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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Theme is confy,, traditional theater.. the roof is vaulted.. all the components are going into the cab we are building right when you open the door.. there are windows that will be covered during daytime/ most of the time..

jvc projector? fixed panamorph lens, 2.35 screen 120 " or so

SPEAKERS? amp ATI AT3005 5CH 300W/CH AMPLIFIER yamaha aventage for 5.1 preout

Problem is-- look at the pictures.. i can't build too deep of soundstage-- i only have 16" before it extends into the windows..-- some of my sketches are crude and look as if there is only 2 inches...

So do i Do inwalls -- atlantic technology? or freestanding 8200 thx series ... i think those are 14" deep.. I am hiring a carpenter to wrap the towers if i choose them and have the center also enclosed with the screen inlayed?

the rears i don't have a clue.-- vaulted ceiling with no attic

HELP? subwoofers-- thinking the atlantic tech corner subs-- then ill have the left front, right front built into the wood 2 feet above the subs? -- no bass traps cause of the window on the left.. Curtains to cover the windows-- maybe inlays motorized or a motorized rod curtain style?

How high should i make my rear stage-- and how long 6 feet good for reclining chairs? the customer wants a lazy couch , im not sure if it should go in the front or back>

All these questions-- Its my first big theater-- ive worked with designers in the past and hated it.. want to give it a shot by myself and the carpenter ..















Thanks,,
kevin graehl
kevingraehl@gmail.com
post #2 of 24
The windows are bass traps.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

The windows are bass traps.

This peaked my curiosity.. is it because they function as a membrane or because they can be opened?

Both? Neither?
post #4 of 24
Bass traps do not trap those little bass bugs running around your room ... they remove bass energy from the room by absorbing it. Bass energy passes right through the windows as if they weren't even there ... basically, removing bass energy from your room.
post #5 of 24
You could get rid of the end window. What will you be doing in the rooom, other than watching a projected image, that you need all those windows?

You could bring the screen forward a foot, maybe with some of the screen wall, and position low-profile speakers behind the screen, using the additional couple inches behind the drywall for added depth.

Are the components going under the counter, or is there a separate enclosure? Middle Atlantic offers a nice Credenza C5 Series furniture rack that would double as a counter along that wall.



post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by Neurorad View Post

You could get rid of the end window. What will you be doing in the rooom, other than watching a projected image, that you need all those windows?

You could bring the screen forward a foot, maybe with some of the screen wall, and position low-profile speakers behind the screen, using the additional couple inches behind the drywall for added depth.

Are the components going under the counter, or is there a separate enclosure? Middle Atlantic offers a nice Credenza C5 Series furniture rack that would double as a counter along that wall.




yes i know about the middle atlantic pull outs but overlooked this credenza model..

I'll see if she will let me false over one of the window panes --- there is eventually a slider-- she wants the room to be open if she wants.. who knows.. i might build a 2x2 false floating wall with linacoustic treatment?

when shoving tower / cabinet speakers into woodwork do i need to make sure they don't have rear firing ports? Good suggestions for speakers for my ati amp? Nothing has been purchased... the budget it 30k for equipment
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

Bass traps do not trap those little bass bugs running around your room ... they remove bass energy from the room by absorbing it. Bass energy passes right through the windows as if they weren't even there ... basically, removing bass energy from your room.

are you saying they are bad in this situation.? Should i ditch them and false wall it?... she kinda wants to keep them.. but otherwise she (client) is super easy to work with and trusts me-- i want to do it right..
post #8 of 24
Personally, I would get rid of the "kitchenette", as it forces everything off to the side, and to me feels out of place. And the L shaped sectional (shown in just one of the renders, so maybe it has already changed) to me would be a problem, the leftmost seat would be total neckstrain watching a movie from there.
post #9 of 24
Have you considered an acoustically transparent screen, with LCR speakers behind the screen?

Carpenter would need to fashion a proscenium, to mount the screen forward a foot of the wall, but nothing fancy needed. The sides of the prescenium could be angled, bringing the surface back toward the screen wall.

This would solve your problem of positioning a speaker to the side of the screen.
post #10 of 24
Quote:
are you saying they are bad in this situation.? Should i ditch them and false wall it?... she kinda wants to keep them.. but otherwise she (client) is super easy to work with and trusts me-- i want to do it right..

They are not helpful on many levels.
You need a theater designer.
post #11 of 24
Dennis, do you have a professional theater designer that you could recommend?

Will he solve all the questions and provide him with a professional layout that shows him exactly where everything belongs for a great home theater experience?

Dennis, that really is a great concept. You should encourage some customers to post their results.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

They are not helpful on many levels.
You need a theater designer.

send me an email to kevingraehl@gmail.com i'll pay you for design..
post #13 of 24
Kevin - there is a pinned thread at the top of the forum that will get you started.
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
windows are getting a false wall.. 2 middle atlantic racks on either side of the screen-- to be exposed or covered by fabric doors? so the stage is 24 deep ..
all measurements are accurate ..

I'm going to have dennis do a sound check.. but any design ideas would be helpful

here is a link to the google sketchup file.. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BX8CSUHB














post #15 of 24
holy crap, that looks incredible

did you do that sketchup, Kevingraehl?! or is that from Dennis' company?
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
It was all me.. It's my idea of a theater.. The customer hasn't seen it yet...
post #17 of 24
I am in the process of building a HT with a vaulted ceiling also.

My one suggestion, get Dennis to design it. I did, and he came up with many different ideas I hadn't even considered. Now I'm building with the relative confidence that things should sound right at the end. $500 well spent IMO.
post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
Send me some ideas of your vaulted ceiling... Kevingraehl@gmail.com

I am going to have Dennis do the design,, Just need to get back with the client on seating- and to make sure she is ok with covering the windows
post #19 of 24
I wonder if you can come up with a sliding wall covering for the windows? I'm thinking something solid and movable in panels like these doors:

http://www.nanawall.com/Static/sliding_patio_doors.aspx

These happen to fold up, but I have seen doors that stack up (sort of like a regular sliding patio door).

The idea would be to build these beside the windows but with a track mechanism that would allow them to be pulled back when you want the windows uncovered. Yuo could treat the panels to get optimal diffusion/reflection. Isolation may be an issue, and certainly cost would be a concern. If the view is good enough, it may be worth the hassle and cost to make these usable.
post #20 of 24
A/V racks next to the screen can be problematic due to all the lights, something to consider. And IMO, the L on the sectional is not going to be a useable seat when the theater is in use. Not sold on the popcorn popper location either - is there perhaps a foyer or hall outside the entrance to the theater room where the snack bar could go?
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by kevingraehl View Post
The popcorn maker is going to be a rattlecan and big reflection point that close to a speaker, i'd suggest sliding it down to the other end of the cabinet.
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post
A/V racks next to the screen can be problematic due to all the lights, something to consider. And IMO, the L on the sectional is not going to be a useable seat when the theater is in use. Not sold on the popcorn popper location either - is there perhaps a foyer or hall outside the entrance to the theater room where the snack bar could go?

i have no other space for the race-- unless i put it into the cab. there are no attics.. or rooms nearby that i can put racks into..

If i was to build out the rear wall 24" and put in nice rears/ woofers then i would loose too much depth. the L couch was just for visual.. prob some seating like this--- the center leg rest moves out like a coffee table...

I would use hinges and have the whole panel open showing the components-- ? or i can put the components in the snack bar to the right-- it is 8 foot long i think-- i can make it what ever-- middle Atlantic
post #23 of 24
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new seating... should i make the seating not as wide and keep a space on the left of the room to make the screen viewing symmetrical? She likes these chairs.... http://fortresseating.com/livegallery/?p=12
post #24 of 24
oooh, Fortress Seating

My favorite chair is from Fortress; wish I could afford to buy one.
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