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post #4381 of 5097
I am very familiar with the VTF-3 HO's plus Turbos, but I have no experience with the VTF-15H. I think it comes down to sealed versus ported. At the Get Together in Pennsylvania last spring I was able to listen to the Submersive at length and if I was starting over I would get a Submersive. Excellent for both music and movies. Start with one and plan to get another Submersive later on when you can splurge. You might be a candidate for the new Master/Slave model Submersive. Get the Master now and when you are flush, get the Slave.

You should have no problems with tripping your breaker with the 2,400 watt amp which is powerful enough to drive both the Master and the Slave.

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post #4382 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Luis5150 View Post

jlpowell84,

I am aware from another thread that you got a sweet deal a pair of Seaton Submersive HP's, right? I am sure you've experienced what they sound like.

Can you describe the improvement in performance that I would get compared to what I currently have (Hsu Research)?

Have you listened to the JTR Captivator? I noticed these are not that much more than a PB13-Ultra (which I have been considering...)

And lastly, my concern with either Seaton or JTR, is my dedicated room currently don't have the needed "circuitry" in order to provide the neccessary AC "juice" to those massive subwoofer amps, like the Seaton 2400 watt one eek.gif Don't I run the risk of tripping my circuit?




You make a good point and I doubt the Seatons would trip a 20 amp breaker and may not a 15 amp either. Don't forget unless you have a dedicated line for your gear that there are other things on that circuit in your house. This was a big part of my decision to go with the 15H, I can run two with no problems the way my wiring is. I plan on being in a different home and dedicate a room just for HT within a few years and don't want to do many upgrades to my current home.
Edited by comfynumb - 10/2/13 at 10:46am
post #4383 of 5097
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

I am very familiar with the VTF-3 HO's plus Turbos, but I have no experience with the VTF-15H. I think it comes down to sealed versus ported. At the Get Together in Pennsylvania last spring I was able to listen to the Submersive at length and if I was starting over I would get a Submersive. Excellent for both music and movies. Start with one and plan to get another Submersive later on when you can splurge. You might be a candidate for the new Master/Slave model Submersive. Get the Master now and when you are flush, get the Slave.

You should have no problems with tripping your breaker with the 2,400 watt amp which is powerful enough to drive both the Master and the Slave.

Thanks. Dont want to get off topic since this is an Hsu thread, but if I got one it'd be the F2 dual front firing 15's.

Another good thing about subs, is sure they can have big amps, but they dont necessarily pull all of that and it can be misleading.
post #4384 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Luis5150 View Post

jlpowell84,

I am aware from another thread that you got a sweet deal a pair of Seaton Submersive HP's, right? I am sure you've experienced what they sound like.

Can you describe the improvement in performance that I would get compared to what I currently have (Hsu Research)?

Have you listened to the JTR Captivator? I noticed these are not that much more than a PB13-Ultra (which I have been considering...)

And lastly, my concern with either Seaton or JTR, is my dedicated room currently don't have the needed "circuitry" in order to provide the neccessary AC "juice" to those massive subwoofer amps, like the Seaton 2400 watt one eek.gif Don't I run the risk of tripping my circuit?

Ok, I haven't heard the Captivator but the sealed version ranked nearly identical in Archaea's Kansas City blind meet.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1387178/archaeas-kansas-city-blind-subwoofer-shootout-2012

You should read through that it will be very informative. I have said before and I will say it again I was very happy with the 15 H. But I am a bass head and I wanted more. I don't make lots of money so I knew I had to go straight to the top with each category of my system. Rather than five or six upgrades. I knew it had to be Seaton or JTR or DIY.

I really let the submersives loose last night. Probably like +15db to see what they have. This is where they really took off. And the crazy thing is they had a ton more to give. I hit 120db and they Weren't even moving. And here's the kicker I had both of them on one 15 amp circuit. Did not trip the breaker at all. From what I hear the speaker power amplifiers are very efficient. Just to be clear I was using my RadioShack SPL meter. It spiked at 114db. Now I know from experience it's about 10db short with bass. For example after audyssey, which sets everything to 75db even, it would read right at 65db on a test tone. Nonetheless it hit super hard and my shirt was vibrating, and the whole area I had it set up in was pulsating.
Don't worry about tripping breakers. If you upgrade go with Seaton Or JTR. PSA is good too but you would want to go with the Triax and that's almost 3k.

Also that infrasonic abilities were crazy. I tested out the super Lycan scene in underworld awakening. The hollow doors in the room were flapping violently and my windows were vibrating making noise. So I would ask you do you care about infrasonic ability? If so then you want sealed subs but the problem is it takes more. But I think the submersive of is a good mix. Otherwise reported captivate or might be the way to go for you. It will have more output than a submersive. But it also takes a dive under 20 Hz. You might get some good routine to 16 or 17 hz. But the ported captivator 2400 is a serious sub woofer and has crazy output.
Edited by jlpowell84 - 10/2/13 at 11:08am
post #4385 of 5097
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

I am very familiar with the VTF-3 HO's plus Turbos, but I have no experience with the VTF-15H. I think it comes down to sealed versus ported. At the Get Together in Pennsylvania last spring I was able to listen to the Submersive at length and if I was starting over I would get a Submersive. Excellent for both music and movies. Start with one and plan to get another Submersive later on when you can splurge. You might be a candidate for the new Master/Slave model Submersive. Get the Master now and when you are flush, get the Slave.

You should have no problems with tripping your breaker with the 2,400 watt amp which is powerful enough to drive both the Master and the Slave.

The master slave set uses a 4000 watt amp
post #4386 of 5097
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Thanks. Dont want to get off topic since this is an Hsu thread, but if I got one it'd be the F2 dual front firing 15's.

Another good thing about subs, is sure they can have big amps, but they dont necessarily pull all of that and it can be misleading.

Yes I prefer the look of the F2 as well but I couldn't pass up the deal that I was offered. Actually when it's all said and done I could see myself setting up both of my HPs as Masters and have 2 F2's as slaves!
post #4387 of 5097
Going back to the thread's main topic.... smile.gif I also wonder if and/or when the next VTF-15H version (MK2) will come out. The original has been out since 11/2010, it has been almost 3 years. It would be interesting to see what improvements the good ol' doctor makes on his original 15" incher design.
post #4388 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Luis5150 View Post

Going back to the thread's main topic.... smile.gif I also wonder if and/or when the next VTF-15H version (MK2) will come out. The original has been out since 11/2010, it has been almost 3 years. It would be interesting to see what improvements the good ol' doctor makes on his original 15" incher design.

I've wondered this too, and is why I may hold off buying a second 15h. I'd sell the current one and buy two of whatever the upgrade is!
post #4389 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Luis5150 View Post

Going back to the thread's main topic.... smile.gif I also wonder if and/or when the next VTF-15H version (MK2) will come out. The original has been out since 11/2010, it has been almost 3 years. It would be interesting to see what improvements the good ol' doctor makes on his original 15" incher design.

Hold on... is there official word on a Mark2 version of the VTF-15H coming out, or is this speculation?

I don't think they ever made a Mark2 version of the ULS-15...
post #4390 of 5097
Speculation.
post #4391 of 5097
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Originally Posted by Rumble Devo View Post

Hold on... is there official word on a Mark2 version of the VTF-15H coming out, or is this speculation?

I don't think they ever made a Mark2 version of the ULS-15...


Just speculating... keep in mind all his 12" ported designs have gone through "improvement" versions. I would be surprised if the VTF-15H doesn't go through it as well. And compared to the ULS-15, you have to understand Hsu sells a lot more VTF-15H's. The better selling models are bound to go through improvement versions, I would think.

Again... I am just speculating. smile.gif
post #4392 of 5097
If there is an update I hope they have a trade in program. It's the right thing to do. SvS does it for a year and PSA is also doing it for their Triax. This would definitely go a long way towards keeping me as a customer.
post #4393 of 5097
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If there is an update I hope they have a trade in program. It's the right thing to do. SvS does it for a year and PSA is also doing it for their Triax. This would definitely go a long way towards keeping me as a customer.

+1 to this

I would love to see a Amplifier / Driver or just an Amplifier upgrade kit for current owners.

Something in line with the current competition.. IE 600-750 watts, 1 band PEQ, ETC...
post #4394 of 5097
Send me driver and/or amp updates and it would be cool, I do that myself easily.
post #4395 of 5097
Mmm, just watched oblivion. Awesome movie and yummy bass! Had my throat vibrating on more than a few scenes!
post #4396 of 5097
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Mmm, just watched oblivion. Awesome movie and yummy bass! Had my throat vibrating on more than a few scenes!



Good movie and great sound!
post #4397 of 5097
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Mmm, just watched oblivion. Awesome movie and yummy bass! Had my throat vibrating on more than a few scenes!

Didn't that hurt? biggrin.gif
post #4398 of 5097
Oblivion was the first movie that I watched at a -15 on my MV. I really never play my movies that loud but Oblivion sounded so good at that volume!
post #4399 of 5097
LOL, Mine are usually -2.0 to +2.0.
post #4400 of 5097
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LOL, Mine are usually -2.0 to +2.0.

How hot does your Denon/Onkyo get at that volume? After my Oblivion session my 4311 was warm but I just think my towers want more power.
post #4401 of 5097
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

How hot does your Denon/Onkyo get at that volume? After my Oblivion session my 4311 was warm but I just think my towers want more power.



What kind of speakers do you have? My Revels are getting around 300 WPC @ 6ohms from my Sunfire amp and act like they want more. I have enough head room but a little more would be nice.
post #4402 of 5097
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

How hot does your Denon/Onkyo get at that volume? After my Oblivion session my 4311 was warm but I just think my towers want more power.

Denon got pretty warm, 818 seems to run cooler but it has two big ol fans.
post #4403 of 5097
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

What kind of speakers do you have? My Revels are getting around 300 WPC @ 6ohms from my Sunfire amp and act like they want more. I have enough head room but a little more would be nice.

I have the klipsch KLF20 towers, basically 2x 10" woofers with one mid horn and one tweeter horn. I would love to power it with something like that or an Emotiva just to take the strain from the 4311.
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Denon got pretty warm, 818 seems to run cooler but it has two big ol fans.

I basically have my 4311 in another part of the basement on a table, it is still a work in progress and I think I will add a a/c duct/fans when I get a rack built. Luckily the Klipsch sound great at lower volumes so (for now) the 4311 is handling the speakers well.
post #4404 of 5097
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

I have the klipsch KLF20 towers, basically 2x 10" woofers with one mid horn and one tweeter horn. I would love to power it with something like that or an Emotiva just to take the strain from the 4311.
I basically have my 4311 in another part of the basement on a table, it is still a work in progress and I think I will add a a/c duct/fans when I get a rack built. Luckily the Klipsch sound great at lower volumes so (for now) the 4311 is handling the speakers well.



I would think they would be a good match, Klipsch speakers are for the most part very efficient. What kind of power does the Denon have? Have you thought about an external amp? My old PSB Stratus Golds did not wake up until I pumped 400 WPC into them.
Edited by comfynumb - 10/6/13 at 12:09pm
post #4405 of 5097
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I would think they would be a good match, Klipsch speakers are for the most part very efficient. What kind of power does the Denon have? Have you thought about an external amp? My old PSB Stratus Golds did not wake up until I pumped 400 WPC into them.

I have only heard one time my speakers powered by a friends old two channel Mcintosh back in 1999, they sounded great! The 4311 is 'rated' at 140 wpc and it does sound great at lower listening volumes but I think my fronts would 'wake up' with a solid 200wpc going to them.
post #4406 of 5097
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

I have only heard one time my speakers powered by a friends old two channel Mcintosh back in 1999, they sounded great! The 4311 is 'rated' at 140 wpc and it does sound great at lower listening volumes but I think my fronts would 'wake up' with a solid 200wpc going to them.



That's not a big difference in wattage, but the extra current from a good amp would help.
post #4407 of 5097
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

That's not a big difference in wattage, but the extra current from a good amp would help.

I know that it isn't much of a jump but these are rated at 200watts continuous, 800 peak. I don't want to derail the VTF thread but I guess when I am ready I will consult the Klipsch thread to see how much I can power it up.
post #4408 of 5097
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

I know that it isn't much of a jump but these are rated at 200watts continuous, 800 peak. I don't want to derail the VTF thread but I guess when I am ready I will consult the Klipsch thread to see how much I can power it up.



Gotcha, best of luck smile.gif
post #4409 of 5097
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Gotcha, best of luck smile.gif

Np, How do you like the new sub?! What movies have you been watching? Have you tried The War of the Worlds, tom cruise one?
post #4410 of 5097
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

Np, How do you like the new sub?! What movies have you been watching? Have you tried The War of the Worlds, tom cruise one?



It's amazing! I watched war of the worlds the other night and I could to believe the difference. I'm trying to swing one more before the 30 days are up.
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