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post #2671 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Why are you such an angry poster? I never called you stupid or anyone else. Unless you have the latest Audyssey with XT32, the older versions, MultiXT and EQ2, could also mess up when EQing the low end and required additonal tweaking to get it right. Your quite the character.

Because you came off all pompous as if Im not at your level to calibrate. Don't be so quick to judge people and assume they are being misleading about what they are reporting.

What irks me about ypao and having a $2000 avr is, it's not even at the level of a Denon 4311 with audyssey xt32 is when it comes to room correction. When I get my REW/CALman rig back, I'll check to see if the graphs are on there. I can't remember if I saved them on that laptop as I remember working off printouts of the graphs.

Dr. Hsu, do you guys use any Yamaha avr's for testing? A2000-2010/A3000-3010 seem to be the culprits.
post #2672 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Because you came off all pompous as if Im not at your level to calibrate. Don't be so quick to judge people and assume they are being misleading about what they are reporting.

What irks me about ypao and having a $2000 avr is, it's not even at the level of a Denon 4311 with audyssey xt32 is when it comes to room correction. When I get my REW/CALman rig back, I'll check to see if the graphs are on there. I can't remember if I saved them on that laptop as I remember working off printouts of the graphs.

Dr. Hsu, do you guys use any Yamaha avr's for testing? A2000-2010/A3000-3010 seem to be the culprits.

Other ppl that I have helped over the years do not consider me pompous. Your are the one who has issues not me.
post #2673 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Because you came off all pompous as if Im not at your level to calibrate. Don't be so quick to judge people and assume they are being misleading about what they are reporting.

What irks me about ypao and having a $2000 avr is, it's not even at the level of a Denon 4311 with audyssey xt32 is when it comes to room correction. When I get my REW/CALman rig back, I'll check to see if the graphs are on there. I can't remember if I saved them on that laptop as I remember working off printouts of the graphs.

Dr. Hsu, do you guys use any Yamaha avr's for testing? A2000-2010/A3000-3010 seem to be the culprits.

No, we have not used any Yamahas.
post #2674 of 4060
Now what do I do? We are trying to find a house that has the room for a dedicated HT. Wife told me to order another sub so we will have it when we set up the HT.
I would hate to disappoint her

Sorry hit enter to soon. Would I be better served to get the mid bass module?
post #2675 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by rwe416 View Post

Now what do I do? We are trying to find a house that has the room for a dedicated HT. Wife told me to order another sub so we will have it when we set up the HT.
I would hate to disappoint her

Sorry hit enter to soon. Would I be better served to get the mid bass module?

I would go for a second VTF-15..
post #2676 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by eric-t View Post

I would go for a second VTF-15..

+1 , this man knows what he is talking about
post #2677 of 4060
Just purchased 2 used VTF15s. They sound incredible. I had a hard time at first integrating them with my other speakers, I was reluctant to turn them down at first but the reality is that there is so much output I had to. Once I came to my senses they blended nicely.

I have one these placed at the front of the room laying on its side between the right and center speaker and one at the back in the mirror image position under the foosball table (it barely fit under it laying on its side).

My room is 16 by 24 with a cathedral ceiling and it opens on the left rear to the kitchen/dining room which is about 12 by 16. I figure the total volume is around 6100 cubic feet.

My other speakers are...
Klipsch RS62II mains
Klipsch RC62 center
Klipsch RS 3 surrounds
Polk bookshelfs rear surrounds
Old sub - you dont want to know

Yamaha 667 Receiver
Epson 8350 Projector
Severtson 106" screen

I have my receiver cross over set to 80 hz. The subwoofer at the front has both ports plugged, the crossover set to out and Q around 5. The sub in the back is set to both ports open, crossover enabled and set to 40 hz and Q around 3.

The sub settings are not likely final but after working with this setup for a few hours it is pretty balanced for both music and theater. I calibrated using my ears and several concert videos. Music seemed to work better for calibrating since there is constant low frequency material and it is much easier to hear when things become un-natural. After I had this sub set I blended in the rear one to get the bottom end of the kick drum which then required almost no additional tweaking for excellent movie end sound.

I think I would have been able to get great sound with a single VTF15 but it probably would have taken more attention to placement and more time tweaking settings.

The single sub up front blends seamlessly with my Klipsch mains and you can hear EVERY note the bass guitar player plays with clarity and authority. The kick drum sounds good without the second sub but blending in the second sub crossed over at the lower frequency makes it pound without any hint of muddiness. My theory is that having each sub address a slightly different part of the subwoofer spectrum allows me to balance between them to achieve the smoothest aggregate performance. This is especially important since I dont have any subwoofer frequency correction available on my receiver.

I may be sacrificing a bit of overall output doing this (but maybe not...) but there is so much output available this is no issue at all. These subs are loud enough to make you uncomfortable if listened to for an extended period of time so any worries anyone has about volume in a room similarly sized to mine are unfounded.

I went to bed before my boys and they finished watching a movie. In my bedroom it was strange because I couldn't hear a significant amount of bass but every metal object in my room kept vibrating. This was after I turned down the overall volume a bit before going to bed.

In a prior time of life I worked with pro audio for both live performance and installations so I would think that this past experience gives me additional perspective the average home audio enthusiast may not have when it comes to evaluating the quality of these subs. I only mention this because I hope to make clear that these subs deserve consideration.

My comments overall:

Excellent build quality
-Innovative and well executed design for maximum flexibility
-Very high output - your listening environment will complain before they do -(my foosball table playing surface vibrates all the time now and I have never heard a sound from it before these subs)
-Very accurate reproduction across the low frequency spectrum including very low frequency.
-Excellent customer service - the prior owner had lost two of the port plugs as well as the disks that originally came with these subs - HSU is fedexing free replacements directly to me at the original owners request and was shipped before we even completed the transaction. AWESOME
-The only real issue I can see at this point is that I would prefer the amplifier controls etc were recessed to protect them. An object this large and heavy bumped into something would be very unforgiving to anything sticking out. This wouldnt have been a significant burden in the design process but could be a finishing touch to an overall excellent design.

These forums are as dangerous as they are beneficial. So many of the products discussed would be a good choice for anyone but we all agonize over small differences trying to make a 'perfect' decision. I suspect most subwoofers in this class/price range will meet ALL the needs of 99.9% of the population. With that said, I can CONFIRM that the VTF 15 will meet those needs! I cant say enough how impressed I am with the VTF 15.

Now, how does one go about stabilizing a foosball table to eliminate vibration?
post #2678 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by handsaw View Post

Just purchased 2 used VTF15s. They sound incredible. I had a hard time at first integrating them with my other speakers, I was reluctant to turn them down at first but the reality is that there is so much output I had to. Once I came to my senses they blended nicely.

I have one these placed at the front of the room laying on its side between the right and center speaker and one at the back in the mirror image position under the foosball table (it barely fit under it laying on its side).

My room is 16 by 24 with a cathedral ceiling and it opens on the left rear to the kitchen/dining room which is about 12 by 16. I figure the total volume is around 6100 cubic feet.

My other speakers are...
Klipsch RS62II mains
Klipsch RC62 center
Klipsch RS 3 surrounds
Polk bookshelfs rear surrounds
Old sub - you dont want to know

Yamaha 667 Receiver
Epson 8350 Projector
Severtson 106" screen

I have my receiver cross over set to 80 hz. The subwoofer at the front has both ports plugged, the crossover set to out and Q around 5. The sub in the back is set to both ports open, crossover enabled and set to 40 hz and Q around 3.

The sub settings are not likely final but after working with this setup for a few hours it is pretty balanced for both music and theater. I calibrated using my ears and several concert videos. Music seemed to work better for calibrating since there is constant low frequency material and it is much easier to hear when things become un-natural. After I had this sub set I blended in the rear one to get the bottom end of the kick drum which then required almost no additional tweaking for excellent movie end sound.

I think I would have been able to get great sound with a single VTF15 but it probably would have taken more attention to placement and more time tweaking settings.

The single sub up front blends seamlessly with my Klipsch mains and you can hear EVERY note the bass guitar player plays with clarity and authority. The kick drum sounds good without the second sub but blending in the second sub crossed over at the lower frequency makes it pound without any hint of muddiness. My theory is that having each sub address a slightly different part of the subwoofer spectrum allows me to balance between them to achieve the smoothest aggregate performance. This is especially important since I dont have any subwoofer frequency correction available on my receiver.

I may be sacrificing a bit of overall output doing this (but maybe not...) but there is so much output available this is no issue at all. These subs are loud enough to make you uncomfortable if listened to for an extended period of time so any worries anyone has about volume in a room similarly sized to mine are unfounded.

I went to bed before my boys and they finished watching a movie. In my bedroom it was strange because I couldn't hear a significant amount of bass but every metal object in my room kept vibrating. This was after I turned down the overall volume a bit before going to bed.

In a prior time of life I worked with pro audio for both live performance and installations so I would think that this past experience gives me additional perspective the average home audio enthusiast may not have when it comes to evaluating the quality of these subs. I only mention this because I hope to make clear that these subs deserve consideration.

My comments overall:

Excellent build quality
-Innovative and well executed design for maximum flexibility
-Very high output - your listening environment will complain before they do -(my foosball table playing surface vibrates all the time now and I have never heard a sound from it before these subs)
-Very accurate reproduction across the low frequency spectrum including very low frequency.
-Excellent customer service - the prior owner had lost two of the port plugs as well as the disks that originally came with these subs - HSU is fedexing free replacements directly to me at the original owners request and was shipped before we even completed the transaction. AWESOME
-The only real issue I can see at this point is that I would prefer the amplifier controls etc were recessed to protect them. An object this large and heavy bumped into something would be very unforgiving to anything sticking out. This wouldnt have been a significant burden in the design process but could be a finishing touch to an overall excellent design.

These forums are as dangerous as they are beneficial. So many of the products discussed would be a good choice for anyone but we all agonize over small differences trying to make a 'perfect' decision. I suspect most subwoofers in this class/price range will meet ALL the needs of 99.9% of the population. With that said, I can CONFIRM that the VTF 15 will meet those needs! I cant say enough how impressed I am with the VTF 15.

Now, how does one go about stabilizing a foosball table to eliminate vibration?

Glad you liked them. Are both set to EQ2?

Maybe draping a couple of bath towels over the top of the table will help dampen some of the vibrations....
post #2679 of 4060
Hello eveybody, just trying to decide on a sub and was leaning towards HSU VTF-3 MK4 and after more research thought what the heck why not go for the VTF-15H. Question is if it would be overkill for Energy RC-LCR for mains and center with RC10's as surround speakers(eventual upgrade to Energy RC70 towers)Room size is 15X30X7. I read the review by Home Theater Mag where Thomas Norton demoed the sub with a pair of Pioneer SB-PS41-LR bookshelf speakers, and it apparently sounded quite good with lower end speakers. I don't know how my Energy RC-LCR's compare to those pioneer speakers but a quality sub should make it sound awesome right? Right now I'm using an ESW-CS8 and it's lacking somewhat.
post #2680 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by boardinguy100 View Post

Hello eveybody, just trying to decide on a sub and was leaning towards HSU VTF-3 MK4 and after more research thought what the heck why not go for the VTF-15H. Question is if it would be overkill for Energy RC-LCR for mains and center with RC10's as surround speakers(eventual upgrade to Energy RC70 towers)Room size is 15X30X7. I read the review by Home Theater Mag where Thomas Norton demoed the sub with a pair of Pioneer SB-PS41-LR bookshelf speakers, and it apparently sounded quite good with lower end speakers. I don't know how my Energy RC-LCR's compare to those pioneer speakers but a quality sub should make it sound awesome right? Right now I'm using an ESW-CS8 and it's lacking somewhat.

No, its not overkill, it would be a good sub for the size of the room you are in. If you can afford it and can accommodate the size of the sub, I would say go for it, as not many people have a place for such a large subwoofer.
post #2681 of 4060
Funny. I put a folded towel between the deck and the bars earlier today and no more vibration. Two great minds...

I have both set to 2.

Love the subs Dr!
post #2682 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by handsaw View Post

Funny. I put a folded towel between the deck and the bars earlier today and no more vibration. Two great minds...

I have both set to 2.

Love the subs Dr!

Maybe you should start designing subwoofers too! On second thought, no! that would be competition !
post #2683 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by handsaw View Post

Just purchased 2 used VTF15s. They sound incredible. I had a hard time at first integrating them with my other speakers, I was reluctant to turn them down at first but the reality is that there is so much output I had to. Once I came to my senses they blended nicely.

I have one these placed at the front of the room laying on its side between the right and center speaker and one at the back in the mirror image position under the foosball table (it barely fit under it laying on its side).

My room is 16 by 24 with a cathedral ceiling and it opens on the left rear to the kitchen/dining room which is about 12 by 16. I figure the total volume is around 6100 cubic feet.

My other speakers are...
Klipsch RS62II mains
Klipsch RC62 center
Klipsch RS 3 surrounds
Polk bookshelfs rear surrounds
Old sub - you dont want to know

Yamaha 667 Receiver
Epson 8350 Projector
Severtson 106" screen

I have my receiver cross over set to 80 hz. The subwoofer at the front has both ports plugged, the crossover set to out and Q around 5. The sub in the back is set to both ports open, crossover enabled and set to 40 hz and Q around 3.

The sub settings are not likely final but after working with this setup for a few hours it is pretty balanced for both music and theater. I calibrated using my ears and several concert videos. Music seemed to work better for calibrating since there is constant low frequency material and it is much easier to hear when things become un-natural. After I had this sub set I blended in the rear one to get the bottom end of the kick drum which then required almost no additional tweaking for excellent movie end sound.

I think I would have been able to get great sound with a single VTF15 but it probably would have taken more attention to placement and more time tweaking settings.

The single sub up front blends seamlessly with my Klipsch mains and you can hear EVERY note the bass guitar player plays with clarity and authority. The kick drum sounds good without the second sub but blending in the second sub crossed over at the lower frequency makes it pound without any hint of muddiness. My theory is that having each sub address a slightly different part of the subwoofer spectrum allows me to balance between them to achieve the smoothest aggregate performance. This is especially important since I dont have any subwoofer frequency correction available on my receiver.

I may be sacrificing a bit of overall output doing this (but maybe not...) but there is so much output available this is no issue at all. These subs are loud enough to make you uncomfortable if listened to for an extended period of time so any worries anyone has about volume in a room similarly sized to mine are unfounded.

I went to bed before my boys and they finished watching a movie. In my bedroom it was strange because I couldn't hear a significant amount of bass but every metal object in my room kept vibrating. This was after I turned down the overall volume a bit before going to bed.

In a prior time of life I worked with pro audio for both live performance and installations so I would think that this past experience gives me additional perspective the average home audio enthusiast may not have when it comes to evaluating the quality of these subs. I only mention this because I hope to make clear that these subs deserve consideration.

My comments overall:

Excellent build quality
-Innovative and well executed design for maximum flexibility
-Very high output - your listening environment will complain before they do -(my foosball table playing surface vibrates all the time now and I have never heard a sound from it before these subs)
-Very accurate reproduction across the low frequency spectrum including very low frequency.
-Excellent customer service - the prior owner had lost two of the port plugs as well as the disks that originally came with these subs - HSU is fedexing free replacements directly to me at the original owners request and was shipped before we even completed the transaction. AWESOME
-The only real issue I can see at this point is that I would prefer the amplifier controls etc were recessed to protect them. An object this large and heavy bumped into something would be very unforgiving to anything sticking out. This wouldnt have been a significant burden in the design process but could be a finishing touch to an overall excellent design.

These forums are as dangerous as they are beneficial. So many of the products discussed would be a good choice for anyone but we all agonize over small differences trying to make a 'perfect' decision. I suspect most subwoofers in this class/price range will meet ALL the needs of 99.9% of the population. With that said, I can CONFIRM that the VTF 15 will meet those needs! I cant say enough how impressed I am with the VTF 15.

Now, how does one go about stabilizing a foosball table to eliminate vibration?

Awesome post!!!!
post #2684 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by handsaw View Post

Just purchased 2 used VTF15s. They sound incredible. I had a hard time at first integrating them with my other speakers, I was reluctant to turn them down at first but the reality is that there is so much output I had to. Once I came to my senses they blended nicely.

I have one these placed at the front of the room laying on its side between the right and center speaker and one at the back in the mirror image position under the foosball table (it barely fit under it laying on its side).

My room is 16 by 24 with a cathedral ceiling and it opens on the left rear to the kitchen/dining room which is about 12 by 16. I figure the total volume is around 6100 cubic feet.

My other speakers are...
Klipsch RS62II mains
Klipsch RC62 center
Klipsch RS 3 surrounds
Polk bookshelfs rear surrounds
Old sub - you dont want to know

Yamaha 667 Receiver
Epson 8350 Projector
Severtson 106" screen

I have my receiver cross over set to 80 hz. The subwoofer at the front has both ports plugged, the crossover set to out and Q around 5. The sub in the back is set to both ports open, crossover enabled and set to 40 hz and Q around 3.

The sub settings are not likely final but after working with this setup for a few hours it is pretty balanced for both music and theater. I calibrated using my ears and several concert videos. Music seemed to work better for calibrating since there is constant low frequency material and it is much easier to hear when things become un-natural. After I had this sub set I blended in the rear one to get the bottom end of the kick drum which then required almost no additional tweaking for excellent movie end sound.

I think I would have been able to get great sound with a single VTF15 but it probably would have taken more attention to placement and more time tweaking settings.

The single sub up front blends seamlessly with my Klipsch mains and you can hear EVERY note the bass guitar player plays with clarity and authority. The kick drum sounds good without the second sub but blending in the second sub crossed over at the lower frequency makes it pound without any hint of muddiness. My theory is that having each sub address a slightly different part of the subwoofer spectrum allows me to balance between them to achieve the smoothest aggregate performance. This is especially important since I dont have any subwoofer frequency correction available on my receiver.

I may be sacrificing a bit of overall output doing this (but maybe not...) but there is so much output available this is no issue at all. These subs are loud enough to make you uncomfortable if listened to for an extended period of time so any worries anyone has about volume in a room similarly sized to mine are unfounded.

I went to bed before my boys and they finished watching a movie. In my bedroom it was strange because I couldn't hear a significant amount of bass but every metal object in my room kept vibrating. This was after I turned down the overall volume a bit before going to bed.

In a prior time of life I worked with pro audio for both live performance and installations so I would think that this past experience gives me additional perspective the average home audio enthusiast may not have when it comes to evaluating the quality of these subs. I only mention this because I hope to make clear that these subs deserve consideration.

My comments overall:

Excellent build quality
-Innovative and well executed design for maximum flexibility
-Very high output - your listening environment will complain before they do -(my foosball table playing surface vibrates all the time now and I have never heard a sound from it before these subs)
-Very accurate reproduction across the low frequency spectrum including very low frequency.
-Excellent customer service - the prior owner had lost two of the port plugs as well as the disks that originally came with these subs - HSU is fedexing free replacements directly to me at the original owners request and was shipped before we even completed the transaction. AWESOME
-The only real issue I can see at this point is that I would prefer the amplifier controls etc were recessed to protect them. An object this large and heavy bumped into something would be very unforgiving to anything sticking out. This wouldnt have been a significant burden in the design process but could be a finishing touch to an overall excellent design.

These forums are as dangerous as they are beneficial. So many of the products discussed would be a good choice for anyone but we all agonize over small differences trying to make a 'perfect' decision. I suspect most subwoofers in this class/price range will meet ALL the needs of 99.9% of the population. With that said, I can CONFIRM that the VTF 15 will meet those needs! I cant say enough how impressed I am with the VTF 15.

Now, how does one go about stabilizing a foosball table to eliminate vibration?

Glad you are enjoying them! Just FYI, they didn't send them for free, but it was no hassle to do such a request. As always, HSU customer support was top notch.
post #2685 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_hsu View Post

Maybe you should start designing subwoofers too! On second thought, no! that would be competition !

Me, I'd love to design subwoofers (professionally).

Two 15H's... I joked with the Mrs. over the weekend that we should get a second VTF-3 MK4 so we'd have a matched pair of end tables next to the couch. I received the flat countenance of "you cannot remotely be serious..."

The sub's been moved into its final resting place nearfield to the left of the couch and I've recalibrated. All is well. I ran some specific localization tests with sweeps and test tones and found that at an 80hz crossover point (receiver with MCACC) there was enough material coming through the sub above 80hz that I could localize. Summing the sub's EQ with MCACC's was not a good solution as the transition from the mains to the sub was rather jarring. Eventually I ran another battery of tests at 50hz crossover (MCACC), and found that indeed it was much... MUCH harder for me to localize.

Upside is I actually tracked down the ~35 to ~50hz bump at the listening position, and boy howdy it was something I would have never expected. It seems that my Interludes, even though they're spec'd to roll off ~50hz... don't at the sweetspot on the couch. I've the luxury of a pretty-damn-close-to-equalateral triangle for the front stage and the couch, and I was able to actually hear sub-50hz material coming from the mains. I busted out the SPL meter and took readings, and indeed I was measuring pretty fantastic response down to 35hz from them on the couch. For giggles I even uncrossed them and ran a battery of test tones and sweeps through them full range and man... it fell off massively, but I was still picking them up with the mic at 25hz on the couch, which is just silly.

Anyway, I used to run those guys full range + sub, ergo my measuring a huge bump in that passband. Crossed over at 50hz has remedied that to a great degree.

Still, though, I'm reminded well why I bought the IL10's to begin with. These things can get up and move on their own. Makes my debate of replacing them this fall that much more... um... debatable?

Now if I could just find a black IL36C floating around the web somewhere...
post #2686 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt34 View Post

Glad you are enjoying them! Just FYI, they didn't send them for free, but it was no hassle to do such a request. As always, HSU customer support was top notch.

well in that case thanks to both of you
post #2687 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt34 View Post

Glad you are enjoying them! Just FYI, they didn't send them for free, but it was no hassle to do such a request. As always, HSU customer support was top notch.

Quote:
Originally Posted by saltysteven View Post

Awesome post!!!!

Thanks! Hope it is useful.
post #2688 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by handsaw View Post


Thanks! Hope it is useful.

Yea, its actually very interesting how you changed the subs to different frequencies to cover a more full range. I'm still messing around with settings and about to try a new location. The null I have is crazy
post #2689 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by boardinguy100 View Post

Hello eveybody, just trying to decide on a sub and was leaning towards HSU VTF-3 MK4 and after more research thought what the heck why not go for the VTF-15H. Question is if it would be overkill for Energy RC-LCR for mains and center with RC10's as surround speakers(eventual upgrade to Energy RC70 towers)Room size is 15X30X7. I read the review by Home Theater Mag where Thomas Norton demoed the sub with a pair of Pioneer SB-PS41-LR bookshelf speakers, and it apparently sounded quite good with lower end speakers. I don't know how my Energy RC-LCR's compare to those pioneer speakers but a quality sub should make it sound awesome right? Right now I'm using an ESW-CS8 and it's lacking somewhat.

The VTF-15H would work well with that set-up. I have the RC-70's, RC-LCR center and V-S surrounds. I went for the 15H because I wanted to avoid upgrade-itis (I started with the RC-50's and upgraded within a year to the 70's). My room has about the same cubic footage as yours, but it's also open on both sides to other rooms. Sounds great.
post #2690 of 4060
I am considering buying this sub but have a question for those who own this. Did anyone of you get the 5 year extended warranty? Do you think it is worth getting this extended warranty? Thanks in advance for your responses.
post #2691 of 4060
Quote:
Originally Posted by psalm234 View Post

I am considering buying this sub but have a question for those who own this. Did anyone of you get the 5 year extended warranty? Do you think it is worth getting this extended warranty? Thanks in advance for your responses.

No one can really answer this question but you. IMO there are warranty guys and non warranty guys. Who are you?
post #2692 of 4060
Can anyone comment there opinions of the anti mode 8033 with a vft15?
post #2693 of 4060
vtf15 first impressions...

Well, I'll say this thing shakes the house!!
I'm still tuning and have to switch locations. I didn't even get to do the crawl yet. The bass is sometimes to much and other times to little (set to low). The bass is low but for the size of it I thought itd be louder. As I am beginning to understand what I have and as my ear adjusts from the 12 to the 15 , im starting to like it more smd more. I have some issues... The null is huge!!! The room edges are full of bass and center of room about half! Right now as is this sub is excellent for home theater. Getting to work for music such dance or hip hop is the challenge. Music like rock or basically any other music that doesn't have that much bass sounds actually good. Bassy music sounds boomy and sounds like it had no mid bass. The 12 has what the 15 doesn't and vice versa. I know my tuning and air space has alot to do with it. My Yamaha has yapo and it doesn't tune subs well. I tune the sub separately myself so maybe that's my issue. I just discovered Anti mode 8033 sub eq and people have given it great reviews. I'm still not sure if itll give me what i'm missing. What do you think about the anti mode??
I still have to move this sub to see if it gets better. I dont think I played it full blast yet because its near a window and wow... I think I would have to film that explosion!
Another thing I noticed is as I head upstairs, right where the ceiling of the first floor is as if my ear is level with the ceiling the bass is the best there by far!
The sub now is located near a doorway so I think alot is escaping out.
It definitely vibrates everything!!!! Its like it works as a shaker as good as it works as a sub. When it shakes the most is when the actual volume goes down. The deeper the less output. Now is there a way to make it higher of a bass note for some musics?
At the end of the day i'm really liking it and it has completed the home theater experience for sure!!!
post #2694 of 4060
The main problem with a null is the only way to cure it is move the seating out of it sometimes you get lucky with moving it only a couple of feet in either direction.
The bass that some miss when upgrading is the fact that better subs don't have the bass bloat that cheaper subs tend to lean towards also less distortion will equate to tighter bass.
post #2695 of 4060
First time poster and long time lurker.

Dr HSU,

I just received my 15H last night and got everything set up and it looks and sounds amazing. I was wondering if you could help me with sub placement though. I currently have it behind my love seat. I could put it where the end table is or between the TV and FL speaker. Any advise would be appreciated. I could move the love seat against the wall and then put the sub on either end of the love seat. I have very good bass when sitting on the love seat but not nearly as much for the couch.

 

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post #2696 of 4060
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Originally Posted by k2fast4u View Post

First time poster and long time lurker.

Dr HSU,

I just received my 15H last night and got everything set up and it looks and sounds amazing. I was wondering if you could help me with sub placement though. I currently have it behind my love seat. I could put it where the end table is or between the TV and FL speaker. Any advise would be appreciated. I could move the love seat against the wall and then put the sub on either end of the love seat. I have very good bass when sitting on the love seat but not nearly as much for the couch.

Glad you love the sub! How large is the space marked 'open'? can you sketch in the whole space? Yes, sitting near the room boundary will definitely give you much better bass. I will give my suggestions after I see the complete room sketch.
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Glad you love the sub! How large is the space marked 'open'? can you sketch in the whole space? Yes, sitting near the room boundary will definitely give you much better bass. I will give my suggestions after I see the complete room sketch.
Dr. HSU,

Here is a sketch of the open space. It mostly consist of the kitchen and then the entry way. The bar section is about 3.5' tall. The ceiling in the kitchen is 9' and the living room ceiling starts at 9' on both sides then goes up to 13' in the middle. Thank you.

 

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No one can really answer this question but you. IMO there are warranty guys and non warranty guys. Who are you?

First off...thanks for your response.

Well, I usually make my decision about warranty's based off of my familiarity with the manufacturer and previous history and of course the item being purchased. I asked the question because I was hoping to get responses from HSU owners who would indicate their experience with the product. So with that being said I'm hoping to get more detailed responses.
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Dr. HSU,

Here is a sketch of the open space. It mostly consist of the kitchen and then the entry way. The bar section is about 3.5' tall. The ceiling in the kitchen is 9' and the living room ceiling starts at 9' on both sides then goes up to 13' in the middle. Thank you.

So, it's 35 ft width overall. That is great - 16 Hz should be very strong in your room. Can you place the 15H directly behind your couch, with the woofer lined up directly behind your sweet spot? If you don't mind sitting a bit to the side, you can line up your loveseat with the couch and place the 15H directly behind the spot you sit on the loveseat. With the strong room gain at 16 Hz, I would go for two ports open, EQ2, Q=0.3, and you will probably still get bass flat down to 16 Hz. One port open, EQ2, Q=0.3 is another option that should be great.
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So, it's 35 ft width overall. That is great - 16 Hz should be very strong in your room. Can you place the 15H directly behind your couch, with the woofer lined up directly behind your sweet spot? If you don't mind sitting a bit to the side, you can line up your loveseat with the couch and place the 15H directly behind the spot you sit on the loveseat. With the strong room gain at 16 Hz, I would go for two ports open, EQ2, Q=0.3, and you will probably still get bass flat down to 16 Hz. One port open, EQ2, Q=0.3 is another option that should be great.

I can not place it behind the couch. It would be in the way walking to the back door and the wife would not like that too much. I really only have 4 options.

- Where it is right now.
- Where the end table is beside the love seat
- Between the FL speaker and TV
- On the far end of the love seat if I moved the love seat against the wall. I could point it at the couch then.

Thank you for all the help. I really do appreciate it. I am currently running it with two ports open EQ2 with Q=.3.
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