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post #3691 of 5097
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

What are your main speakers ? Nice lookin


They look like Polks...RTIA9's.

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post #3692 of 5097
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Originally Posted by techjunky2 View Post

Lovin life with the second VTF-15H! Wow is all I can say!
nice to see another polk fan...i love my a7's. one thing you might try is spacing out your a9's farther and toe them in slightly. then place subs on inside of the towers. another member recomended this to me and it made a huge difference.
post #3693 of 5097
Nice setup techjunky2!
post #3694 of 5097
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Originally Posted by techjunky2 View Post

Lovin life with the second VTF-15H! Wow is all I can say!

Beautiful setup! The VTFs look happy in their home.
post #3695 of 5097
Yes to the question if the mains are Polk RTI A9's......My surrounds are also RTI A9's. Took delivery of my second "Rosewood" VTF-15H last thursday. Ive been tweaking settings and rerunning Audyssey setup a few times. Went out and bought a SPL meter and level matched all the speakers. That made a noticible difference for sure. Interesting tip "basehead81" about toeing in the A9's and bringing the subs inside....what did you gain by doing that in your setup? By the way, I dont normally have my speaker covers off. I was just showing off my "Wall of Power". wink.gif Heres a pic of how it looks day to day. Thanks for the compliments and suggestions guys!
post #3696 of 5097
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Originally Posted by techjunky2 View Post

Went out and bought a SPL meter and level matched all the speakers. That made a noticible difference for sure. Interesting tip "basehead81" about toeing in the A9's and bringing the subs inside....what did you gain by doing that in your setup?

There is actually science behind toeing in speakers, especially when it comes to calculating the angles used based on your seating distance. I believe THX has a whole setup guide on their site. It kind of reminds of the "subwoofer crawl" I read about in the VTF manual. By doing that you should be able to better direct the sound going to your sweet spot.

By the way, was that a Radio Shack SPL you got?
post #3697 of 5097
Spreading the front speakers out can widen soundstage and help mains blend to surrounds.
Dolby recommends 44-60 degrees between mains and "Both speakers should be equidistant to your tv (and from you)- a good setup is usually 3 feet away on each side."

I like my R and L speakers close to an equilateral triangle with the MLP (60 degrees) it is worth trying out to see what you like.

Toe in can widen sweet spot. Again it is something that should be tried out to see what you like. Here is a good article.

http://libinst.com/PublicArticles/Setup%20of%20WG%20Speakers.pdf

I only have three seats with my right speaker aimed at my farthest left seat, and left speaker aimed at farthest right seat.

I always suggest trying out different options as its a free way to tweak your system and can have sonic benefit. smile.gif
post #3698 of 5097
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Originally Posted by techjunky2 View Post

Went out and bought a SPL meter and level matched all the speakers. That made a noticible difference for sure. Interesting tip "basehead81" about toeing in the A9's and bringing the subs inside....what did you gain by doing that in your setup?

There is actually science behind toeing in speakers, especially when it comes to calculating the angles used based on your seating distance. I believe THX has a whole setup guide on their site. It kind of reminds of the "subwoofer crawl" I read about in the VTF manual. By doing that you should be able to better direct the sound going to your sweet spot.

By the way, was that a Radio Shack SPL you got?

Here's that THX site: http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/home-theater/surround-sound-speaker-set-up/

Dolby has one too: http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/setup/connection-guide/home-theater-speaker-guide/index.html
post #3699 of 5097
I have a couple Definitive Technology BP-8060ST towers. MLP is 11 feet back to the center seat on the couch. Both are towed in directly at this seat.

I know I mentioned it a week ago...I would like to hear your opinions, views and experiences with room treatments. There is a place called Accoustic Science Corp a block from my work. I never knew it was there until recent. But seeing it had me reading up on room treatments, the theory behind them and stuff like that. I couldnt see myself buying any of there products considering how expensive they are. I provide a link in case you wanted to look. Let me know what yall think!

http://www.acousticsciences.com/
post #3700 of 5097
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Originally Posted by techjunky2 View Post

Yes to the question if the mains are Polk RTI A9's......My surrounds are also RTI A9's. Took delivery of my second "Rosewood" VTF-15H last thursday. Ive been tweaking settings and rerunning Audyssey setup a few times. Went out and bought a SPL meter and level matched all the speakers. That made a noticible difference for sure. Interesting tip "basehead81" about toeing in the A9's and bringing the subs inside....what did you gain by doing that in your setup? By the way, I dont normally have my speaker covers off. I was just showing off my "Wall of Power". wink.gif Heres a pic of how it looks day to day. Thanks for the compliments and suggestions guys!


I will put on my grill covers from time to time but my twin 15H's always stay uncovered. Ready to attack at any second.
Edited by Prime316 - 4/4/13 at 1:33pm
post #3701 of 5097
Alright I did it.....moved the RTI-A9 fronts outside of the 15h's.....damb you for making me move them again! smile.gif Ran Audyssey again.....dont notice a huge difference, but im not moving them again for awhile!
post #3702 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post

Spreading the front speakers out can widen soundstage and help mains blend to surrounds.
Dolby recommends 44-60 degrees between mains and "Both speakers should be equidistant to your tv (and from you)- a good setup is usually 3 feet away on each side."

I like my R and L speakers close to an equilateral triangle with the MLP (60 degrees) it is worth trying out to see what you like.

Toe in can widen sweet spot. Again it is something that should be tried out to see what you like. Here is a good article.

http://libinst.com/PublicArticles/Setup%20of%20WG%20Speakers.pdf

I only have three seats with my right speaker aimed at my farthest left seat, and left speaker aimed at farthest right seat.

I always suggest trying out different options as its a free way to tweak your system and can have sonic benefit. smile.gif

Best Ive found for my speakers is setting them up where they did not toe in and are were 45 degree's apart from the center listening position. I used a calculator and just simplified how for apart the two fronts needed to be to hit the 45 degree angle from the center seat.
post #3703 of 5097
Tried the suggestion to move the RTI A9's outside the 15h's.....ran Audyssey again....didnt notice a huge difference, but im not moving these monsters again for awile!
post #3704 of 5097
Is there any objective data and measurements on their products? I personally would look elsewhere as they look pricey and without data that I could find on the site. If they have had their treatment third party tested please post results. Here are some sites I like for information and products.

http://gikacoustics.com/
I used gik 244 for specular reflections FWIW.
http://www.atsacoustics.com/

http://www.realtraps.com/info.htm

Also it is not too difficult to build your own specular reflection panels and corner traps. I did my corner bass traps in the rear myself with pink fluffy, and put pink fluffy above my drop ceiling.

If you have any questions regarding room treatments or a plan for your room I advise starting a thread in the Audio theory, Setup and Chat forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/91/audio-theory-setup-and-chat

Here are some good places for information finding.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1332114/master-thread-of-favorite-at-links

http://www.avsforum.com/t/255432/acoustical-treatments-master-thread

Here are a couple on bass traps.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1453370/do-bass-traps-produce-noticeable-audible-difference

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1456256/bass-traps

Here is my front sub before and after treatment. Sound was improved by better frequency response, and by better decay times so bass doesn't hang around and muddy things up.
Disregard below 40hz, I think I was using a different tune of the 15H.


post #3705 of 5097
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Originally Posted by techjunky2 View Post

Tried the suggestion to move the RTI A9's outside the 15h's.....ran Audyssey again....didnt notice a huge difference, but im not moving these monsters again for awile!

Try giving your mains a little breathing room from the subs.
post #3706 of 5097
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Best Ive found for my speakers is setting them up where they did not toe in and are were 45 degree's apart from the center listening position. I used a calculator and just simplified how for apart the two fronts needed to be to hit the 45 degree angle from the center seat.

Well its always best to try them out to see for yourself.smile.gif

I have horn loaded mains (klipsch) with controlled directivity, so it works out great in my room and my setup. Different speakers (off- axis performance) and setups will vary results.

I should also add that I can't move my mains in anymore anyways, they would block the projector screen. cool.gif
post #3707 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post

Is there any objective data and measurements on their products? I personally would look elsewhere as they look pricey and without data that I could find on the site. If they have had their treatment third party tested please post results. Here are some sites I like for information and products.

http://gikacoustics.com/
I used gik 244 for specular reflections FWIW.
http://www.atsacoustics.com/

http://www.realtraps.com/info.htm

Also it is not too difficult to build your own specular reflection panels and corner traps. I did my corner bass traps in the rear myself with pink fluffy, and put pink fluffy above my drop ceiling.

If you have any questions regarding room treatments or a plan for your room I advise starting a thread in the Audio theory, Setup and Chat forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/91/audio-theory-setup-and-chat

Here are some good places for information finding.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1332114/master-thread-of-favorite-at-links

http://www.avsforum.com/t/255432/acoustical-treatments-master-thread

Here are a couple on bass traps.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1453370/do-bass-traps-produce-noticeable-audible-difference

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1456256/bass-traps

Here is my front sub before and after treatment. Sound was improved by better frequency response, and by better decay times so bass doesn't hang around and muddy things up.
Disregard below 40hz, I think I was using a different tune of the 15H.



Thank for the reply and info! I'm at the point where I can't really buy anything else to add to my setup. Unless I upgraded or bought an amp to partner with my AVR. But that's not needed. Just from what I've read, room treatments seem to be one of the biggest improvements you can do for your sound. Anyway I will dive into those links. Thanks again! smile.gif
post #3708 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

Try giving your mains a little breathing room from the subs.
+1 and toe them in a little so they aim at your main listening position.
post #3709 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Saints View Post

+1 and toe them in a little so they aim at your main listening position.

Yes, with his original setup, the front stage was rather narrow and still is with the mains that close to the subs.
post #3710 of 5097
Has anybody ever gone from Audyssey Multi EQ XT to Multi EQ XT 32, with your 15h's. if so how was the upgrade on your sound?

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq
post #3711 of 5097
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Thank for the reply and info! I'm at the point where I can't really buy anything else to add to my setup. Unless I upgraded or bought an amp to partner with my AVR. But that's not needed. Just from what I've read, room treatments seem to be one of the biggest improvements you can do for your sound. Anyway I will dive into those links. Thanks again! smile.gif

Your welcome! If you have any questions, you can shoot me a pm. Hope it works out. smile.gif
post #3712 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

No. It usually sounds better that way.

I took this advice and turned my sub sideways along the wall. Since I only have one VTF, turning it sideways helped out not localizing where the sub was placed. Thanks Bill!
post #3713 of 5097
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

I took this advice and turned my sub sideways along the wall. Since I only have one VTF, turning it sideways helped out not localizing where the sub was placed. Thanks Bill!

Yea I am gonna try this this week. Right now I have it at a 45 degree angle facing out. Should I just turn it around at a 45 firing into the corner or have it parallel to the side wall firing into the other wall. And if so how much of a gap should I have?
post #3714 of 5097
Innovative porting and very nice finish.17.jpg18.jpg19.jpg20.jpg
Edited by Jeann1eary - 4/6/13 at 7:48pm
post #3715 of 5097
^with my current placement I have never had hardly any localizing
post #3716 of 5097
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Yea I am gonna try this this week. Right now I have it at a 45 degree angle facing out. Should I just turn it around at a 45 firing into the corner or have it parallel to the side wall firing into the other wall. And if so how much of a gap should I have?

Mine is in the same spot 45 degrees in corner. I turned it around and not much of a difference for me. Each room is a little different. It would have to be a big improvement for me to look at the back of the sub. I like seeing the big 15.
post #3717 of 5097
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Mine is in the same spot 45 degrees in corner. I turned it around and not much of a difference for me. Each room is a little different. It would have to be a big improvement for me to look at the back of the sub. I like seeing the big 15.


I agree, but I had one day this past weekend to 'test' different movies with the sub facing me and turned 90 degrees against the wall. I do not have the tools to actually see an improvement either way so I just let my ears hear and my body feel the difference.
Jlpowell, I would just make adjustments till you have it to your liking. It takes time but I finally tested quite a few of my movies to help me make the decision on sub placement.
post #3718 of 5097
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

I agree, but I had one day this past weekend to 'test' different movies with the sub facing me and turned 90 degrees against the wall. I do not have the tools to actually see an improvement either way so I just let my ears hear and my body feel the difference.
Jlpowell, I would just make adjustments till you have it to your liking. It takes time but I finally tested quite a few of my movies to help me make the decision on sub placement.

I too would rather have it facing out for appearance. But I am a sound nut with my music so I will probably play around, rerun audyssey and see how it goes. I do notice even with sitting back on my couch and leaning forward a couple feet dramatically reduces the bass. If it evened it out a bit more that would be nice. We will see.
post #3719 of 5097
For the first time I am curious about testing both ports unplugged and going to EQ2. Has anyone done that before? What about leaving one sub with 1 port plugged, the other both unplugged?

There is almost too many tuning options smile.gif
post #3720 of 5097
Riddle me this...

I will also post this in the respective Audyssey thread but wanted to get everyone's opinion.

I received my VF15 two weeks ago and recently re-ran Audyssey to calibrate my new sub as well as my Klipsch speakers. One problem that I am running into is that after calibration, Audyssey / Denon is setting my crossover for my towers (Klipsch RF-82ii) at 250Hz. This puzzles me because these towers are beasts with dual 8" woofers each. In addition, the spec sheet for the Klipsch towers have them tuned down to 33Hz. My towers are currently about 6 inches from the wall and in my searching online, I took recommendations to move them even closer to the wall (about 4 inches) and re-ran Audyssey with the same results. Right now I have adjusted the crossover down to 100Hz because the subwoofer should not handle frequencies that high and there was just too much bass. I would love some feedback on how to get my system to integrate a little better and bring down the crossover for the mains and actually have Audyssey calibrate them appropriately.

Thank you everyone in advance!
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