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post #2251 of 3938
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

I'm looking at possibly pairing this sub with either the Aperion Verus Grand Towers or the new Ascend towers. Anyone using this sub with either of these speakers? My listening is going to be roughly 90% movies and 10% music. Any thoughts or opinions on how this sub matches up with either speaker? Thanks for any info.

Regards,

RTROSE

Don't know about the Ascend towers, but I have the Ascend CMT-340SE for my fronts with the HSU VTF-15 and it sounds great. It will shake some walls. I've had it about a year now and am very happy with my purchase. I upgraded from an ED A3-300 and it was a major difference. My Ascends can get pretty loud and I have a large room.
post #2252 of 3938
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Originally Posted by coolhub View Post

Don't know about the Ascend towers, but I have the Ascend CMT-340SE for my fronts with the HSU VTF-15 and it sounds great. It will shake some walls. I've had it about a year now and am very happy with my purchase. I upgraded from an ED A3-300 and it was a major difference. My Ascends can get pretty loud and I have a large room.


Thanks for the input. I'm really on the fence with this sub and the Rythmik Ported FV15HP both get excellent reviews and owner reports. Of course there is a discount in going with the Rythmik since Ascend sells them, but the HSU still ends up being cheaper.

More than likely I won't be disappointed with either one.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #2253 of 3938
Can anyone comment?
VTF15 with a emotiva ultra 12, k would that sound right? Thinking about upgrading but selling the ultra might not be worth it. Suggestions???
post #2254 of 3938
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Originally Posted by saltysteven View Post

Can anyone comment?
VTF15 with a emotiva ultra 12, k would that sound right? Thinking about upgrading but selling the ultra might not be worth it. Suggestions???

It is possible that you could use the ultra 12 as a filler sub to smooth frequency response. Search Earl Geddes as he uses filler subs. It can be difficult to match sealed subs and ported subs because of the phase change with a reflex sub at port tuning, however the ultra 12 rolls off above the 15h's tuning modes so that might work to your advantage.

Would want to gain match so the ultra isn't holding the 15H back as it has much more output. Nearfield placement of the ultra 12 may help out. Might need some way of adding delay to different subs at different distances to get both subs in phase if don't have two sub capability in receiver to adjust distances. I would highly recommend getting some measurement gear such as REW setup, OmniMic... for overall system setup and to find best placements and delays/distance settings for subs.

Or may just want to sell the Ultra 12 or move it to another room. Different design subs in your specific room setup is hard to tell if it works until you give it a try.

Hope any of this helps.
Good luck
post #2255 of 3938
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post


It is possible that you could use the ultra 12 as a filler sub to smooth frequency response. Search Earl Geddes as he uses filler subs. It can be difficult to match sealed subs and ported subs because of the phase change with a reflex sub at port tuning, however the ultra 12 rolls off above the 15h's tuning modes so that might work to your advantage.

Would want to gain match so the ultra isn't holding the 15H back as it has much more output. Nearfield placement of the ultra 12 may help out. Might need some way of adding delay to different subs at different distances to get both subs in phase if don't have two sub capability in receiver to adjust distances. I would highly recommend getting some measurement gear such as REW setup, OmniMic... for overall system setup and to find best placements and delays/distance settings for subs.

Or may just want to sell the Ultra 12 or move it to another room. Different design subs in your specific room setup is hard to tell if it works until you give it a try.

Hope any of this helps.
Good luck

Hey man, thanks for the detailed answer. Sounds like alot of tuning. I have a yamaha a710 so I think that should tune everything. Little emotiva is so nice I really would hate to get rid of it.
post #2256 of 3938
Just a quick update. I have now had my hsu for almost 6 months now. Still sounding great with my paradigms! My ceiling still rattles though! Oh well
post #2257 of 3938
If you haven't seen it I took my dual HSU's over to the KC Meet this last weekend. You have to realize that the competition was stiff to say the least, but I believe they faired very well all things considered. Take a look at some of the guesses of the sub. Heck Carp scored them higher than his Captivators. I did run them in 16hz eq1 and then with audyssey xt on top so that may not have been the best, but we wanted to try and make it harder to tell between ported and sealed. I still think they are a top sub for the price from an excellent company with top notch customer service to boot.

I think Sebastian Shaw from Xmen First Class is reincarnated in the his grey cat and absorbs all the bass. Then when the orbit shifter was playing it released its potential energy and tore up the house. Just saying that is a tough place for bass Archaea.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1387178
post #2258 of 3938
^ ha

The HSU subs are a fine item! Luke and I had some fun listening to dubstep music while compiling the results - compliments of the HSU subs. I enjoyed listening to them and feel they are a very good offering!
post #2259 of 3938
What do you have now?

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Originally Posted by Robert760 View Post

The vtf15 is ok not that good I had Duals vtf15's and sold them cuz I wanted more output and low end and couldn't give me what I wanted.
post #2260 of 3938
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post

If you haven't seen it I took my dual HSU's over to the KC Meet this last weekend. You have to realize that the competition was stiff to say the least, but I believe they faired very well all things considered. Take a look at some of the guesses of the sub. Heck Carp scored them higher than his Captivators. I did run them in 16hz eq1 and then with audyssey xt on top so that may not have been the best, but we wanted to try and make it harder to tell between ported and sealed. I still think they are a top sub for the price from an excellent company with top notch customer service to boot.

I think Sebastian Shaw from Xmen First Class is reincarnated in the his grey cat and absorbs all the bass. Then when the orbit shifter was playing it released its potential energy and tore up the house. Just saying that is a tough place for bass Archaea.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1387178

Why you didnt run them in 16hz mode, but in EQ2, which is for high playback levels?
post #2261 of 3938
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Originally Posted by cacihome View Post

Why you didnt run them in 16hz mode, but in EQ2, which is for high playback levels?

Probably should have but I felt at that point they would have been the most rolled off low end of the entries, and therefore would have been easier to pick out from the group. A big part of the meet was the ported vs. sealed debate and so low end was being looked at heavily, and the music ended with "bass I love you".

Really in his room I should have run them in the native tune both ports open for max headroom. Oh well hindsight is always 20/20.

Edit: Also add that I tried nothing before with my subs at his place except for the last meet with one sub. I got there right before the Klipsch started and was the first draw. So they went straight from the back of the SUV to setup. If I had gotten over there the night before and tested different modes on the material at levels of the meet it might have been a different story on what mode I ran with. I was invited to come over Friday, but I didn't want to be worn out the next day that was a 7:30am wake up call to 3:30am event for me.
post #2262 of 3938
Seriously thinking about getting one looks to be a great sub for the money.
post #2263 of 3938
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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

Seriously thinking about getting one looks to be a great sub for the money.

Why not get 4?





......it's not really 4, but it would be sweet!
post #2264 of 3938
Ordered it today now the anticipation starts as my ct-150 finally bit the dust.
post #2265 of 3938
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post

If you haven't seen it I took my dual HSU's over to the KC Meet this last weekend. You have to realize that the competition was stiff to say the least, but I believe they faired very well all things considered. Take a look at some of the guesses of the sub. Heck Carp scored them higher than his Captivators. I did run them in 16hz eq1 and then with audyssey xt on top so that may not have been the best, but we wanted to try and make it harder to tell between ported and sealed. I still think they are a top sub for the price from an excellent company with top notch customer service to boot.

I think Sebastian Shaw from Xmen First Class is reincarnated in the his grey cat and absorbs all the bass. Then when the orbit shifter was playing it released its potential energy and tore up the house. Just saying that is a tough place for bass Archaea.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1387178

This is a great sub. In my opinion the best movie bass I have ever heard was dual vtf-15's in Luke's room... outside of the orbit shifters run god knows how many db's hot.

In my mind they beat my Caps fair and square. That said, with my new pair of Caps in my room both nearfield the bass is much more to my liking and if they had sounded like this at the meet I would have scored them MUCH higher (yeah yeah, excuses excuses..).

However, I haven't heard a pair of VTF-15's in the same configuration in my room and you can be damn sure I won't be doing a blind test in here Luke!!!
post #2266 of 3938
Well I took delivery of the sub this morning and all I can say pictures don't do it justice and I have more bass than this house has ever seen still playing with settings
but I am very satisfied.
post #2267 of 3938
Over the years, I've had some pretty enjoyable audio gear that I appreciated to varying degrees:
Theta Data Basic 1
Adcom GDA-600
PS Audio 4.5
Counterpoint SA-1000
Sonic Frontiers Line 1
Anthem AVM20 V2
Sunfire Loud Invariant Stereo Amp.
Anthem MCA20
Adcom GFA-555
Martin Logan Sequel I's
B&W DM602 S2s
Sunfire True II
Paradigm PW2200

But with an ever active family and a new home, I sold those components (except the AVM20 and the 602s) in favor of something more up-to-date and in the case of speakers - better child resistance. So when money, time and availability permitted, I put together a home theater consisting of:
Oppo BDP-83
Onkyo PR-SC886P
Rotel RB-1572 & RMB-1565
Mirage OMD-5's (crossovers modified)
Mitsubishi HC3800
124 Wilsonart Designer White screen
2 - Athena P3 Subs (from my Wife's system before we married)

When schedules permitted, I researched for replacements of the P3's that would hit personal requirements for: fidelity, bandwidth, firing configuration, build quality, operating efficiency, amp. temperature, customer service (including warranty and return policies), cost and aesthetics; and could fit below my screen between two built-in disc shelves. So over a ~ three year period I looked at the PB13-Ultra until it became too expensive, a DIY A7s-650 variation but stayed away due to lack of comfort with EDs reported amp. and CS issues; which eventually brought me to the FV15HP and the VTF-15H.

Ethan and Adam's review along with various owner testimonies, as well as the need to stay as close to 1 grand as possible combined with HSU's pre and post sales reputation, led me to contact Pete for Q&A. Each time I called, he answered on about the second ring and was very congenial in his approach, further elevating my opinion of the company. Three conversations later found me purchasing a 15H as a confident choice for effectively addressing what I needed.

Satisfied that I embarked in the right direction, I happily waited until it was delivered on 12/20 only to be informed then by my wife that it sustained a hole right through to the cabinet somewhere on its journey to our home (she also being busy didn't think at the time to refuse shipment). One quick call to Pete and he had another shipped out that day as a great olive branch with hopes that we would receive it before Christmas. In turn I readied the first one the next day for pickup and also sent Pete pics of the damage.

Brief pause: Yikes. A reportedly overachieving product designed and produced by a company that is readily available to talk with, cares about its customer's needs and quickly/effectively addresses their concerns without mo' money and angst up front from the customer?! Given the rarity of this approach, what had already been elevated became even more so. Because it was at this point that I among other reasons wished for ridiculous sums of wealth so I could hand-out free VTF-15's and a Crib Notes version of the HSU Business Model to friends and family as a way to alleviate pain, suffering, the need for higher fidelity and of course as a mode for supplying a spark of hope in an otherwise bleak early 21st Century corporate landscape. And I haven't even heard the product.

Pete did some checking and informed me that the second one wouldn't be delivered until the 27th. Though it wasn't the 24th, he went above and beyond the all-too-dismal norm. and I was duly thankful for having chosen HSU with which to do business.

As luck would have it, I checked the tracking number on the 24th and found the second one was waiting at a local FedEx Distribution Center. With haste I called the facility, talked with the lone person working there that afternoon and made arrangements to pick it up!

Two weeks and a flurry of activity later, we finally unboxed it (too long to explain), ah but there it was in all its semi-gloss glory. Veh-heh-herrrrry nice except for a faint hemispherical mar spanning topside across the cabinet's width, which given where it will be installed, I easily overlooked; nonetheless, its one thing to admire the look and design execution of a component, but another to use it. So I connected it to the processor via (another Christmas present) Analysis Plus Sub Oval Interconnect, connected the AC cable, pulled one foam plug and played Enya's The Longships from Watermark. With the Onkyo's volume at -9 and the HSU's settings untouched - including the volume which was slightly above the lowest setting, I wanted to see how cleanly it would handle the track. Once it was done, my wife quickly informed me that everything in the kitchen upstairs was vibrating including waves travelling through her feet to her head.

This is a good sign. Not only that, but as an audio enthusiast and musician, I'm quite aware of how something should sound in comparison to where a component may be in its break-in period. That the 15H in a ~5,600 cu. ft. room (with openings to a stairwell and other rooms) handled the fidelity of the track remarkably well in its initial run - brought a welcome sigh of relief in that the years of research, patience and of course eventually money - have been well spent. To know that it competes with B&M offerings <~3 times the asking price and that it has more in the tank once it breaks-in, pleasantly brings the whole thing full circle and ends a quest I started over three years ago.

Out of curiosity I played the same track on the P3s which returned a rather embarrassing smear campaign on the whole affair insomuch that continuing was out of the question. In retrospect they are certainly better than nothing and served their purpose in allowing us to limp-by until something far more capable came down the pike. Given that, they along with the 602s will be setup in the Instrument Room which then gives me something to jam to: a win-win situation.

Understanding that I originally targeted and kept track of the PB13-Ultra, it was interesting to read a comparison by an AVS Member who owns a PC13-Ultra and a VTF-15H. He relayed that while using a few bombastic scenes from The Hulk, he was shocked at how well the HSU performed, with the neighbor preferring the 15H (link 1) (link 2). That and the many favorable comparisons like it only add to the experience of owning it.
post #2268 of 3938
I have spent the entire day listening to music with this sub and enjoyed ever bit of it
even older material that was not known for its bass sounded better.
post #2269 of 3938
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Originally Posted by gregdpw View Post

Just a quick update. I have now had my hsu for almost 6 months now. Still sounding great with my paradigms! My ceiling still rattles though! Oh well

http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolati...subdude_hd.asp

I ordered two of these for mine. You can find them on amazon cheaper. They seem to solve the rattle problem I'm told. I have 3 large windows in the back that sound like they will pop out lol.
post #2270 of 3938
I just used the rubber feet that came with it on my hardwood floor and looked for rattles and fixed them.
post #2271 of 3938
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

This is a great sub. In my opinion the best movie bass I have ever heard was dual vtf-15's in Luke's room... outside of the orbit shifters run god knows how many db's hot.

In my mind they beat my Caps fair and square. That said, with my new pair of Caps in my room both nearfield the bass is much more to my liking and if they had sounded like this at the meet I would have scored them MUCH higher (yeah yeah, excuses excuses..).

However, I haven't heard a pair of VTF-15's in the same configuration in my room and you can be damn sure I won't be doing a blind test in here Luke!!!

carp,

you are a wild card...If I can make it over on Sunday I'll bring my new crown xls5000 amp for you to try. I haven't got to beat on it yet - wife is back home and she's policing me closely.

airceej -

Great writeup. I'm glad you are enjoying the VTF-15H. I do agree it is a great sub.
post #2272 of 3938
With all those positive comments, I may have to throw the 15H in the mix with the other 2 subs I might buy. I'm either getting the 15H, FV15HP, or PB12-Plus. As far as price to performance ratio and efficiency, it seems like the 15H can't be beat.
post #2273 of 3938
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

carp,

you are a wild card...If I can make it over on Sunday I'll bring my new crown xls5000 amp for you to try. I haven't got to beat on it yet - wife is back home and she's policing me closely.

airceej -

Great writeup. I'm glad you are enjoying the VTF-15H. I do agree it is a great sub.

Cool!! I would love to hear what that amp is capable of on a measly 15A line. Maybe I can finally trip the breaker and stop being such a light-weight!

Luke is coming over around 2 (and is sick of all my ignorant questions about calibrations I'm sure), I'll send you a PM in case you don't see this.
post #2274 of 3938
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post


airceej -

Great writeup. I'm glad you are enjoying the VTF-15H. I do agree it is a great sub.

Much obliged, and thanks to the competition hosted by you as well as that conducted by Ethan and Adam, prospective end-users can glean invaluable information; and given the outcomes in both camps, it provides owners with even more feelgoodidness about their purchase. To that end: the '15H regardless of price is a great sub., factoring in price, it's as easy as breathing...

=AirCeej=
post #2275 of 3938
I'm looking for suggestions. I've had my VTF 15H for about a year, and it's been in the same location for most of that time, in a back corner of the room. I'm wondering if corner loading is the best placement.

We have a desk at the back of the room that is going away, and I am considering moving the sub along the back wall, but it will include having to buy a new cable. Any thoughts?
post #2276 of 3938
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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

I'm looking for suggestions. I've had my VTF 15H for about a year, and it's been in the same location for most of that time, in a back corner of the room. I'm wondering if corner loading is the best placement.

We have a desk at the back of the room that is going away, and I am considering moving the sub along the back wall, but it will include having to buy a new cable. Any thoughts?

Without any type of measuring it's hard to say.
post #2277 of 3938
So corner loading isn't generally worse than along the middle of a wall, or mid room somewhere? I've read that it makes the bass more muddy, so that's why I'm asking.
post #2278 of 3938
There is no uniform answer, sometimes the corner provides the flattest response. Just because it often gives the most output doesn't mean it will always produce muddy bass.
The only way to know is try a corner and measure/listen.
post #2279 of 3938
Okay, thanks for the responses. It sounds like I got some measuring to do.
post #2280 of 3938
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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

So corner loading isn't generally worse than along the middle of a wall, or mid room somewhere? I've read that it makes the bass more muddy, so that's why I'm asking.

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/sp...ofer-placement
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