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XBMC Fan, Looking for Input on DVR & NAS Video Software

post #1 of 10
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Currently I'm running XBMC on an AppleTV and an HTPC (Linux Mint OS), for watching videos located on my NAS (.avi, .mkv, VOBs, and .mp4 primarily). I like the XBMC interface, in both instances it just works.

I want to cancel satellite TV, but need to put together an easy to use DVR system to replace the unit that would be lost upon cancelling Dish. Thus far I've purchased a HDHomeRun that is excellent...a very cool piece of gear. So I'm building the DVR functionality around that. I've got an old desktop PC that I'll use as the server backend for any DVR I build, but I haven't found any software that I like so far....am I missing something?

XBMC with a simple option that says "Live or Recorded TV" in addition to the existing Movies, Music, etc options, would be perfect, but I don't think that exists. So here's where I'm at so far.

I've tried the off the shelf SageTV demo....the TV interface seems dated, and the NAS video interface was more like drilling down through a directory file structure than browsing a library. I do like the idea of the small extender though (HD300 I think?).

I've also tried Media Center on Vista Ultimate, the overall interface is nice and the TV/DVR functionality is simple. However I followed a guide here on AVS for setting up the codecs, but I haven't had any success playing VOBs, and the interface to navigate to NAS videos isn't as simple as XBMC.

Lastly I've tried Mythbuntu....that's been a true PITA. By luck I loaded it one day from a USB drive, tried configuring it (database, then TV, then graphics drivers...live TV never did work on it), then mistakenly deleted the failsafe Xorg config file....now it won't install from the USB drive.

So....am I missing something? Are there plugins which make any of these options close to the XBMC experience I'm looking for? I'm open to Windows 7 or Linux OS, but prefer to stick with Linux if possible.
post #2 of 10
I use SageTV, but I watch everything through XBMC, in part because I want a unified experience, but also because I agree with you that the Sage interface leaves something to be desired. Just stick the old PC with SageTV in the closet/basement, and share the recording directory with XBMC.

Sage is very flexible and user-friendly, and has a great web interface for management, both local and remote, including a smartphone friendly version.

I have a plugin I wrote that makes the XBMC/Sage integration more seamless and integrated, and gives you a much nicer display than just browsing the file directory, it works great. I can share it with you, but it's somewhat customized for my setup so would need a few tweaks, and I'm a total python noob so I would not be able to provide much in the way of support.
post #3 of 10
Have you tried the Media Browser plugin with WMC?
post #4 of 10
Linux for DVR is a fail at this point in time unless you are geek enough to really get into the configuration settings with terminal. NOT at all plug and play. Shame because I really like Ubuntu on my desktop and would like to see something like XBMC with DVR capability. FWIW I still haven't been able to get XBMC to install on Ubuntu 10.10 (worked fine on 10.04)...

Windows 7MC with the Shark 007 Codec pack will pretty much play anything "out of the box", it "just works".
post #5 of 10
I'm in a similar situation. I haven't gotten all the parts to click yet but my end goal is multiple synced XBMCs on the front end and MythTV on the back end (which I'm making much more difficult on myself by trying to port it to run on Nexenta instead of Linux). The MythTV backend side is really nice but it takes a good bit of configuration to get into place especially if you aren't particularly Linux savvy. Mythbuntu is the "easiest", but if there is a Linux distribution you already are familiar with it may be better for you to install that and install Myth as an application. I recently gave the new 10.10 release of Mythbuntu a try and it was up and running pretty easily (download ISO, burn to CD, install on single internal HD).

On the XBMC side, over the summer there was a branch called pvr-testing2 which endeavored to add a generic PVR front end to XBMC. There is a little how-to here. It hasn't been rolled into the main trunk yet, but is expected to shortly after Dharma (the next version) is released. In the mean time there is a good effort recently to write a MythTV plugin for the PVR branch which you can find here.

One nice thing about going with MythTV as a backend is it uses a MySQL server, which you can then reuse as a backend database for your multiple XBMC setups to keep them in sync.
post #6 of 10
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Hey, thanks for the responses everyone.

Spent the day today loading a fresh copy of Linux Mint 9 and then Mythtv on the old desktop that would be the backend. Found success getting the backend server and database working, albeit the TV feed stutters every few seconds or so, recorded and live. Running the Mythbuntu live CD on a client laptop however, the frontend crashes every time I try to start it. There's no way I'm going to install it on the laptop without first proving it using the live CD given the issues I've had...might try another laptop tomorrow.

The SageTV server application failed to load on the Linux machine...shame too, I wanted to try that.

Last I loaded Media Browser for Vista MC...wow, works great, and plays the VOBs I couldn't previously. Not quite an XBMC interface but close, and several other files Windows still can't play...but it's progress. I also like the way TV, network video files, and Netflix are integrated in one place. As much as I want Linux to work, it's proving too much hassle...what if something fails while I'm away taking down the ability to watch TV? My concern with going to Windows 7 is whether I'll have to upgrade the old desktop I'm re-purposing as the PVR server.

Tomorrow I'm going to try the XBMC live TV, read about it quickly but not in detail yet.
post #7 of 10
for sage, did you try any of the plug ins? and did you demo v6 or v7? neither are really up to par in the 'flashiness' department as compared to VMC or anything, but v7 is nicer... they are trying at least.

while I am not really a huge MyMovies fan, I recently went through the trouble of installing and setting up mymovies so I could run the Sage MyMovies plugin...
it deals with the whole NAS videos much nicer then the 'stock' sage interface see here as an example:


plus those little sage extenders work great...
post #8 of 10
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Hey, thanks for the responses everyone.

Spent the day today loading a fresh copy of Linux Mint 9 and then Mythtv on the old desktop that would be the backend. Found success getting the backend server and database working, albeit the TV feed stutters every few seconds or so, recorded and live. Running the Mythbuntu live CD on a client laptop however, the frontend crashes every time I try to start it. There's no way I'm going to install it on the laptop without first proving it using the live CD given the issues I've had...might try another laptop tomorrow.

The SageTV server application failed to load on the Linux machine...shame too, I wanted to try that.

Last I loaded Media Browser for Vista MC...wow, works great, and plays the VOBs I couldn't previously. Not quite an XBMC interface but close, and several other files Windows still can't play...but it's progress. I also like the way TV, network video files, and Netflix are integrated in one place. As much as I want Linux to work, it's proving too much hassle...what if something fails while I'm away taking down the ability to watch TV? My concern with going to Windows 7 is whether I'll have to upgrade the old desktop I'm re-purposing as the PVR server.

Tomorrow I'm going to try the XBMC live TV, read about it quickly but not in detail yet.

For Media Browser, you can also look at a writeup I just did on the latest release which shows some of the various skins/customizations you can do
post #9 of 10
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No, I did not check out any plugins for Sage...I demo'd v7 BTW. I'll check those out, including MyMovies....as well as the Media Browser article.

I came to the sad realization the other night (after several Linux OS loads on my planned server) that Windows does not support a server/client architecture that would take advantage of my existing equipment. I went so far as installing Vista (Vista b/c I own it - did trial of Win7 and saw that extenders can only be added to activated versions) only to learn that under Media Center adding an extender isn't synonymous with linking to another PC running Win7 that would playback the host's recorded/live TV.

So what started this post as a simple desire to find the right software has taken me back to re-think the architecture of all this, what I want out of it, and how to best get there with the hardware I've got on-hand (or minimal investment).

Ultimately I want an integrated environment where I can watch live TV with DVR ability on one primary TV, as well as videos from my existing NAS and Netflix, all in one machine for high WAF from an ease of use standpoint. A second TV in "man town" is connected to an HTPC w/XBMC (running Linux Mint), I don't necessarily need an integrated environment there. All TV recordings co-located, separate from the NAS (which could change - it might be best to go with a single media storage server...just seems a waste to stop using the NAS when the machine I want to use supports up to 4 SATA drives, which I have on-hand).
post #10 of 10
Install W7 and only setup the TV portion in the Media Center. I found a couple of tools online that let me edit the MC7 menu and deleted the Video/Music menu items. I then installed XBMC and used a plugin (http://xbmcwmc.teknowebworks.com/) to make a XBMC menu item. MC7 handles the TV recording and playback duties as well as internet TV, XBMC handles the movies, videos and music.
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