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post #331 of 450
That is by design so it cycles through the patterns...not a glitch. You do hvae to pause if you want to stay on one color.

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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I noticed one glitch on the purity test. When displaying red, blue, green, black, and white full fields, it automatically skips from blue to green after blue is on the screen for about 2 seconds or so. It does this every time, forcing the user to pause it on blue before it skips to green. I am using the slim PS3 as my BD player and have the latest firmware on it.
post #332 of 450
You will note that the edges of the black stars are slightly different on the WOW Brightness pattern. That is by design and that is the part that should be barely visible. The center of the black star disappears.



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I have a question about the advanced brightness pattern. What does it mean that ideal black should be on the verge of being visible? Does it mean I should see something faint there or that if I was to bump up brightness one click, it would be visible. Using the brightness setting I get from the AVS disc, I see +1% but nothing at +0%.
post #333 of 450
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Very faint and barley visible at all...you almost have to squint to see it there. If you can see it visible, go one click down until it is barely visible. If it is totally gone, go one click up until it is barely visible.

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You will note that the edges of the black stars are slightly different on the WOW Brightness pattern. That is by design and that is the part that should be barely visible. The center of the black star disappears.

If I do what you say then I end up with a brightness setting one click higher than that of the Black Clipping Pattern on the AVS disc (53 instead of 52). This means digital 17 will flash brightly against the background and digital 16 will flash faintly upon close inspection. Currently, 17 flashes faintly against the background and 18 flashes brightly against the background. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the Black Clipping Pattern on AVS might be more precise since it shows digital values in 1-pt increments.

Perhaps this means the optimal setting is between 52 and 53 (essentially 52.5) but since no such midpoint setting exists, I have to choose whichever is closest. 53 is too bright on the AVS pattern and 52 is slightly too dark on the WOW Pattern. I think 52 is closer than 53 based on how brightly digital 17 flashes with 53.
post #334 of 450
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That is by design so it cycles through the patterns...not a glitch. You do hvae to pause if you want to stay on one color.

It only does this for blue, however. It stops automatically on the others.
post #335 of 450
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If I do what you say then I end up with a brightness setting one click higher than that of the Black Clipping Pattern on the AVS disc (53 instead of 52). This means digital 17 will flash brightly against the background and digital 16 will flash faintly upon close inspection. Currently, 17 flashes faintly against the background and 18 flashes brightly against the background. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the Black Clipping Pattern on AVS might be more precise since it shows digital values in 1-pt increments.

Perhaps this means the optimal setting is between 52 and 53 (essentially 52.5) but since no such midpoint setting exists, I have to choose whichever is closest. 53 is too bright on the AVS pattern and 52 is slightly too dark on the WOW Pattern. I think 52 is closer than 53 based on how brightly digital 17 flashes with 53.

Hello, 16 should not be visible at all, be invisible look like the background which is at level 16. Here a few notes that I got by talking with Doug Blackburn.
17 should be just barely visible. Meaning if you set brightness 1 click lower, everything from 0-17 will look the same. And if you set Brightness 1 click higher, 16 may appear brighter then 0-15 or 17 will get too obvious.
post #336 of 450
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Hello, 16 should not be visible at all, be invisible look like the background which is at level 16. Here a few notes that I got by talking with Doug Blackburn.
17 should be just barely visible. Meaning if you set brightness 1 click lower, everything from 0-17 will look the same. And if you set Brightness 1 click higher, 16 may appear brighter then 0-15 or 17 will get too obvious.

Yes, this is what I get with a brightness setting of 52 on the black clipping pattern. But apparently, WOW suggests a setting of one click higher since the +0% step must correspond to digital 16.
post #337 of 450
You have to remember that each disk gives you a different set of instructions for setting the black level but in the end they should be fairly close to where the black level should be. I use AVS 709. 16 invisible 17 barely visible. There was a disussion on this a while back, where the black level setting for DVE and AVS don't match up. DVE treats 20 as the first level of black visible. From what I read WOW is correct with accuracy to the patterns with ISF and calibrators vowching for it .
post #338 of 450
i have a question regarding advanced brightness test.
on Sony 55HX929 when set to 50, black screen looks truly black. but once i go above 52 it becomes noticeably less black

Disney Wow calibration says it should be 55 with dark room, 60 in bright room,

does this mean i should sacrifice the ink black of 55HX929 to have a better brightness ?
post #339 of 450
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

i have a question regarding advanced brightness test.
on Sony 55HX929 when set to 50, black screen looks truly black. but once i go above 52 it becomes noticeably less black

Disney Wow calibration says it should be 55 with dark room, 60 in bright room,

does this mean i should sacrifice the ink black of 55HX929 to have a better brightness ?

you should set brightness to the lowest setting that doesn't clip any visible information in the video signal (digital 17 and up)
post #340 of 450
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You have to remember that each disk gives you a different set of instructions for setting the black level but in the end they should be fairly close to where the black level should be. I use AVS 709. 16 invisible 17 barely visible. There was a disussion on this a while back, where the black level setting for DVE and AVS don't match up. DVE treats 20 as the first level of black visible. From what I read WOW is correct with accuracy to the patterns with ISF and calibrators vowching for it .

Since the difference between the Advanced Brightness Pattern on Disney WOW and the Black Clipping Pattern on AVSHD709 is just one click (53 vs. 52, respectively), I'd say the two are very close. The difference is in the instructions, not the pattern as far as I can tell.

Disney WOW wants you to show digital 16 just barely flashing while AVSHD709 wants you to show digital 17 just barely flashing. I'm going with the lower setting since the higher one makes digital 17 flash far too brightly against the background AND shows digital 16 just barely flashing.
post #341 of 450
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you should set brightness to the lowest setting that doesn't clip any visible information in the video signal (digital 17 and up)

thanks for for your answers, but what do you mean by clipping and video signal?
post #342 of 450
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

i have a question regarding advanced brightness test.
on Sony 55HX929 when set to 50, black screen looks truly black. but once i go above 52 it becomes noticeably less black

Disney Wow calibration says it should be 55 with dark room, 60 in bright room,

does this mean i should sacrifice the ink black of 55HX929 to have a better brightness ?

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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

thanks for for your answers, but what do you mean by clipping and video signal?

In other words, use the setting Disney WOW recommends for the viewing environment you typically watch TV in. 55 or 60 depending on ambient light
post #343 of 450
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In other words, use the setting Disney WOW recommends for the viewing environment you typically watch TV in. 55 or 60 depending on ambient light

just found out about this disk, and i had a question.
i noticed that there are 2 versions, one version that has 1 disk, and the other version comes with 2 disk. what are the main differences, and are both disk needed?
post #344 of 450
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just found out about this disk, and i had a question.
i noticed that there are 2 versions, one version that has 1 disk, and the other version comes with 2 disk. what are the main differences, and are both disk needed?

second disk is some of the worst crap you would ever want to watch.. endless loops of flower and new-age music. single disk is the one to buy
post #345 of 450
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second disk is some of the worst crap you would ever want to watch.. endless loops of flower and new-age music. single disk is the one to buy

thank you sir! just picked up the 1 disk version for $18.
post #346 of 450
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second disk is some of the worst crap you would ever want to watch.. endless loops of flower and new-age music. single disk is the one to buy

I unfortunately found out about this the hard way. I can't get a full refund from Amazon though (only 50%), so I'll be keeping my 2-disc version.
post #347 of 450
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I unfortunately found out about this the hard way. I can't get a full refund from Amazon though (only 50%), so I'll be keeping my 2-disc version.

I also have disk 2. Enough to cure anyone of a passion for AV
post #348 of 450
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I also have disk 2. Enough to cure anyone of a passion for AV

I have yet to recover sufficiently to start evaluating the calibration disk..
post #349 of 450
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I have yet to recover sufficiently to start evaluating the calibration disk..

I forced myself to watch it all. I blame myself... I feel dirty...
post #350 of 450
Is the first disc of the 2 disc set the same as the 1 disc version
post #351 of 450
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Is the first disc of the 2 disc set the same as the 1 disc version

it's the same calibration disc, info confirmed by Richard "R&B Films" himself
post #352 of 450
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I forced myself to watch it all. I blame myself... I feel dirty...

lol

I watched about 15 mins of it and then just kept pressing the scene skip button until it ended.
post #353 of 450
I'm from the Netherlands and a couple of months ago I bought the WOW Blu-ray.
Last week my new tv has arrived (Sharp 46LE830E) and want to use the Disney WOW disc but unfortunately my little child has demolished the blue filter

Is there a way to order only the blue filter or can I use another blue filter?
For what I know from this thread the blue filter is a special one.

Can somebody please help me or give me some tips?
post #354 of 450
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Originally Posted by fokker01 View Post

I'm from the Netherlands and a couple of months ago I bought the WOW Blu-ray.
Last week my new tv has arrived (Sharp 46LE830E) and want to use the Disney WOW disc but unfortunately my little child has demolished the blue filter

Is there a way to order only the blue filter or can I use another blue filter?
For what I know from this thread the blue filter is a special one.

Can somebody please help me or give me some tips?

Use the disk and skip the color tint part, with a new set those setting should not need to be adjusted from there default location. The set may even have the built in filter that are more accurate than that plastic filter for your set.
The built in blue filter turns off red and green so the adjustment can be done as if would looking though a blue filter. Down load the TVs user manual and see if it is listed in the advance menu options.
post #355 of 450
No my set hasn't the blue screen option And I can confirm that it is really needed to adjust my colors.
post #356 of 450
Please send me a PM with your address. I will send you a blue filter. HDTV Panels are never 100% accurate out of the box and require some tweaking of color & tint, as well as brightness, contrast and sharpness. Check your aspect aspect ratio and dot for dot settings as well.

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Originally Posted by fokker01 View Post

I'm from the Netherlands and a couple of months ago I bought the WOW Blu-ray.
Last week my new tv has arrived (Sharp 46LE830E) and want to use the Disney WOW disc but unfortunately my little child has demolished the blue filter

Is there a way to order only the blue filter or can I use another blue filter?
For what I know from this thread the blue filter is a special one.

Can somebody please help me or give me some tips?
post #357 of 450
@ RBFilms: You have a PM.

Yesterday I have played a little with the WOW disc for brightness and contrast and it seems that I have a much brighter picture now but with better blacks

I have done this with the brightness and contrast setting of the tv but what about the backlight setting? Should I leave this in the middle at 0 or max?


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Please send me a PM with your address. I will send you a blue filter. HDTV Panels are never 100% accurate out of the box and require some tweaking of color & tint, as well as brightness, contrast and sharpness. Check your aspect aspect ratio and dot for dot settings as well.
post #358 of 450
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what about the backlight setting? Should I leave this in the middle at 0 or max?

generally not higher than midpoint, usually lower than 50% (could be closer to 33%)

without a meter you want to set to the setting that doesn't look too bright or too dim in your typical viewing conditions using a test pattern with a white background (like the contrast patterns on this disc)
post #359 of 450
the gamma response pattern doesn't seem to really work on my LCD, my display is set to 2.2 from 10% to 90% gray in 10% increments with my C6 colorimeter but the pattern shows gamma being around 1.9

how is this pattern supposed to work and is it even possible to accurate evaluate gamma with a test pattern only (no meter)?
post #360 of 450
The backlight setting is now at +3 (Max is +16) and the blacks are good but I think the overal picture is too bright even when I set the tv with the WOW disc. So I will give it a try to lower the backlight a little bit.

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generally not higher than midpoint, usually lower than 50% (could be closer to 33%)

without a meter you want to set to the setting that doesn't look too bright or too dim in your typical viewing conditions using a test pattern with a white background (like the contrast patterns on this disc)
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