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Pioneer CLD-R7G

post #1 of 31
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Any thoughts on this player? Considering it as my entry into the LD world.
post #2 of 31
One of the most desirable models. I've never used it but I believe it shares a similar comb filter to one of the sought after Muse players, but other than this it is similar to the best U.S. players. Others here will know more about it than me.
post #3 of 31
I have seen these and worked on then, from the quality I'd call it the entry line for Japanese market with the LD-S9 being the higher end unit. This would be more like a juiced up CLD-D604 or CLD-59. It does have the more advanced 3D filter like the S9.
post #4 of 31
The R7G is not a "juiced up" 604 or the like. You do seem to have knowledge of the unit so I don't know why you are perpetuating that myth. Is it because when opening it the servo board is positioned similar to a 604? The parts on the board in a R7G are modified beyond a 604. Putting the 3d filter aside, the unit delivers a picture equal to if not beter than the S9 (factoring in the monitor). The picure is actually amazing on later issued titles. It falls short of being of X9 quality because it doesn't have a red laser to increase tracking. They didn't pull too many punches with this unit in 1998. Good stuff.

If your into LD, be smart, look into an R7G.
post #5 of 31
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Originally Posted by FrozenFilm2000 View Post

The R7G is not a "juiced up" 604 or the like. You do seem to have knowledge of the unit so I don't know why you are perpetuating that myth. Is it because when opening it the servo board is positioned similar to a 604? The parts on the board in a R7G are modified beyond a 604. Putting the 3d filter aside, the unit delivers a picture equal to if not beter than the S9 (factoring in the monitor). The picure is actually amazing on later issued titles. It falls short of being of X9 quality because it doesn't have a red laser to increase tracking. They didn't pull too many punches with this unit in 1998. Good stuff.

If your into LD, be smart, look into an R7G.

The ONLY thing you are correct about is having the right to an opinion which lacks credence just like you do going against a laserdisc player guru which you can ONLY dream about
Regroup, DUH?
post #6 of 31
I normally wouldn't question anything Kurtis writes about LaserDisc, but this thread got me curious about the R7G. I found a few really old forum posts (from here and tomshardware) where people talk about the R7G as if it were above the CLD-99, instead of just being a CLD-6XX based model. In fact, ten years ago Kurtis wrote that the R7G beat the DVL-91, CLD-604 and, most interestingly, CLD-99 in terms of sharpness and background noise. So I'm sort of confused now. I have a CLD-D703, which is supposed to have the same composite PQ as the CLD-99. Should I look for a CLD-R7G? (sorry if I'm taking the thread off track)
post #7 of 31
Well, I don't know much, but it's sure good lookin'!



http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/la...er_cld-r7g.htm


I believe this is still for sale in Japan. I saw one sell on ebay last week for around $250. I can't speak as to quality.


http://www.amazon.co.jp/パ&#12...8175531&sr=8-1
post #8 of 31
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Originally Posted by EJ View Post

Well, I don't know much, but it's sure good lookin'!



http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/la...er_cld-r7g.htm


I believe this is still for sale in Japan. I saw one sell on ebay last week for around $250. I can't speak as to quality.


http://www.amazon.co.jp/パ&#12...8175531&sr=8-1

Smooth operator(!)?
post #9 of 31
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Smooth operator(!)?

I don't understand. Was that directed at me for some reason?
post #10 of 31
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The ONLY thing you are correct about is having the right to an opinion which lacks credence just like you do going against a laserdisc player guru which you can ONLY dream about
Regroup, DUH?

Being a slave to a "laserdisc player guru" is a problem you will have to contend with but it doesn't address the facts. You fall into the category of one who resorts to innuendo and name calling when you are unable to defend your position.
post #11 of 31
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Being a slave to a "laserdisc player guru" is a problem you will have to contend with but it doesn't address the facts. You fall into the category of one who resorts to innuendo and name calling when you are unable to defend your position.

woah, let's settle down there, buddy
post #12 of 31
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Originally Posted by naiaru View Post

ten years ago Kurtis wrote that the R7G beat the DVL-91, CLD-604 and, most interestingly, CLD-99 in terms of sharpness and background noise[/url]. So I'm sort of confused now. I have a CLD-D703, which is supposed to have the same composite PQ as the CLD-99. Should I look for a CLD-R7G? (sorry if I'm taking the thread off track)

There has been a lot of misinformation about the R7G over years. Some of it honest mistakes and some of just pure ignorance about the unit. Because the innards of the R7G resemble the positioning of the 604, the R7G is often equated with it. Yes, you can still say the main board of the 604 is the basis for the R7G but that DOES NOT make it one.

The R7Gs hardware is greatly improved over the 604 and many other units. 1998 was the year of release for the R7G and laserdisc player design was at it's apex. All parts were modified on this unit and many were carried over from it's predecessors, the S9 and X9. This is why the R7G even without it's 3d comb filter through S video delivers an extraordinary picture.

The R7G was only sold in Japan. It did not sell for high bucks (yen) without cause. The best NEC adaptive filter was part of the pricing, true, The makers weren't going to put that bad boy into a standard 604. . If you wanted to go cheap you could purchase a Japanese R5G which was greatly inferior.

Low US critiquing and the waning days of laserdisc all play into some mysteries about the R7G. It is a high end component. Do a search of comparisons of the R7G to the 97, 99, and even Runco to see some real hands on facts.
post #13 of 31
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woah, let's settle down there, buddy

It appears your applying the "settle down' comment to the wrong individual. Scroll back.
post #14 of 31
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Being a slave to a "laserdisc player guru" is a problem you will have to contend with but it doesn't address the facts. You fall into the category of one who resorts to innuendo and name calling when you are unable to defend your position.

woah, let's settle down there, buddy

It appears your applying the "settle down' comment to the wrong individual. Scroll back.

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Being a slave to a "laserdisc player guru"

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It appears your applying the "settle down' comment to the wrong individual.

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You are a slave

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No, I am very calm.

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post #15 of 31
Lots of confusion here.
post #16 of 31
There is no real counter in the US for the R7G. My disappointment is that it uses the single power supply design where the X0, X9, CLD-95, CLD-97, LD-S9 all have separate power supplies for Video and Digital Audio. The R7G could be a lot more. I thought the picture had too much processing to make the sharp picture but then I prefer the CLD-97 which is not as sharp but has a much smoother looking analog picture.

If you like the sharp dynamic picture then you can give it a try as this may make you happy. I've had the X9 and sold it as I was happier with my 97 but that is my preference.

Now I DO object about you stating I'm name calling, I have never done that and if you ask around I am one of the biggest pushers of the idea that everyone has different opinions. Please show me anywhere that I called you a name or used innuendos. The only thing we don't agree on is manufacturer published specs and that seeing part layouts can tell you the effort in laying out the best performing player. I have taken electronics and upgraded parts to better quality only to find that there is a limit to what you can achieve do to the crosstalk/noise in the layout of the PWB. I then bought a product with the layout done with low crosstalk/noise as possible and uses the same quality parts and it will sounded much better.

The R7G is not a Holy Grail but it is some people preferences. I prefer the CLD-97 for a dual sided player and the LD-S2 or HLD-X0 for a single sided player. If you really want to see an eye opening unit buy a HLD-X0.
post #17 of 31
I can watch out for a R7G and try it again, that is fine as the one I worked on was years ago. If it is better than I remembered I will be glad to post that but I will be testing it against other players, all with all DNR functions OFF as I want to see the pure design quality.
post #18 of 31
Kurtis-
I'm not sure if we have corresponded before and there seems to be some confusion. I responded to an older thread response of yours regarding the R7G. As you can see I disagreed with some of your statements about this unit. Nothing harsh, no name calling. I just feel that continuing to equate the R7G to a 604 does it an injustice. Yes you can say the main board is based on the 604 but the improved hardware and modified parts simply do not make it a 604.

It was an old post, and possibly views have changed. I should have considered that. All that aside, after making my point known I was sarcastically attacked by a member whos name starts with a Z. I don't need to be told not to go "against" you, as if facts don't matter by this member. Also inferring that I could only "dream" to be like you, by him, is odd and infantile. That's as close to name calling and insulting as one can get.

This member demonstrated such poor judgement to the point that he apparently feels he must be obedient only to the "laserdisc player gurus" which he calls you. I can't think of any other word but slave to fit that.
All this is unnecessary and a shame. I appreciate your depth of knowledge but should feel free to disagree.
post #19 of 31
Here's my question: Does this player suffer the CLV white smearing artifact?
post #20 of 31
I served this country. I earned my stripes/rank as I performed and gained experience. Mr. Bahr earned my respect as well as his guru rank. His knowledge as well as his repair work done for fellow members honors his laserdisc guru rank. According to a certain member that is slave and infantile. He says tomato I say tohmatoh... Anybody here can read the specifications of any XYZ model and argue a respectable case: HOORAY! By the same token any member that made such an eloquent presentation does NOT wear the guru stripes in my book>thank you very much.
post #21 of 31
I served as well (Navy -radio man) but that's irrelevant to an electronics thread about the R7G. You have some nerve trying to defend YOUR comments to me such as, "I can only dream" of being like another member or telling me "duh regroup". You know nothing of me and my experience. You get respect my acting respectful. What a convoluted attempted at trying to clean up your disrespect towards me.

I will continue to be a dedicated laserdisc fan who can chime in whenever I want without your nonsense. Get off the "earn it" trip. I've been opening ld players since their inception! I'm not looking to wear any "guru stripes". Talk about twisted.
post #22 of 31
I don't mind others mentioning their favorites, that is fine. My expertise is in repairing players. Through this I have scene just about every player and I can compare them to the parameters I like. So I also just express what I like and never claim my preferences are absolutes. I have no problem with others having different preferences.
post #23 of 31
I get it. Your not going to go against the guy who elevates you. I've seen members say a lot worse than what was said to me on this forum. But on principle, the bottom line is that disagreeing comments shouldn't be followed by PERSONAL attacks on an individual. That's what was done to me only because the member couldn't except that I could have a different opinion than a long time member such as yourself. Read the thread! I won't put up with it just because I am new to this particular forum.
post #24 of 31
You do NOT get it sailor! I did NOT elevate him. His laserdisc player repair work/knowledge done for other fellow forum members did the [ELEVATION]>respect>guru. Does that sound like my elevation? Can you [accept] that? Make that an [exception] to your personal rules. I am man enough to [accept] and respect a different opinion. If anybody here would have repaired laserdisc player after laserdisc player and shared his or her knowledge those actions alone and only alone would [elevate] that person to a guru status. What is so hard to understand about that?
Thank you
post #25 of 31
This pissing contest between you two is starting to wear thin.

TLK
post #26 of 31
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This pissing contest between you two is starting to wear thin.

TLK

TLK I am a senior member just like you are. Secondly I know a little about laserdisc player/LD's. Whether you like it or NOT it is laserdisc related NOT an urinating contest, OK? In the past you and some other members have posted off topic stuff and jokes. So ALL of a sudden you come with this choir boy rant. Do I sense a double standard here? READ my last post. Count how many times I typed laserdisc player/repair>THANK YOU.
post #27 of 31
This bickering is what I have come to dislike about most forums, but for the most part, has remained refreshingly absent from this one.

Could you confine your back and forth to private messages?
post #28 of 31
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This pissing contest between you two is starting to wear thin.

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This bickering is what I have come to dislike about most forums, but for the most part, has remained refreshingly absent from this one.

Could you confine your back and forth to private messages?

Agreed. There's a difference between off-topic discussion and personal bickering like this. It's cluttering this thread. Either cut it out, or take it elsewhere, please.
post #29 of 31
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Agreed. There's a difference between off-topic discussion and personal bickering like this. It's cluttering this thread. Either cut it out, or take it elsewhere, please.

You know it's time to move on when a new member (me) can't even state a differing viewpoint about an ld player without a "senior" member continuing to rant on about his obedience to certain "guru". Immediately attacking new members with sarcastic loyalty and insults does not advance this forum.

I had much to contribute and will do so in a more welcome environment.
Much information will continue to be gained from Josh, Kurtis and others. I am far from defeated, just disgusted. Peace.
post #30 of 31
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You know it's time to move on when a new member (me) can't even state a differing viewpoint about an ld player without a "senior" member continuing to rant on about his obedience to certain "guru". Immediately attacking new members with sarcastic loyalty and insults does not advance this forum.

The problem wasn't your differing viewpoint. You called Kurtis a liar (he was "perpetuating that myth") and then in response to Zenyatto saying your opinion "lacks credence", you called him Kurtis' slave.
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