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post #3391 of 4060
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Originally Posted by dr_hsu View Post

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Originally Posted by SamGresham View Post

Well I talked myself into it, I am going to be ordering two vtf-15hs in the next week or so!

Welcome to the Hsu family! Go to the Gym and tone your muscles before they arrive! biggrin.gif

Furniture sliders are our friends. smile.gif
post #3392 of 4060
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Originally Posted by sputter1 View Post

Furniture sliders are our friends. smile.gif

You got that right. I carried this sub down the stairs by myself and then used furniture sliders. The VTF-15H is one beast of a sub. You can really feel the quality the minute you take it out of the box.
post #3393 of 4060
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Originally Posted by sputter1 View Post

Furniture sliders are our friends. smile.gif

You got that right. I carried this sub down the stairs by myself and then used furniture sliders. The VTF-15H is one beast of a sub. You can really feel the quality the minute you take it out of the box.

I moved two but I cheated and slid the boxes down the carpeted stairs. biggrin.gif
Edited by sputter1 - 1/21/13 at 5:35am
post #3394 of 4060
Well i pulled the trigger, getting the Hybrid 15 (with VTF-15H) sw.....
Now to work on the wife.....hmmmm...

"honey, its a new end table"....


I treated myself today, my birthday....Workin' hard for the money...

Kudos to Dr. Hsu helping me in my placement of sw...still not exactly sure of placement, but now have ideas.

Living Room attached pic.....Not ideal setup, But Dr. Hsu mentioned maybe placing sw behind couch on RIGHT behind listening area.

Dimensions:

25' x 15 'x 10' (lwh)

corner TV placement etc, but am excited..
post #3395 of 4060
After having my VTF-15 for about 3 months I am pretty happy with it. I currently run it with 1 port open eq 2, and q .7 and the volume set on the sub between the 9'oclock hash mark and the one below it. I originally set it up using audyssey multieq xt on my Onkyo 3007 with the sub at 9'oclock with one port open eq 1 and q.7. Audyssey set the sub out on my avr to -0.5db. I upped it to +1.5db. I also added 1ft of distance to the sub to help with a large spike around 50hz. Anyway, my question is this. I listen at decently high playback levels for movies and would like a bit more punch. Is it safe to bump my avr gain on the sub up to +2.5 or +3, if I keep the gain on the sub where it currently is? I was also thinking of switching to both ports open to help with the volume. I'm assuming this will also help with bass during music playback.

Thanks.
post #3396 of 4060
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Originally Posted by amill94 View Post

After having my VTF-15 for about 3 months I am pretty happy with it. I currently run it with 1 port open eq 2, and q .7 and the volume set on the sub between the 9'oclock hash mark and the one below it. I originally set it up using audyssey multieq xt on my Onkyo 3007 with the sub at 9'oclock with one port open eq 1 and q.7. Audyssey set the sub out on my avr to -0.5db. I upped it to +1.5db. I also added 1ft of distance to the sub to help with a large spike around 50hz. Anyway, my question is this. I listen at decently high playback levels for movies and would like a bit more punch. Is it safe to bump my avr gain on the sub up to +2.5 or +3, if I keep the gain on the sub where it currently is? I was also thinking of switching to both ports open to help with the volume. I'm assuming this will also help with bass during music playback.

Thanks.

For most program, set it to two port open, EQ2 and Q 0.3 for more headroom and impact. Yes, you can bump it up to +2.5 or +3.
post #3397 of 4060
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Originally Posted by dr_hsu View Post

For most program, set it to two port open, EQ2 and Q 0.3 for more headroom and impact. Yes, you can bump it up to +2.5 or +3.

Thank you.
post #3398 of 4060
I love the versatility of this sub. After my initial weekend with it I have worn a path in the carpet from the couch to the sub. So
far I like sealed eq 1 and .6 q. This might not be the loudest but its a nice warm thump. On a smaller sub there might not be enough bass for me in sealed mode but this beast is massive. The differences are subtle and I tend to flip flop so next week I might change my mind, which is fine cuz I can always tweak it.
My wife and kids love it too.
post #3399 of 4060
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

I love the versatility of this sub. After my initial weekend with it I have worn a path in the carpet from the couch to the sub. So
far I like sealed eq 1 and .6 q. This might not be the loudest but its a nice warm thump. On a smaller sub there might not be enough bass for me in sealed mode but this beast is massive. The differences are subtle and I tend to flip flop so next week I might change my mind, which is fine cuz I can always tweak it.
My wife and kids love it too.

Glad to hear that your whole family love it.
post #3400 of 4060
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Originally Posted by dr_hsu View Post

I would not. The 15H will have so much more output than the 2.4 that the 2.4 will not be an effective contributor. Use the 2.4 in another room.

I'm a very happy camper for more than one year now with my VTF-15H, running it two ports open, EQ2 and Q 0.3. Recently I decided to expand from 5.1 to 7.2 and put another sub-woofer in the room. Due to the limited space left I ordered a VTF-1 MK2 and placed it to the right side of the sofa. I have to say the VTF-1 MK2 is a great sounding sub and it is true the VTF-15H has much more output of course but the "little one" still contributes to a more homogeneous sound field. I can say that because I'm now used to the 15H for more than a year and the smaller sub was a good investment for "my" home theater room.

I take this opportunity to thank Dr. Hsu for his fine line of affordable sub-woofers, especially the 15H keeps to impress me and my wife even after such a long time listening to it. We use it for both worlds, music and home theater and the HSU sub-woofers are a perfect fit with so many tuning possibilities.

Wondering how a expensive sub like one from JL-Audio f212 Fathom or even Gotham would compare to the VTF-15H? Anybody ever heard one of them? - just wondering how those subs would compare to the 15H and I know you cannot compare it price wise, just being curious.
post #3401 of 4060
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Originally Posted by sputter1 View Post

I moved two but I cheated and slid the boxes down the carpeted stairs. biggrin.gif
That's how I got mine downstairs. I'm not carrying that thing.
post #3402 of 4060
New setup: HSU Hybrid 15 (w/ VTF-15h sub)

Onkyo TX706 AVR..


I calibrated Audessey, and wanted to know what the LFP (or some setting like that is in Onkyo setup)

Also,
what might my crossover be at the sub panel?
thanks
post #3403 of 4060
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

New setup: HSU Hybrid 15 (w/ VTF-15h sub)

Onkyo TX706 AVR..


I calibrated Audessey, and wanted to know what the LFP (or some setting like that is in Onkyo setup)

Also,
what might my crossover be at the sub panel?
thanks

The LPF of the LFE should be set to 120Hz. This is from the Audyessy setup guide:
First of all, Audyssey doesn't touch this setting. Neither is it a Crossover, although you will often see it described as such. It stands for Low Pass Filter of the Low Frequency Effects Channel. The Low Frequency Effects (LFE) channel is the .1 in a 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 audio track and it carries special content put there by the content mixer. The Low Pass Filter is the filter that is applied to that content. The content is authored up to 120Hz so the only setting that is correct for this is 120Hz. If you set it to anything below 120Hz then any content between 120Hz and whatever you set it to is lost. It is not redirected anywhere - it is simply discarded. This filter has nothing to do with any speaker Crossovers etc and it is not set by Audyssey. The only reason it is in the FAQ is that people often think that Audyssey has set it and they confuse it with their speaker Crossovers. Just set it at 120Hz and leave it there. ( http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#user_c5 )

There is a switch on the back of your VTF-15H called CROSSOVER. Set it to Out. Your receiver is handling the bass management so you want the crossover in the sub disengaged.

Congratulations on the purchase. Please post your thoughts. I have the VTH-15H and just love it. My speakers are 20+ year old NHT's. I very interested in the HB-1 MK 2's.
post #3404 of 4060
I've read some of this thread, but I was wondering if any one could help me get the most of out my speakers and especially my new 15H sub. I attached a lay out of my set up. I don't have any spl testers or anything and am not near as critical as some on here. I just want a basic recommendation on how some of you would configure my set up for my room. I want it to sound good for movies, but I also listen to a lot of music. My front speakers are klipsch rf82-II's, my center is a klipsch rf62-II, the surrounds are floor standing klipsch synergy (the best ones that a non magnolia best buy carries), and then the hsu vtf-15H sub. The receiver is a yamaha rx-v671. I've ran ypao and for some reason it set all speakers to large and I also didn't like how low it set the level for the sub. Right now I've got all speakers manually set to low and turned the sub up some. I set the crossover at 80. If you need more details just let me know. Thanks.

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post #3405 of 4060
There are free apps for your phone that are spl . Its fairly accurate
post #3406 of 4060
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Originally Posted by lumberjack96 View Post

I've read some of this thread, but I was wondering if any one could help me get the most of out my speakers and especially my new 15H sub. I attached a lay out of my set up. I don't have any spl testers or anything and am not near as critical as some on here. I just want a basic recommendation on how some of you would configure my set up for my room. I want it to sound good for movies, but I also listen to a lot of music. My front speakers are klipsch rf82-II's, my center is a klipsch rf62-II, the surrounds are floor standing klipsch synergy (the best ones that a non magnolia best buy carries), and then the hsu vtf-15H sub. The receiver is a yamaha rx-v671. I've ran ypao and for some reason it set all speakers to large and I also didn't like how low it set the level for the sub. Right now I've got all speakers manually set to low and turned the sub up some. I set the crossover at 80. If you need more details just let me know. Thanks.

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Your speakers are pretty beefy, so it's no wonder they were set to large. You could get away with setting the crossover a bit lower than 80 hz if you wanted, you might try 70. YPAO might have set the sub too low like Audyssey sometimes does. Run the sun as hot as you like, what matters most is what sounds best to your ears. If you have followed instructions on speaker placement from your receiver manual, and ran YPAO correctly, you are doing pretty good. Make sure the speakers are toed in toward the listening position with the tweeters at ear level. As for subwoofer placement, different spots will produce different frequency responses, I can only say try different things and see what you like best. A lot of this is simply a matter of preference. I would run the sub with both ports open and set to EQ 2 with Q between .5 and .7 to start with.
post #3407 of 4060
Wow, thanks for the great and quick replies. I went to download a spl app on my phone and turned out I already had one and just forgot lol.

The thing about my sub placement is that I really want to keep it where I have it because I have all the speakers wires and cables running in the wall and that is the only spot I made a sub connection. I just didn't know if a better starting point would be to have it facing toward the main couch and towards all the open area or to have it facing the other way that has a wall straight across from it.

Now for the speakers... I guess from most reviews I have read it was better to have them all set to small, but maybe I am wrong. I don't fully understand what it changes, but thought having them on small let the sub do more work for bass.
post #3408 of 4060
Yes, you will want the speakers set to small. It won't matter too much which way the subwoofer is facing, only where it is placed.
post #3409 of 4060
Well I know this is going to sound contrary to popular belief so here I go...I have a VTF-15H and Definitive Technology BP8060ST towers. The towers have powered subs in them. I have not arrived yet to be sure in my opinion. Rather typing out loud...Originally I set the towers to 80hz crossover. I have recently set them to full band and yes on the subwoofer setting. Some AVR's may say full band plus for this feature. I feel like the towers have been released to shine. I did turn the gain from 1 o'clock on the towers to 11 o'clock for the built in amplifier. Thoughts?
post #3410 of 4060
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Well I know this is going to sound contrary to popular belief so here I go...I have a VTF-15H and Definitive TechnologyBP8060ST im used to car audio an not to much on the home audio side of things towers. The towers have powered subs in them. I have not arrived yet to be sure in my opinion. Rather typing out loud...Originally I set the towers to 80hz crossover. I have recently set them to full band and yes on the subwoofer setting. Some AVR's may say full band plus for this feature. I feel like the towers have been released to shine. I did turn the gain from 1 o'clock on the towers to 11 o'clock for the built in amplifier. Thoughts?
Three subs will work better than one. All that differs about your arrangement is that two of your subs share the same boxes as your mains. You'll probably get best results if the sub amps in the 8060s are driven by the LFE output and the VTF is placed in the back of the room.
post #3411 of 4060
Unpacked VTF-15...

Did any of you keep the box w/ styrofoam inserts ?

I was wondering if i should keep this giant box or not?
post #3412 of 4060
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

Unpacked VTF-15...

Did any of you keep the box w/ styrofoam inserts ?

I was wondering if i should keep this giant box or not?

I kept mine. If you ever sell it, or have to send it in for repair, the original box is pretty much a must.
post #3413 of 4060
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

I kept mine. If you ever sell it, or have to send it in for repair, the original box is pretty much a must.

That's a definite.
post #3414 of 4060
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Three subs will work better than one. All that differs about your arrangement is that two of your subs share the same boxes as your mains. You'll probably get best results if the sub amps in the 8060s are driven by the LFE output and the VTF is placed in the back of the room.

Due to room layout placing the 15H anywhere than it is, is not possible. I did buy the Y splitter and two more 6 ft connectors to connect the 8060 towers if I wanted. Dr. Hsu told me the 15H will provide all I need for bass. room is 14x16 with one end completely open. That entire distance is 32ft including the 16ft on the open part. But I have wanted to try it out. I am getting a Marantz 5007 soon and looking forward to using audyssey Multi EQ XT. Right now I only have audyssey 2 EQ witch doesn't EQ the sub, so the 15H has been a bit tough to find the appropriate levels for it. I'm not sure how the audyssey calibration will go if I had the 15H and both towers connected LFE. Your thoughts Bill? Also do you know some good links for learning about sound eq, using a db meter and so forth. I am pretty new on my journey. Thanks!


post #3415 of 4060
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Due to room layout placing the 15H anywhere than it is, is not possible.
Why not? Sorry, but 'impossible' isn't part of my vocabulary. And what are those speakers hanging on the wall?
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do you know some good links for learning about sound eq, using a db meter and so forth.
You'll find the level of expertise in those topics far higher in the DIY section, where most posters have them, so look around there, even if you haven't built your own speakers.
post #3416 of 4060
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Why not? Sorry, but 'impossible' isn't part of my vocabulary. And what are those speakers hanging on the wall?

Crazy timing, just checked the forums this morning...The speakers on the wall are Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 1000's. Same tweeter's and midrange drivers as my entire setup. As far as relocating the sub you are right. It can be moved but an end table or a chair would need to be sacrificed. So are you familiar with audyssey? Not sure how it would deal with LFE to the sub and both towers.
post #3417 of 4060
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Crazy timing, just checked the forums this morning...The speakers on the wall are Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 1000's. Same tweeter's and midrange drivers as my entire setup.
Fine, but what are they doing there?
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As far as relocating the sub you are right. It can be moved but an end table or a chair would need to be sacrificed.
There's no reason why a sub can't be a table. Not so comfortable as a chair, though.
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So are you familiar with audyssey? Not sure how it would deal with LFE to the sub and both towers.
I don't use it myself, but as it tries to arrive at flat response at the LP, and response is the sum of all the sources, I don't see any issue with it.
post #3418 of 4060
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Fine, but what are they doing there?

Most likely they are his front height speakers.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-pro-logic-iiz.html
post #3419 of 4060
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice

Fine, but what are they doing there?
Most likely they are his front height speakers.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-pro-logic-iiz.html[/QUO

Front Heights...
post #3420 of 4060
^please enlighten us
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