got a NAD T747 thought this would be a good place to start.

I hooked my xbox360 via hdmi to Hdmi source 1 and then hdmi out to my tv and then rca analogue audio out from to tv to the receiver and I am not sure how to get sound. Does anyone know how to help me or point me in the right direction. Thank you all for any input

tinker97
post #1469 of 1655
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Originally Posted by Tinker97 View Post

Hello everyone, I am very new to hooking a receiver to a tv to get sound and I need some help. I am not sure where to get it but since i just got a NAD T747 thought this would be a good place to start.

I hooked my xbox360 via hdmi to Hdmi source 1 and then hdmi out to my tv and then rca analogue audio out from to tv to the receiver and I am not sure how to get sound. Does anyone know how to help me or point me in the right direction. Thank you all for any input

tinker97

HDMI takes care of audio and video. So, Source 1 can be called XBox. Configure it with video as HDMI 1 and AUdio as HDMI 1. Then in your receiver go to source 1 (Xbox). In your TV, set the input to whichever HDMI input you have connected from the receiver. When you play anything on XBOx, you should see it on the TV and hear it through your speakers driven by the T747. Does your TV have an optical audio output? If so, connect an optical cable from the TV to the receiver. Let us call this source 2. This will have no Video but audio from optical 1 (e.g.). You can call this source "TV" in the receiver. You can use this for content tuned through the TV. For example, if you have an internal tuner or Netflix onboard your TV, that sound can come into the receiver through this. Optical is better because you can get 5.1 surround if your programming supports it.
post #1470 of 1655
Thank you, I got it working now, I really appreciate the help.

have a wonderful day

tinker97
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