The Official HSU VTF-15H Thread - Page 55

Originally Posted by serge71

Why are you still so arrogant?...i guess your missing your friend EV......you and him even mention my name when im off for 3 days!..wow...its like i was talking about you all the time!...would you reply??................get a damn life seriously!!...all you do is slamm on products or users here...you are so knowlegable that you need to see a psy...you know most of the great ones were sick??....but they didnt know untill someone told them........look for a post from me on another manufacturer trhead where you see me slamming a product just like you and your friends are doing on a HSU product!!??.....do it and find it!!...then quote me!!...but you wont be able to quote me in that case because i never did it!!....but you are ok you can slamm on any thread and products cause you are so bright!...right!...

Originally Posted by mojomike

Once again, serge, where have I slammed anything? Have I said anything negative about the product in question? Have I ever said it was anything other than a good sub?

This is a science forum. As such, I can't stand unsubstantiated BS. When it starts pouring out in gushers the way it has on this thread as an overreaction to a not-so-great review, I somehow feel the need to point out the BS. You call that slamming. I call it setting the facts straight.

You say potato. I say BS.

Originally Posted by otk

my subwoofer can beat up your subwoofer

Originally Posted by pimpumd

I don't think Mojomike has slammed the VTF-15H.

Originally Posted by serge71

Ask others if you slammed about the product!...and also ask your self why you are always on a HSU product trhead??......do you care or what??....why when someone says something nice about HSU on this trhead and that he likes the product you and your friends always show up to say something bad and try to diminish what the poster just said??.....its easy to be an hipocryte and then say ...oh i am not slamming i am even recomending their products!!...yeah pfftsss!!!!!!!...go on the rytnmik trhead to slamm for a change and leave us alone........now answer me yes or no...is this an HSU treahd?...

Originally Posted by mojomike

To answer your question, yes, this is an HSU thread and we are indeed talking about an HSU product. The real question is, do we talk BS on this thread, or do we talk facts? I think you have already answered that question.

If on the Rythmik thread I ran into someone taking BS, I'd be on there saying so. There is nothing exclusive about this thread other the the unusually high volume of BS as of late.

The funny thing about when I'm accused of being arrogant is that it actually brings out the arrogance in me! The best way to deal with my arrogance would be to shut me the hell up by proving me wrong. You know you want to, so go ahead and do it if you can. Quote me and point out when I slammed the sub. Point out anything I've said against this sub that you can prove is in error. Go ahead and prove me wrong and I will go away from this thread.

You want arrogance. Here's some arrogance: Debating me can be real bitch! I can feel your pain, but point out how and where I have spoken incorrectly against this sub and I will go away just like that.

Originally Posted by serge71

I know you are another AH guy so i wont bother....i liked going on AH there are some good guys over there that helped me and i respect them!...but....i also noticed that most of the slamming was coming from AH guys over here!......read carefully what other people said here!!... i was quite right about what i said!!...yes i was wrong about some things too but the truth came out while i was away from here!..lol....i didn't start anything btw...the haters did!!!.....if Paul has a complex over DR HSU it is not my problem but ....jealousy...anger and envy also occur in that business......

Originally Posted by bfreedma

In a way, comparing the ULS 15 and the VTF-15 is like comparing apples and oranges. The ULS is a sealed sub, while the VTF is ported and as such are designed with different goals in mind and will behave very differently in the same room.

Paul's statement around the quality of the VTF for HT was based on his view that a good HT sub performs well under the 20Hz mark. For various reasons, including room gain, the sealed ULS will, by Paul's definition, be a better HT sub. The VTF certainly does have more output overall, but not in the lowest octave. That doesn't make the VTF "bad" for HT, but just not as good as other subs in the comparison based on his measurements.

Here is the quote about the ULS from HSU's web site
"ULS offers outstanding performance with ultra low distortion and super deep bass extension". Also note that on HSU's site, the ULS is only down 1db at 15Hz vs. the VTF which is down 2db at 15Hz. Regardless of whether we believe these numbers to be accurate, even HSU's own published numbers support the statement that the ULS is a better HT sub (if sub 20Hz is the goal) than the VTF. You can take that up with HSU if you don't agree - it's their measurement.

Please read carefully and note that nowhere here or in any other post have I or others said that the VTF isn't a good sub, or isnt a good value. Just that there are other subs that are better performers down low, and if that is your primary goal, the VTF may not be the best solution. Whether it is better than more costly subs will depend on the sub. Is it better than some more expensive subs, probably. Is it better than a PB-13, Submersive, or many other more expensive subs - no, it is not unless (perhaps) cost is brought into the equation.

Just for the record, I have a JL F113, and there are AVS posters who don't think it's a good HT sub either. No big deal to me - it does what I want and fits the space/design criteria that I needed to fulfill. I don't let other's opinions bother me much when I'm happy with what I've got.

Originally Posted by ransac

Hate to tell you this, but you're wrong again. I am not an AH guy, I am not registered at AH, and the only time I've been to AH is to read the reviews of the subs in the shootout. I haven't even bothered to read the followup review.

As to the slamming going on, it isn't about the sub. It's about the reaction of people like you that totally misinterpreted the original review. A few got their panties in a twist because it didn't declare the VTF-15H as THE WORLD'S BEST SUBWOOFER EVER. You also found fault in statements that were actually compliments, like the Rosewood/Rosenut comment.

Originally Posted by Tack

If I was Pete, I would send serge a free sub if he'd shut up. Gotta be costing them thousands.