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post #3421 of 3929
Hi, is there an equivalent product in the UK, I really like the sound of this sub, never owning a sub I wanted a really big bass sound. Shipping is loads to the UK frown.gif

cheers
post #3422 of 3929
Question: newbie VTF-15h owner...

If i want more "oomph" from the sub, should i up the level within the receiver or turn the Volume up on the sub?

When i ran Audyssey, it set the LFE to like -12db or so on the Onkyo levels.....? hmm

I really like to feel the power....

thanks
post #3423 of 3929
Turn the volume up on the receiver's subwoofer channel. Audyssey always sets the sub low, its no fun at the normal settings.
post #3424 of 3929
What settings did you use to set up the 15H? Dr. Hsu has a specific recommendation that is used for setting up with Audyssey. Search this thread, it is here somewhere. After running Audessey then you can set the ports, Q, and Eq. as you want. Have you done the subwoofer crawl? You may be sitting in a null.
post #3425 of 3929
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Question: newbie VTF-15h owner...

If i want more "oomph" from the sub, should i up the level within the receiver or turn the Volume up on the sub?

When i ran Audyssey, it set the LFE to like -12db or so on the Onkyo levels.....? hmm

I really like to feel the power....

thanks

I just asked this in the audyssey forum today. Technically you want it to be from -3db to +3db ideally after audyssey. They said if it was like -5db it's no big deal. But they said never turn up the gain knob after you run audyssey only the db level in the AVR settings. I have the 15H too.
post #3426 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

Question: newbie VTF-15h owner...

If i want more "oomph" from the sub, should i up the level within the receiver or turn the Volume up on the sub?

When i ran Audyssey, it set the LFE to like -12db or so on the Onkyo levels.....? hmm

I really like to feel the power....

thanks


-12 means that your sub volume is too high. You need to lower it and rerun Audyssey (1st position only) and repeat as necessary until the sub level in the receiver is +/- 3 db. Then you run Audyssey in all positions. If you want to bump it a little afterwards to suit you taste that's fine.

There is a thread for Audyssey that'll help you out a lot:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21782993
post #3427 of 3929
I just got my 15H delivered today and cannot believe how big it is. Until you see it in person it's hard to imagine.
post #3428 of 3929
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I just got my 15H delivered today and cannot believe how big it is. Until you see it in person it's hard to imagine.

Your eyes will mellow it out a little. And then you will walk up to it and remember how big it is. I just had a friend stop by and be amazed at it
post #3429 of 3929
wow. this thread has been kinda dead. Tell me about your experience with audyssey and your 15H...
post #3430 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

wow. this thread has been kinda dead. Tell me about your experience with audyssey and your 15H...

It's called not being the flavor of the month sub.

I recently received my Onkyo 809 and was able to get Audyssey to blend them together. With a theater room the size of mine, it's easy for two 15H's to totally take over.

Just watched Taken 2 the other night. While no bass fest, the twin beasts showed up a couple times. Having some friends over this weekend so I'm going to turn them lose and bring the walls down.
post #3431 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

wow. this thread has been kinda dead. Tell me about your experience with audyssey and your 15H...

It's called not being the flavor of the month sub.

I recently received my Onkyo 809 and was able to get Audyssey to blend them together. With a theater room the size of mine, it's easy for two 15H's to totally take over.

Just watched Taken 2 the other night. While no bass fest, the twin beasts showed up a couple times. Having some friends over this weekend so I'm going to turn them lose and bring the walls down.

I watched it last night too. I had hoped for more bass. The gun shots weren't anything like the first one.
post #3432 of 3929
I know that I'm going to be subjected to watching Hotel Transylvania weekend. Wish me luck....lol.
post #3433 of 3929
Onkyo Receiver HDMI failing....needing another unit....Looking to move beyond mass market...


Emotiva, Outlaw as preamp/amp combo?

Anyone have any suggestions....
thanks
post #3434 of 3929
First movie tried out was Iron Man. Went to the part where they fire the Jericho missile. It was awesome. Its not fair to compare but it blew Polk PSW10 sub i was using. So it should given the price difference. Felt it in my stomach.
post #3435 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Your eyes will mellow it out a little. And then you will walk up to it and remember how big it is. I just had a friend stop by and be amazed at it


Im going to use it as an end table as soon I get a longer cable.
post #3436 of 3929
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Originally Posted by solat152 View Post

First movie tried out was Iron Man. Went to the part where they fire the Jericho missile. It was awesome. Its not fair to compare but it blew Polk PSW10 sub i was using. So it should given the price difference. Felt it in my stomach.

If you have Avatar in blu-ray check out the THX trailer after the credits at the end of the movie.
post #3437 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84

Your eyes will mellow it out a little. And then you will walk up to it and remember how big it is. I just had a friend stop by and be amazed at it

Im going to use it as an end table as soon I get a longer cable.

I was actually thinking the same thing. Replacing one to the left of my couch. I would need about a 35 ft cable. I have it in the far corner to the right of my tv, tv stand and front tower speakers.
post #3438 of 3929
It took about 10 days to find all the right options for the sub in my system. I eventually settled on sealed and .6 q. The settings from audyssey are never just right for me. I had to move the sub around a few times , a foot here ,afoot there. I slightly tweaked the power level and the channel levels as well. Once its dialed in now I am really happy.
Now can't wait until my new front stage speakers come from tekton .
post #3439 of 3929
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post #3440 of 3929
Well I ran audyssey Multi EQ XT and got it to read the sub at -3.0db. I had to turn the gain down a bit to get it there. probably like 7:45...or more. I did up it on the avr from -3.0 to 1.0 which is friendly with audyssey. It sounds very good with movies but I feel like it's lacking in music
post #3441 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Well I ran audyssey Multi EQ XT and got it to read the sub at -3.0db. I had to turn the gain down a bit to get it there. probably like 7:45...or more. I did up it on the avr from -3.0 to 1.0 which is friendly with audyssey. It sounds very good with movies but I feel like it's lacking in music

I kind of felt that way too initially. You have to get used to the idea that not all music has ground pounding bass. Same with movies.

Give yourself time and you'll appreciate what your hearing. My VTF-15H blows away my old Velodyne. Bass wasn't consistent with my Velodyne in music due to the "bell curve" shape of the frequency response. Now when the bass player goes up and down the scale I hear all of the notes. The sound only softens or get louder when it's intentional by the bass player.
post #3442 of 3929
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I kind of felt that way too initially. You have to get used to the idea that not all music has ground pounding bass. Same with movies.

Give yourself time and you'll appreciate what your hearing. My VTF-15H blows away my old Velodyne. Bass wasn't consistent with my Velodyne in music due to the "bell curve" shape of the frequency response. Now when the bass player goes up and down the scale I hear all of the notes. The sound only softens or get louder when it's intentional by the bass player.

What did audyssey set your bass level at? And did you bump it up a couple of db's?
post #3443 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Well I ran audyssey Multi EQ XT and got it to read the sub at -3.0db. I had to turn the gain down a bit to get it there. probably like 7:45...or more. I did up it on the avr from -3.0 to 1.0 which is friendly with audyssey. It sounds very good with movies but I feel like it's lacking in music

Make sure your speakers are set to small (after running Audyssey you almost always have to do this as it wants to set them to large). Also try adjusting the crossover point. Audyssey detects the rolloff of your speakers and will set the crossover to that. You could be lacking bass because of this. I would set it to 80hz if you have not already as a starting point.
post #3444 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

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I kind of felt that way too initially. You have to get used to the idea that not all music has ground pounding bass. Same with movies.

Give yourself time and you'll appreciate what your hearing. My VTF-15H blows away my old Velodyne. Bass wasn't consistent with my Velodyne in music due to the "bell curve" shape of the frequency response. Now when the bass player goes up and down the scale I hear all of the notes. The sound only softens or get louder when it's intentional by the bass player.

What did audyssey set your bass level at? And did you bump it up a couple of db's?

I think mine is at -1. Keep in mind what -1 or -3 or +2 means is that your receiver had to lower or raise the sub channel to compensate for the volume level on the sub itself. The exact number is not important as long as it's somewhere between -3 and +3.

I have the SMS-1. After Audyssey I did some adjusting with that. Also, I raised the Q on my sub from .7 to .5. I did bump up the sub level with the volume control on the SMS-1 to compensate for my adjustments.

As ack_bk said, make sure your speakers are set to small. Also, check the crossover points for your speakers. 80Hz is the recommended setting, but you can try other points to see if there is an improvement. Remember that you can raise the crossover from where your receiver set them, but don't lower them. For my setup 120Hz works real well.
post #3445 of 3929
Boy, 2 weeks of having my HT room down makes me appreciate how I can experience my favorite movies again. The past days I watched Cloverfield, Amadeus, and Dredd. I was blown away all over again with this sub and paired up with my Klipsch's, even for non-earthshaking bass movie like Amadeus! Cloverfield was just insane even at low volume and Dredd was pretty good too!
post #3446 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84

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I kind of felt that way too initially. You have to get used to the idea that not all music has ground pounding bass. Same with movies.

Give yourself time and you'll appreciate what your hearing. My VTF-15H blows away my old Velodyne. Bass wasn't consistent with my Velodyne in music due to the "bell curve" shape of the frequency response. Now when the bass player goes up and down the scale I hear all of the notes. The sound only softens or get louder when it's intentional by the bass player.

What did audyssey set your bass level at? And did you bump it up a couple of db's?

I think mine is at -1. Keep in mind what -1 or -3 or +2 means is that your receiver had to lower or raise the sub channel to compensate for the volume level on the sub itself. The exact number is not important as long as it's somewhere between -3 and +3.

I have the SMS-1. After Audyssey I did some adjusting with that. Also, I raised the Q on my sub from .7 to .5. I did bump up the sub level with the volume control on the SMS-1 to compensate for my adjustments.

As ack_bk said, make sure your speakers are set to small. Also, check the crossover points for your speakers. 80Hz is the recommended setting, but you can try other points to see if there is an improvement. Remember that you can raise the crossover from where your receiver set them, but don't lower them. For my setup 120Hz works real well.

Yes I set them all to small and 80hz even though audyssey set my fronts and center to large and full band. I adjusted sub level from -3db to +1db...Maybe to +3...I have the sub at 2 ports open, eq 2 and q set at .3
post #3447 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Yes I set them all to small and 80hz even though audyssey set my fronts and center to large and full band. I adjusted sub level from -3db to +1db...Maybe to +3...I have the sub at 2 ports open, eq 2 and q set at .3

just for the good of the order, AUdyssey doesn't set crossovers, the receiver manufacturers keep that for themseves (unfortunately). And you did exactly what Audyssey has been recommending for several years that we do when our receivers set speakers to "large."
post #3448 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

Onkyo Receiver HDMI failing....needing another unit....Looking to move beyond mass market...


Emotiva, Outlaw as preamp/amp combo?

Anyone have any suggestions....
thanks
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post #3449 of 3929
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

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What speakers do you have? I am Onkyo and Denon, and definitely would recommend Denon. Audyssey XT would be nice to have. Whether or not you need a dedicated amp depends on your speaker impedance and sensitivity.
post #3450 of 3929
Hsu Hybrid 15 (vtf-15 subwoofer)
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