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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hey guys ! Sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong section, but I'm a new user...

So I'll be going on vacation in 2 weeks and I'm planning on doing loads of movies with my new Sony WX5 camera, since it also shoots movies in 1080i50, besides taking great photos...

Does anyone know of a good free movie-editing software that supports AVCHD ? I don't wanna use Movie Maker...

Actually, I'm not really familiar with the AVCHD format...can I edit it as it is, or do I have to convert it to H.264 or other web/PC friendly formats ? Will converting deteriorate IQ ?

Thank you...
post #2 of 12
Thread Starter 
No one ? Is my question that difficult ?
post #3 of 12
What platform?

What camcorder?

What type of edits?

What technical background / ability?

I use ffmpeg plus a few other tools for the snazzy stuff. But there's lives and KDENLive for editing in Linux. But I don't know if you're running that OS. So how could I or anyone answer your question?

Might as well have asked what does this big red button do? Leaving us to wonder, are you big chief in the Oval Office? If so, answers could range from it orders chinese takeout, to don't under any circumstances....
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
I'm using Windows XP Pro, P4, 2.4 Ghz, 512 Mb...no camcorder, I said I have the WX5, a digital camera, that can record in 1080i !

I'm looking for simple editing stuff...stitching vids together, deleting parts of the vid, adding music, maybe some text.

Oh, I also don't find your sarcasm very amusing...not everybody's an expert in video !
post #5 of 12
I hardly qualify as an expert.

Can I ASSUME that you want all that in a pretty gui with drag and drop abilities? Here's an ideal, how about what ships with the camcorder that you're going to buy? At least for starters.

I use ffmpeg, but it's purely CLI driven. You have to (sort of) know what you're doing and the syntax of some rather complex commands. Pluses in that you don't have to wait half an hour for a gui to load up, some 8+ hours for it to preconvert your video before you edit, and all of the other woes of home publishing with a gui.

Super is supposedly a decent application for decoding AVCHD for free or at least cheap. Avisynth is a common mention for some tasks. Vegas or Final Cut if you want something commercial and pay. AVCHD is fairly recent tech, so the more current your editor is, the better. > 2006 at least. > 2008 if you want to remove most doubts.

It really depends on what you want for output. if you want bluray compliant video with a menu type driven bluray result, you're gonna pretty much have to, no other option, buy something. And probably run windows too (ick). If you just want to post something on youtube, ffmpeg is pretty good at basic conversions and trims. But not for the uninitiated per say. Which is where Lives, KDENLive, and VLC come into play, if you weren't on windows. iMovie or one of the ones that come with some versions of windows might also work for basic stuff. Not to imply work well.

Lots of options, but be prepared to invest a fair amount of time, becoming more of an expert than you ever cared to be with most of them. And then you can get into color grading, chroma keying, and all that other crazy stuff that makes your quad core seem like an 8088. (PC circa 1980's for you young pups.)
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Dayum, your post discouraged me completely...lol, I'd rather just leave the vid as it is then !
post #7 of 12
If you had Windows 7, you could give Windows Live Movie Maker at try (free). It supports AVCHD and would work for your needs. I personally like the GUI of Pinnacle Studio 14 (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSit...Studio+Family/). It's not perfect by any stretch, but it's got pretty nice features that are not too hard to use.

All that being said, both of those products will require much more power than what you currently have to have a decent AVCHD editing experience. A single core 2.4GHz with only 512MB of memory probably won't even be able to load Pinnacle Studio in memory, let alone import AVCHD files. I suspect that if you want to do some editing, you will have to upgrade that PC of yours. The good news is that even current PCs at $500 price point will run circles around your current one, being more than 3-4 times faster.
post #8 of 12
I have the WX5 and I have similar needs - I want to string the clips together to make a video, and I do not want any quality loss and I want to do this quickly.

There are two, relatively cheap but not free options:

Corel Video Pro X3 and Nero 10.

They are simple to use and, most importantly: you edit in avchd and there is no conversion - the strung together clips are not re-rendered (as long as you do not do things like alter the color etc.). You can reorder the clips, edit them by cutting and trimming. By the software not re-rendering you 1. lose no quality at all and 2. the final video takes very little time or processing power.

You really do need a better computer, but any modern Intel equipped laptop with Windows 7 will do (except those with Atom chips). A new Windows 7 $329 laptop with a celeron chip can play AVCHD videos effortlessly (eg, a Compaq), and with these programs can give you videos from your clips at the highest quality with little time or hasle.

The WX5 produces superb videos, the match of any consumer camcorder, and does really well in low light with its f2.4 lens.
post #9 of 12
You have to re-encode at least partially if you trim and edit. There is a GOP, group of pictures, and if your edit point does not start at one of those borders, re-encoding will take place. For at least that GOP. For iFrame stuff perhaps not since the GOP is effectively 1, but most other options it can be significantly higher. Not that there will be any aesthetic difference in a lot of cases. But it's not completely a bit for bit copy of the original. And it can be a big enough burp in the bitrate to throw at least a few stand alone players that support AVCHD in a tizzy.
post #10 of 12
"And it can be a big enough burp in the bitrate to throw at least a few stand alone players that support AVCHD in a tizzy."

What you say is technically correct about GOP, but is a third-order issue. And no, on a Windows 7 machine with a modern Intel chipset, Windows Media player has no problem whatsover playing edited AVCHD files that are not re-rendered (except maybe at edit points). I do this all of the time. I have tested scores of laptops and desktops using the edited files, based on visits to retail stores, and have experienced no tizzy results using free Windows Media player (Windows 7).
post #11 of 12
stand alone player

As in dedicated optical media machine. Minimum specs and cheapest to make. Sure a decent desktop isn't going to start dropping frames or go whacky on A/V sync because of it, if it's good enough to play it in the first place. But some of those dedicated players, let's just say they don't get great reviews. At least not yet. A big enough issue to be a problem with the initial avatar discs.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/enterta...king-for-many/
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

I have the WX5 and I have similar needs - I want to string the clips together to make a video, and I do not want any quality loss and I want to do this quickly.

There are two, relatively cheap but not free options:

Corel Video Pro X3 and Nero 10.

They are simple to use and, most importantly: you edit in avchd and there is no conversion - the strung together clips are not re-rendered (as long as you do not do things like alter the color etc.). You can reorder the clips, edit them by cutting and trimming. By the software not re-rendering you 1. lose no quality at all and 2. the final video takes very little time or processing power.

You really do need a better computer, but any modern Intel equipped laptop with Windows 7 will do (except those with Atom chips). A new Windows 7 $329 laptop with a celeron chip can play AVCHD videos effortlessly (eg, a Compaq), and with these programs can give you videos from your clips at the highest quality with little time or hasle.

The WX5 produces superb videos, the match of any consumer camcorder, and does really well in low light with its f2.4 lens.

I'm glad a WX5 user stepped in...

The problem is I don't have enough money right now to buy another machine...I live in Europe and electronics here cost double than in the US !

You guys are so lucky...some friends of mine travel to the US just to buy stuff like laptops and all kinds of devices !

Damn money problems...
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