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post #31 of 187
Let us know your thoughts. Mine is on delivery truck but I won't get to it for a week.
post #32 of 187
Does anyone have suggestions for getting my Harmony One to work with my new SLIMstage30? I had no problems getting the Vizio soundbar (which I returned) to work, but the SLIMstage is proving more difficult.

Edit: I just answered my own question. Select Soundmatters under amplifier and NOT Aperion under A/V receivers and it will work. There is no selection for soundbar so that was not an option.

I need to figure out what settings are best with the system, but the sound is already MUCH better than the TV speakers. I wouldn't say it is any better (so far) than the Vizio VHT510. I an no audiophile and don't really know what I am doing so I need to work with it a bit more before I come to any conclusions. If anyone has any suggestions on what settings are best for TV viewing, I am all ears!
post #33 of 187
rxcats, I am curious what you think of the subwoofer; worth it, or the bar alone is just fine?
post #34 of 187
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Originally Posted by MLM View Post
They [Soundmatters] currently list the 39" model at $899 and the 47.5" model at $1099 and are out of stock on each. Perhaps in the near future if a retailer discounts these substantially it could be a good deal.
Perhaps the best way to get a Slimstage is to order it from overseas. There is a German store in the internet that sells the Slimstage 30 for Eur229 or $300, the Slimstage 40 for Eur249 or $326 and the Slimstage 50 for Eur329 or $431. Similar prices for the 40 and 50 are found on the German Amazon pages. You can use Google Translate on the links below. German stores will typically respond to inquiries in English.

These prices include the German VAT, which a US buyer wouldn't have to pay and my experience with ordering other things from Europe is that the VAT often covers delivery, although these are relatively large items.

I don't understand why these are so expensive in the US whether from Soundmatters or from Aperion. Perhaps Hicks would care to comment.

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001...pf_rd_i=301128
http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_nos...e+50&x=21&y=15
post #35 of 187
Thread Starter 
^^^^MLM, that is an extremely interesting find on your part. If legitimate, it would certainly make the slimstage, whether 30, 40, or 50, a much more reasonable option, and dare I say an excellent value.
post #36 of 187
Great idea, except none of the shops ship to US. Anyone wants to try to get in touch with them directly?
post #37 of 187
Hey guys,

Good to see that this thread has been active and sorry once again that for the delay in my response, we've been really busy which is definitely a good thing. If anyone ever needs an answer quickly please don't hesitate to e-mail us at customerservice@aperionaudio.com or shoot me a PM.

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Originally Posted by MLM View Post

With the price reduction and the liberal return policy I went for the Soundstage with the woofer from Aperion. I hate to call a speaker that goes down to 35Hz a SUBwoofer. The plain old woofer on my stereo goes down to below 25Hz. My bias is towards reproduction of music. If it does that well, it will usually do everthing well IMO. I don't expect perfection in this application. I have a set up with a good stereo, in another room.

Anyway, the first thing I have to say is that this looks and feels like a very high quality unit. I hooked up the soundbar first without the woofer and was VERY pleased with what I heard. I played it for about 2 hours that way. It is, even without the woofer, a major improvement over the newer version of the Vizio soundbar (with its woofer) that I borrowed.

Then I added the woofer, for which Aperion doesn't, by the way, include a proper wire (mono 1/8 to RCA). So far I don't like the result of adding the woofer. I hear a lot (and I mean A LOT) of boom, a lot of one-note, and a lot of doubling. I have to turn it way down not to be distracted by what I hear. I'll have to fool around with it quite a bit, I think, to get something acceptable. But I wonder if there's something really wrong here.

Any suggestions?

Len

Sorry about the cord not being included, a 1/8" to left and right RCA cable should have been been in the SLIMstage box.

As for the sub's sound, if you've played with the phase switch already my other thought is that perhaps it's a placement issue. If the sub is in a corner or six inches or less from a wall that can certainly cause the reflections to sum and sound boomy.

If you want more help with the sub feel free to shoot us an e-mail or give us a call, thanks!

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Originally Posted by MLM View Post

Perhaps the best way to get a Slimstage is to order it from overseas. There is a German store in the internet that sells the Slimstage 30 for Eur229 or $300, the Slimstage 40 for Eur249 or $326 and the Slimstage 50 for Eur329 or $431. Similar prices for the 40 and 50 are found on the German Amazon pages. You can use Google Translate on the links below. German stores will typically respond to inquiries in English.

These prices include the German VAT, which a US buyer wouldn't have to pay and my experience with ordering other things from Europe is that the VAT often covers delivery, although these are relatively large items.

I don't understand why these are so expensive in the US whether from Soundmatters or from Aperion. Perhaps Hicks would care to comment.

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001...pf_rd_i=301128
http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_nos...e+50&x=21&y=15

No idea how they could sell them for that little, we would lose our shirts if we offered them at that price point.

I would be cautious if they say they will ship to the US.
post #38 of 187
Quote:
Originally Posted by MLM View Post

Perhaps the best way to get a Slimstage is to order it from overseas. There is a German store in the internet that sells the Slimstage 30 for Eur229 or $300, the Slimstage 40 for Eur249 or $326 and the Slimstage 50 for Eur329 or $431. Similar prices for the 40 and 50 are found on the German Amazon pages. You can use Google Translate on the links below. German stores will typically respond to inquiries in English.

These prices include the German VAT, which a US buyer wouldn't have to pay and my experience with ordering other things from Europe is that the VAT often covers delivery, although these are relatively large items.

I don't understand why these are so expensive in the US whether from Soundmatters or from Aperion. Perhaps Hicks would care to comment.

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...ndmatters.html
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001...pf_rd_i=301128
http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_nos...e+50&x=21&y=15

Wow! That is very interesting. I would love to have the SLIMstage 40 or 50 as I have a 50 inch plasma. If there is anyway to have it shipped to the USA and still remain at that price point, I am in! Usually I think of the prices in Europe being higher and not remarkably lower. I hate the thought of boxing up the SLIMstage 30 I have, but I got some practice reboxing with the Vizio VHT510 with the failing LED sound indicators. I am now wondering it I should have just kept the Vizio. It was only $319.99 (plus tax) at Costco. If it continued to work, sans LED indicators, it was still worth it.

I like the looks of the SLIMstage, but honestly I think the Vizio VHT510 I had sounded better. I am not sure if that has to do with the rear surrounds which the SLIMstage doesn't have or if perhaps the default settings on the Vizio are better. I will adjust the settings on the SLIMstage once I find some suggestions and see how that works.

Personally I think the subwoofer adds to the overall system, but whether it is worth the extra $$$ is subjective. I purchased a S/PDIF Adapter, 3.5mm MONO Plug to RCA Mono Jack (part id number 680) from m-o-n-o-p-r-i-c-e-.-c-o-m for $0.61 and connected it to a 6ft High-quality Coaxial Audio/Video RCA CL2 Rated Cable - RG6/U 75ohm (for S/PDIF, Digital Coax, Subwoofer & Composite Video) (part id number 2680) also from monoprice for $3.68 and used this to connect the subwoofer to the soundbar. The included cables with the SLIMstage will actually work just fine, but this enabled me to use a single coax cable rather than a double one; it just appears cleaner that way (no tape covering the red input/output side). I would have given links to the above, but I don't have enough posts to be allowed to do that.
post #39 of 187
I just translated one of the German sites listed above. The SLIMstage 50 is only $434.54 in US money given the current exchange rate and includes free shipping. I somehow doubt free shipping includes the USA, but if they are willing to ship here, it might still be worth it. After all, Soundmatters lists the SLIMstage 50 at $1099.00 on their US website. I wonder why there is such a HUGE disparity in price? It kind of makes me feel like I didn't get such a good deal. Thanks MLM for those links and info.
post #40 of 187
For both sites, it's the same seller, I think.

On the merchant's shipping page on amazon, I don't see USA being mentioned...
http://www.amazon.de/gp/help/seller/...N9JW2&isPopup=
post #41 of 187
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Originally Posted by reallychu View Post

For both sites, it's the same seller, I think.

On the merchant's shipping page on amazon, I don't see USA being mentioned...
http://www.amazon.de/gp/help/seller/...N9JW2&isPopup=

I just contacted the merchant via email asking if they ship to the USA. I also asked shipping cost/total for the SLIMstage 50.

I have a good friend who's mother lives in Germany. If shipping (on the "slow boat") is not too much, I may get her to order it for me and ship it here if they will not do it directly.
post #42 of 187
I would be interested in 40" model and I highly doubt that shipping will be more than $100 for overnight. I recently ordered a tent from South Korea which was heavier and bigger than a soundbar and UPS overnight shipping was $110.
post #43 of 187
"Sorry about the cord not being included, a 1/8" to left and right RCA cable should have been been in the SLIMstage box."

That cord was in the box and works. But the correct cord would be a mono, not a stereo, cord. By the way, why are all the cords white? Next to the black audio components and the black TV frames they stand out instead of being easily hidden.

"As for the sub's sound, if you've played with the phase switch already my other thought is that perhaps it's a placement issue. If the sub is in a corner or six inches or less from a wall that can certainly cause the reflections to sum and sound boomy."

Do you mean that this woofer is designed only to sound right if it is placed in the interior of the room? Who would use it that way? That does not seem consistent with its use with a soundbar, the point of which is to minimize its intrusiveness in the room. In any event, I pulled it out some and it didn't seem to help very much.

Len
post #44 of 187
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Originally Posted by MLM View Post

By the way, why are all the cords white? Next to the black audio components and the black TV frames they stand out instead of being easily hidden.

I was wondering exactly the same thing. I used my own black cables for everything except the power adapter for the sound bar.
post #45 of 187
http://www.hifigarage.de/DAHL%20AUDI...40-p-8785.html

This site is slighly more expensive €299, but you can select US for shipping and it shows €49 via DHL. Anyone feeling brave?

Edit: Nevermind about VAT. Also I am curious what type of plug does it use and if 110 volt will be ok.
post #46 of 187
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Originally Posted by klas View Post

http://www.hifigarage.de/DAHL%20AUDI...40-p-8785.html

This site is slighly more expensive €299, but you can select US for shipping and it shows €49 via DHL. Anyone feeling brave?

Edit: Nevermind about VAT. Also I am curious what type of plug does it use and if 110 volt will be ok.

I don't think VAT has to be paid on items exported. I know you can usually get reimbursed for VAT paid when leaving other countries (e.g. EU nations, Canada) if you have the receipts. The USA could impose an import duty. I know there is an $800 limit if bringing things back to the USA when traveling abroad, but I don't know the limit is if receiving things via post.

I am also wondering about the voltage difference as the EU is 220 and we are 110. It might just mean using a different converter than the SLIMstage comes with here. You will notice that the soundbar doesn't actually use 110; there is a transformer/converter that you plug into the soundbar that in turn plugs into the wall. I don't think that will be a deal-breaker.

I am waiting to hear back from the company listed on the German Amazon website. I would feel more comfortable buying through Amazon if possible. As soon as I hear something, I will post.
post #47 of 187
The converter that comes with the Soundstage in the US allows for 100-240 Volts 50 0r 60 Hz. These are sometimes referred to as universal input units. It outputs 36 Volts 3.3 Amps DC. If they send the same one you might just have to install a new plug or get a plug converter. Some electrical items in Europe are sold without a plug; people get their own. At worst you'd need a transformer if you couldn't find a similar converter.

I'd be more concerned with the warranty. But if you live on the East Coast it's not much further to send it to Europe, but probably slower and more $$.
post #48 of 187
Quote:
Originally Posted by MLM View Post

That cord was in the box and works. But the correct cord would be a mono, not a stereo, cord. By the way, why are all the cords white? Next to the black audio components and the black TV frames they stand out instead of being easily hidden.

"As for the sub's sound, if you've played with the phase switch already my other thought is that perhaps it's a placement issue. If the sub is in a corner or six inches or less from a wall that can certainly cause the reflections to sum and sound boomy."

Do you mean that this woofer is designed only to sound right if it is placed in the interior of the room? Who would use it that way? That does not seem consistent with its use with a soundbar, the point of which is to minimize its intrusiveness in the room. In any event, I pulled it out some and it didn't seem to help very much.

Len
There's nothing wrong with using a stereo connection to the sub, it has left/right inputs. While the sub output is a mono signal, if you use both the left and right inputs it will boost the signal to the sub. If you feel it's too loud you could try just using the single LFE connection and you will get about 3 dB less output with all other settings being equal. As for why the cords are white, that was they way they came to us from Soundmatters. Regardless of the color I did think it was a nice feature that every cord you need to hook up two sources and a sub to the soundbar is included.

I'm not suggesting that you place the sub smack in the middle of the room, but just pull it out six inches. Any sub will sound tighter if it isn't right up against a wall. The best way I know of to find the optimal sub placement is the "bass crawl" method. It sounds a little weird, but you place the sub where you normally sit and crawl around the room until you get to a place where the bass response is tight and defined. Then you place the sub at this position and since you have swapped places with the sub you should hear the same sound quality when you are back in your sitting position.

Hope that helps!
post #49 of 187
[quote=Hicks;19588975]There's nothing wrong with using a stereo connection to the sub, it has left/right inputs. While the sub output is a mono signal, if you use both the left and right inputs it will boost the signal to the sub. If you feel it's too loud you could try just using the single LFE connection and you will get about 3 dB less output with all other settings being equal.QUOTE]

I didn't realize that using the left and right imputs was an option. The set up guide that came with the SLIMstage30 says to connect only the white plug to the "mono" on the subwoofer. It advises using electrical tape over the red one to prevent shorting. There is no mention of connecting the right and left.

I agree that it is nice that the necessary cables are included. It is frustrating when you have to order cables to get the thing set up. I happen to have a bunch of cables at home anyway, but not everyone does.
post #50 of 187
i have a slimtage 40 (bought from elektrowelt 24). shipping to austria was 16 euro.
i bought it for my bedroom to improve the sound of the crappy speakers the samsung LED-TV is producing.
i already know soundmatters from their great foxl portable speaker. i thought their technology of squeezing out big sound out of small enclosures should also work with their slimstages.
to tell the truth i really like the slimstage 40. it needs a bit of EQ-tweaking to get the most out of it. but optimized i don't find the subwoofer really necessary.
the slimstage is able to kick out some serious bass even without subwoofer. it makes to objects standing at the same shelf fall down, or jump around.
later i will mount it at the wall, meanwhile i only had it standing and was wondering if it distorted until i realized that the DVDs standing nearby were dancing.

depending on the source there is more or less a convincing surround-effect. i rarely hear sounds from behind but the soundstage is very large with dolby digital or DTS encoded material. you can definitely hear sounds from the sides far beyond the speaker.
also music is quite convincing. treble is a bit muffled though. i adjusted it slightly with the EQ as well. we listened to a madonna-concert and even my wife who usually doesn't care about new gadgets mentioned that the speaker sounds pretty good. she likes it more than our hifi-stereo in the living room, as those speakers are pretty huge and not looking too decent.

i also tried attaching little powered speakers to the slimstage as rear-speakers. i had to crank up the rear-volume to the maximum to really hear something, but it depends on the source-material as well, Avatar had really convincing rear-effects, other movies i had tried were rather lacking anything from behind.

meanwhile i already decided to buy the 50" model for the living room as i don't want to have wires and additional speakers standing around.
unfortunately elektrowelt24 doesn't seem to be able to sell any 50" models anymore. they only have 40" in stock, but the 50" seems to have run out. i am still trying to find it somewhere else, as we have a 50" TV in our living room which is quite large, so the extra bass-drivers of the 50" slimstage model should be able to add the necessary punch.

so far i am very happy with the purchase of the 40" model as it only cost me 265 euro including shipping!
post #51 of 187
Oluv, thank you for your review. Can you please tell us what type of plug in your bar and if 110 volt is supported?
post #52 of 187
yes it accepts 110-220 volts. it is quite a huge power pack with 32 volts similar to those of big notebooks, you just need another 3-pole wire like that one, as it is deattachable:

or you just use a plug-adapter.

btw. the slimstage is a discontinued model, maybe therefore the prices are so low here in europe, they are trying to get rid of them.
the slimstage is not produced by soundmatters anymore. i had some email-chat with soundmatters-support and asked them why it was not that popular. they told me that it appeared just when the financial crysis started and at the same time the TV-sets got even slimer, so the slimstage was not that "slim" anymore. they don't seem to have had much success with it, despite it being a really great performer.
soundmatters is already devoloping a new model which should be 1 1/2" deep including the wall mounting. they will still be using their proprietary driver-technology as well as passive radiators to deliver a full-spectrum sound without the need of a subwoofer.

if you want wall-rattling sound you might indeed want to add a separate sub, but for our bedroom we are more than satisfied. the 10band EQ is quite versatile. i cranked up the lowest band (31hz) to the max, this enhances more of the deepest frequencies than the rough bass-adjustment. i found that bass turned up to +5 with the added EQ-adjustments makes the sound really deep and full without sounding boomy or flabby. bass response also seems to be very dependent on the positioning. i noticed that when in bed (near the rear wall) i have a perfectly deep bass, but standing in the center of the room the bass disappears (probably due to cancellation of phase-inverted waves-reflections). funnily bass is really dominant if listening from another room. it sounds as if having a huge setup and actually seeing that the sound is coming from a rather small bar makes one surprised.

i still haven't explored where the limits of the slimstage are. although i cranked it up quite loud (already too loud for pleasant listening) it still didn't distort even with my heavy EQ-adjustments. the maximum volume is 99, i already had it turned up to 70 and this was pretty loud, you could hear (and feel) it in the entire house (especially bass), really surprising for something without any subwoofer or large drivers. but soundmatters was always using passive radiators for extra-punch instead of usual bass-ports.

the built quality is very good. the enclosure is nearly completely out of metal, there is not much plastic around. it feels quite heavy and sturdy. this is not a "cheap" product, but really gives you the impression of high-grade quality. for the price i paid it was a real bargain! i wouldn't have paid the original 899$ though.

i really wonder how the 50" model sounds as it has an additional bass-woofer with 2 passive radiators, but as it seems now, i won't find any.
post #53 of 187
Great to know that wire is detachable and we could simply swap it with US plug
Thank you for the info!
post #54 of 187
Anyone in states ended up ordering 40 from elektrowelt 24?
post #55 of 187
I've placed an order for slimstage40 and put a note that I want to ship to US because their system defaults to pick up only for US address. In the mean time I received my slimstage30 and I am impressed!

I am no audiophile and I've owned only a handful of budget soundbars, but slimstage one tops them all in terms of sound performance. My last one was CT100 and currently have Pioneer which I will be returning shortly. In any case, I only played with it for couple of hours, but it was enough for me to realize this might be a keeper. Mainly for me there is a plenty of bass out of this system if you plan on going "subwooferless". It's not going to rattle your windows, but it could be just enough to annoy your neighbors if you live in a small condo or town home.
post #56 of 187
Thread Starter 
Oluv, you cranked it up to 70!? Now my set-up is different (slimstage 40, substage 100 subwooder, mainstage hd for rear channels), but I can't imagine going above 40. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
post #57 of 187
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Originally Posted by benjammin View Post

Oluv, you cranked it up to 70!? Now my set-up is different (slimstage 40, substage 100 subwooder, mainstage hd for rear channels), but I can't imagine going above 40. I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Where were you able to find slimstage 40?
post #58 of 187
I am with you, klas. Slimstage sounds amazing, fine to me without a subwoofer; it's a keeper. I wish Aperion sold the 40! Let us know how it goes with you ordering from elektrowelt24.

For me, volume is between 30 and 40; loud enough for me. I can't quite decide which sounds better, <2m or >2m.
post #59 of 187
i was not able to tell a difference between <2m and >2m i am about 2.5 or 3 meters away, so it is maybe to near.

sometimes i notice that when i change volume quickly or adjust settings by quick or continuous button presses the sound interrupts for a second. it is as if the processor was too slow or something. it didn't bother me so far, but i wanted to mention.
post #60 of 187
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by klas View Post

Where were you able to find slimstage 40?

I had a mainstage HD out of warranty with some issues, so I contacted soundmatters, and they made me a good deal on the 40. I've been very happy with it.
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