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post #7681 of 7863
I have digital cable with 2 HD DVR'S and 1 DTA. The DTA tunes HD just fine. ( am using hdmi)
post #7682 of 7863
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Originally Posted by blackcap93 View Post

According to TWC's FAQ regarding the new genre-based lineup, the distinction between HD and SD channels in the lineup will disappear, with both being assigned the same channel numbers:
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Where can I find High-Definition (HD) channels?

The new lineup is no longer broken up by HD and SD channels. HD converters will show you the best signal available of a channel or program, which is usually HD. SD converters, meanwhile, will show only SD channels.

What this means is if you tune to a cable channel that has both HD and SD feeds avialable on the cable system, HD boxes will tune to the HD feed, and SD-only boxes and DTA's will tune to the SD feed, something like how ke4pym's got his DirecTV program guide set up, except that the SD duplicates will be "hidden" automatically on HD boxes (and HD dupes on SD boxes) without having to change any guide settings.

 

A point of clarification, please.

Are you saying that in Charlotte anyone who has TWC but has only a DTA (digital TV adapter) can only receive SD, not any HD at all? Not even HD for the local channels?

 

Has TWC converted to all-digital in Charlotte, completely eliminating analog cable?

 

Here in Raleigh, TWC still offers analog cable service (though it does not prominently advertise it).

But that "analog package" does also offer the local stations in unscrambled digital (in addition to analog), which can be received (on a digital set) without any kind of box at all (clear QAM).

 

However, some of the channels that used to be available as part of analog cable have now not only been converted to digital but also scrambled. To continue watching those scrambled channels (even with a digital set), you need one of those small boxes that they call a DTA.

post #7683 of 7863
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Originally Posted by blackcap93 View Post

According to TWC's FAQ regarding the new genre-based lineup, the distinction between HD and SD channels in the lineup will disappear, with both being assigned the same channel numbers:
Quote:
Where can I find High-Definition (HD) channels?

The new lineup is no longer broken up by HD and SD channels. HD converters will show you the best signal available of a channel or program, which is usually HD. SD converters, meanwhile, will show only SD channels.

What this means is if you tune to a cable channel that has both HD and SD feeds avialable on the cable system, HD boxes will tune to the HD feed, and SD-only boxes and DTA's will tune to the SD feed, something like how ke4pym's got his DirecTV program guide set up, except that the SD duplicates will be "hidden" automatically on HD boxes (and HD dupes on SD boxes) without having to change any guide settings.

The crazy part about all this is that the majority of the Services available OTA /Satellite are all HD,service providers(TWC-Direct-etc) have to use the base band output in the IRD's to get non HD quality to their customers. They eventually will save bandwidth when they go all HD.
post #7684 of 7863
Veendon, here is the Charlotte area line up from Ch.2 till were it goes to all QAM;

Ch. Service Frequency
2 WBTV - CBS 55.25
3 61.25
4 WSOC - ABC 67.25
5 WTVI - PBS 77.25
6 WCNC - NBC 83.25
95 MUX 16 93.0000
96 TV Guide Channel 97.25
97 MUX 18 105.0000
98 111.0000
99 OCAP 117.0000
7 Mux 10 177.0000
8 WJZY 8 181.24
9 LEASED ACCESS 187.25
10 WAXN - INDEPENDENT 193.25
11 WCCB 199.25
12 WMYT 205.25
13 WUNG-PBS 211.2625
14 News 14 Carolina 121.2625
15 WNSC - PBS 127.2625
16 Mux 3 135.0000
17 Mux 9 141.0000
18 Mux 4 147.0000
19 WGN 151.2375
20 QVC 157.2375
21 Mux 8 165.0000
22 169.25
23 The Hallmark Channel 217.2625
24 TBS 223.2625
25 TCM 229.2625
26 TNT 235.2625
27 AMC 241.2625
28 USA 247.2625
29 FAMILY CHANNEL 253.2625
30 NICKELODEON 259.2625
31 LIFETIME 265.2625
32 CNN 271.2625
33 Headline News 277.2625
34 CNBC 283.2625
35 DISCOVERY 289.2625
36 A&E 295.2625
37 BRAVO 301.2625
38 Animal Planet 307.2625
39 ESPN 313.2625
40 FSN Carolina 319.2625
41 Weather Channel 325.2625
42 VH1 331.275
43 MTV 337.2625
44 SPIKE TV 343.2625
45 FX 349.2625
46 HGTV 355.2625
47 NICK Jr. 361.2625
48 TLC 367.2625
49 E! TV 373.2625
50 MSNBC 379.2625
51 Mux 1 387.0000
52 COMEDY 391.25
53 TOON 397.25
54 DISNEY 403.25
55 Food Network 409.25
56 TV LAND 415.25
57 FOX News 421.25
58 National Geographic 427.25
59 BET 433.25
60 SPORTSOUTH 439.25
61 WE 445.25
62 EWTN 451.25
63 UNIVISION 457.25
64 SyFy 463.25
65 History 469.25
66 Mux 2 477.0000
67 481.25
68 ESPN2 487.25
69 495.0000
70 NBC Sports 499.25
71 INSPIRATIONAL 505.25
72 513.0000
73 Home Shopping Network 517.25
post #7685 of 7863
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Originally Posted by ybsane View Post

Veendon, here is the Charlotte area line up from Ch.2 till were it goes to all QAM;

Ch. Service Frequency
2 WBTV - CBS 55.25
3 61.25
4 WSOC - ABC 67.25
5 WTVI - PBS 77.25
6 WCNC - NBC 83.25
95 MUX 16 93.0000
96 TV Guide Channel 97.25
97 MUX 18 105.0000
98 111.0000
99 OCAP 117.0000
7 Mux 10 177.0000
8 WJZY 8 181.24
9 LEASED ACCESS 187.25
10 WAXN - INDEPENDENT 193.25
11 WCCB 199.25
12 WMYT 205.25
13 WUNG-PBS 211.2625
14 News 14 Carolina 121.2625
15 WNSC - PBS 127.2625
16 Mux 3 135.0000
17 Mux 9 141.0000
18 Mux 4 147.0000
19 WGN 151.2375
20 QVC 157.2375
21 Mux 8 165.0000
22 169.25
23 The Hallmark Channel 217.2625
24 TBS 223.2625
25 TCM 229.2625
26 TNT 235.2625
27 AMC 241.2625
28 USA 247.2625
29 FAMILY CHANNEL 253.2625
30 NICKELODEON 259.2625
31 LIFETIME 265.2625
32 CNN 271.2625
33 Headline News 277.2625
34 CNBC 283.2625
35 DISCOVERY 289.2625
36 A&E 295.2625
37 BRAVO 301.2625
38 Animal Planet 307.2625
39 ESPN 313.2625
40 FSN Carolina 319.2625
41 Weather Channel 325.2625
42 VH1 331.275
43 MTV 337.2625
44 SPIKE TV 343.2625
45 FX 349.2625
46 HGTV 355.2625
47 NICK Jr. 361.2625
48 TLC 367.2625
49 E! TV 373.2625
50 MSNBC 379.2625
51 Mux 1 387.0000
52 COMEDY 391.25
53 TOON 397.25
54 DISNEY 403.25
55 Food Network 409.25
56 TV LAND 415.25
57 FOX News 421.25
58 National Geographic 427.25
59 BET 433.25
60 SPORTSOUTH 439.25
61 WE 445.25
62 EWTN 451.25
63 UNIVISION 457.25
64 SyFy 463.25
65 History 469.25
66 Mux 2 477.0000
67 481.25
68 ESPN2 487.25
69 495.0000
70 NBC Sports 499.25
71 INSPIRATIONAL 505.25
72 513.0000
73 Home Shopping Network 517.25

are all of those in use? that don't have an analog assigned to them? hmm? OCAP on 117MHz this wouldn't be the ODN carousel would it? I believe the ODN carousel here in North Texas is on 639MHz.
Edited by kevin120 - 1/11/14 at 5:32pm
post #7686 of 7863

Thanks for the channel lineup, ybsane.

 

I'm actually in Raleigh, not Charlotte.

The reason I'm interested in what's happening in Charlotte is that whenever TWC makes a change in Charlotte, there's a good chance that it will soon make a similar change in Raleigh.

 

I mainly watch TV OTA.

I have only the $20 per month "broadcast cable" package (up through channel 24 in the Raleigh lineup) as a backup in case OTA does not work well.

Also, "broadcast cable" has WGN America, which shows some baseball games, and it has C-Span and the local government channels.

post #7687 of 7863
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Originally Posted by veedon View Post

I have only the $20 per month "broadcast cable" package (up through channel 24 in the Raleigh lineup) as a backup in case OTA does not work well.

I do the same. I can honestly say I'm not paying TWC for ESPN! as it is on Ch-66 @477 mhz and Ch-51 on 387 mhz here..both which are trapped out (ch's 23 thru 73) ...analog and digital to boot! biggrin.gif
post #7688 of 7863
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Originally Posted by veedon View Post

I have only the $20 per month "broadcast cable" package (up through channel 24 in the Raleigh lineup) as a backup in case OTA does not work well.

I do the same. I can honestly say I'm not paying TWC for ESPN! as it is on Ch-66 @477 mhz and Ch-51 on 387 mhz here..both which are trapped out (ch's 23 thru 73) ...analog and digital to boot! biggrin.gif

 

In defense of ESPN, at least it is still pretty true to its "call letters". Plenty of SP, and I guess poker qualifies as E.

 

My decision to downgrade to the lowest cable tier available was partially a matter of cost and partially a protest against what I considered to be false advertising: an A&E with no A, no L on TLC, no M on MTV, and no N on FNC.

 

Now, WGN America, isn't quite the same as the broadcast channel in Chicago, but by having a few Cubs and White Sox games, it does have some of the feel of WGN.

post #7689 of 7863
New "genre based" channel lineup.

Didn't we just go through that a few years ago when they moved the digital locals from the 200s to the 100s?
post #7690 of 7863

Genre based? Is "reality dreck" a genre?

If so, then A&E, TLC, Discovery, MTV, and E! would all be grouped together.

post #7691 of 7863
Charter has presented a formal offer to buy TWC for $61.3 billion ($49.50 of CHTR stock and $83 cash per share), which has been rejected by TWC's board of directors, which wants at least $100 of CHTR stock and $60 cash per share for the company.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101323469
post #7692 of 7863
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Originally Posted by blackcap93 View Post

Charter has presented a formal offer to buy TWC for $61.3 billion ($49.50 of CHTR stock and $83 cash per share), which has been rejected by TWC's board of directors, which wants at least $100 of CHTR stock and $60 cash per share for the company.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101323469

I wonder how long before Comcast throws something in for an offer.?
post #7693 of 7863
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Originally Posted by ybsane View Post

I wonder how long before Comcast throws something in for an offer.?

Comcast doesn't have a lot of room to breathe in this due to the ownership limits. I could see Charter and Comcast making a dual bid/purchase and then they break up the markets where it makes sense. Malone has positioned SiriusXM where he can draw from their cash reserve so this deal is going to happen.

Kinda sucks. I need to call up RST and see if I can break out my shovel to help them trench fiber faster. I refuse to be a Charter customer.
post #7694 of 7863
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Originally Posted by ke4pym View Post

Comcast doesn't have a lot of room to breathe in this due to the ownership limits. I could see Charter and Comcast making a dual bid/purchase and then they break up the markets where it makes sense. Malone has positioned SiriusXM where he can draw from their cash reserve so this deal is going to happen.

Kinda sucks. I need to call up RST and see if I can break out my shovel to help them trench fiber faster. I refuse to be a Charter customer.

don't think the deal is going to happen TWC isn't wanting to merge with Charter and Charter has already said they aren't willing to pay $160 a share. They keep try to goad TWC into about $130 a share currently and TWC said no. Plus the ownership restrictions were shot down in court several years ago so no Comcast isn't limited.
post #7695 of 7863
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Originally Posted by kevin120 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by ke4pym View Post

Comcast doesn't have a lot of room to breathe in this due to the ownership limits. I could see Charter and Comcast making a dual bid/purchase and then they break up the markets where it makes sense. ...

don't think the deal is going to happen TWC isn't wanting to merge with Charter and Charter has already said they aren't willing to pay $160 a share. They keep try to goad TWC into about $130 a share currently and TWC said no. ...

 

TWC's board of directors rejected the offer, but Charter is going to present the offer directly to TWC's shareholders, who may be satisfied with that offer. The $130 per share offer already reflects the ridiculous 35% increase in TWC's stock price over the past year, an increase that only happened because of the possibility of a sale. If Charter stands strong, it could get the deal done at a price close to its current offer.

We'll see what happens.

post #7696 of 7863
Huah. Missed the ownership one.... Comcast still won't get to play with the whole thing. There's no way the FTC et al will permit it. If they do play, I think they will do a joint deal and break up the markets where it makes sense.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/16/us-timewarnercable-comcast-idUSBRE9BF1CJ20131216 and http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/FCCs-Pai-Id-Approve-a-Bigger-Comcast-But-Rest-of-FCC-Wont-126920 for the back story.

Anyway, the deal will happen. To think otherwise is just putting the proverbial head in the sand. The new CEO stands to gain about $56 million once the deal goes down. Further, TWC has had 2 quarters of significant subscriber losses (215k just this past quarter).

Now, could it come to play that TWC's board ends up running the show? Remember that little deal where AOL bought TW? AOL's board ran things for what? 20 minutes and then BAM. The old guard is back. Could happen again.
post #7697 of 7863
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Originally Posted by ke4pym View Post

Huah. Missed the ownership one.... Comcast still won't get to play with the whole thing. There's no way the FTC et al will permit it. If they do play, I think they will do a joint deal and break up the markets where it makes sense.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/16/us-timewarnercable-comcast-idUSBRE9BF1CJ20131216 and http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/FCCs-Pai-Id-Approve-a-Bigger-Comcast-But-Rest-of-FCC-Wont-126920 for the back story.

Anyway, the deal will happen. To think otherwise is just putting the proverbial head in the sand. The new CEO stands to gain about $56 million once the deal goes down. Further, TWC has had 2 quarters of significant subscriber losses (215k just this past quarter).

Now, could it come to play that TWC's board ends up running the show? Remember that little deal where AOL bought TW? AOL's board ran things for what? 20 minutes and then BAM. The old guard is back. Could happen again.

don't be so sure any deal is a for sure thing. Charter has specifically said no deal to a deal at $160 and the shareholders have said no to Charters offers as well they had a meeting Colorado and the shareholders agreed that TWC is right to reject Charter's advances. So I don't see a deal anytime soon. Just because you hear subscribers are bailing at an alarming rate the main issue was with the CBS debacle otherwise it would have not been as bad and not to mention the content deals TWC has recently made to add channels such as El Rey, and EPIX and not to mention the very long deal with Discovery pretty much means that they want to stay in the business. I honestly think TWC is just asking for $160 a share to keep Charters paws off.
post #7698 of 7863
Great quote from Marcus "Here’s what happened: We didn’t put our house up for sale, and we got a knock on the door and someone made a low-ball offer,” Marcus said in an interview. “They want a premium asset at a bargain-basement price, and that’s just not going to happen.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-13/charter-makes-61-3-billion-offer-to-acquire-time-warner-cable.html
post #7699 of 7863
Adding channels after losing over three quarter of a million subscribers in less than a year is irrelevant to the bottom line.
post #7700 of 7863
So far Time Warner is rejecting the merger proposal from Charter. But in this age of media consolidation, a merger of some sort may be inevitable. But with TWC being the larger company, do they have the leverage to prevent a hostile takeover? Seems like they would be the dominant force here.
post #7701 of 7863
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So far Time Warner is rejecting the merger proposal from Charter. But in this age of media consolidation, a merger of some sort may be inevitable. But with TWC being the larger company, do they have the leverage to prevent a hostile takeover? Seems like they would be the dominant force here.

TWC is bigger, but is it better? I don't know what kind of reputation Charter has as a cable TV provider or an internet service provider, but TWC doesn't impress me, and I'm not so sure that it's business decisions are so hot, either. This surge in the TWC stock price may not last much longer, so maybe TWC shareholders should take the deal.

 

I mean, CBS crushed TWC in those retransmission negotiations, and TWC also paid way too much for the right to Dodgers games in L.A.

post #7702 of 7863
Charter has recently converted to all digital and has expanded their HD lineup. HD pic quality is very good. Although no more clear qam locals. Everything is now encrypted and a digital cable box is required. And their internet service is good. But their customer service and billing aspect could certainly be improved. But probably typical of all cable cos.
post #7703 of 7863
There have been reports that some big TWC shareholders will accept $145 a share and now Charter is working with Comcast on a bid. My guess is that Charter will buy TWC for $145 a share and then sell the NYC market to Comcast.
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Charter has recently converted to all digital and has expanded their HD lineup. HD pic quality is very good. Although no more clear qam locals. Everything is now encrypted and a digital cable box is required. And their internet service is good. But their customer service and billing aspect could certainly be improved. But probably typical of all cable cos.

TWC picture quality is just plain awful so it looks like we would gain picture quality and lose multi-room DVR which Charter does not offer. In the investor presentation presentation, Charter also said they would get rid of switched digital video(SDV).

PDF presentation is at: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjE3MDgwfENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1
post #7704 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Charter has recently converted to all digital and has expanded their HD lineup. HD pic quality is very good. Although no more clear qam locals. Everything is now encrypted and a digital cable box is required. And their internet service is good. But their customer service and billing aspect could certainly be improved. But probably typical of all cable cos.

 

How does Charter compare to TWC in terms of the price for its cable TV packages?

TWC in Raleigh seems high, except for special promotional discounts. In fact, I think TWC is pricier here than in Los Angeles and NYC.

post #7705 of 7863
Veedon, I don't know what TWC's rates are, but for your comparison here's a picture of the Charter's July 2013 rate card for western North Carolina and portions of eastern Tennessee (click for full size):

Charter rate card for systems in western North Carolina


The Broadcast Surcharge is now $3.50, the Latino Tier is now $6.99, and the Interactive Services Fee is now $6.99 per receiver; all other rates are still current.
post #7706 of 7863
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Originally Posted by blackcap93 View Post

Veedon, I don't know what TWC's rates are, but for your comparison here's a picture of the Charter's July 2013 rate card for western North Carolina and portions of eastern Tennessee (click for full size):

Charter rate card for systems in western North Carolina


The Broadcast Surcharge is now $3.50, the Latino Tier is now $6.99, and the Interactive Services Fee is now $6.99 per receiver; all other rates are still current.

 

That's not exactly the easiest price list to decipher, is it?

I assume that the $60 Charter Select package is either an analog package or a digital package that has no HD channels whatsoever.

 

So what is Charter's "regular price" for typical digital cable that actually provides HD channels?

Let's see: $66 for Digital Home, plus $5 for an HD receiver, plus $5 for Digital View (no idea what that is, but I assume you have to buy one of those "tiers" to get any HD programming beyond the local channels).

 

So, that's $76 (plus taxes and fees) just for a pretty typical level of service.

If you want DVR service, add on another $10.

 

Gee, cable TV is such a bargain!

I think TWC in Raleigh is about the same price, or maybe $5 to $10 higher.

post #7707 of 7863
HD channels are included in each of Charter's service tiers; if an SD channel is in a particular tier, its HD version is in the same tier, at no extra charge (for example, TNT HD is in the expanded basic tier because the SD version has been in that tier).

There are a few HD-only channels, but they're part of the service tiers as well, again at no additional charge.

HD channels (aside from local stations) were part of a separate tier, but the new pricing scheme put in place in 2012 has done away with that tier and the distinction between HD and SD channels.
post #7708 of 7863
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Originally Posted by blackcap93 View Post

HD channels are included in each of Charter's service tiers; if an SD channel is in a particular tier, its HD version is in the same tier, at no extra charge (for example, TNT HD is in the expanded basic tier because the SD version has been in that tier).

There are a few HD-only channels, but they're part of the service tiers as well, again at no additional charge.

HD channels (aside from local stations) were part of a separate tier, but the new pricing scheme put in place in 2012 has done away with that tier and the distinction between HD and SD channels.

 

That rate card is still not designed for clarity, though.

Reading it again, I guess you can get a reasonably comprehensive package of HD channels for $66 (plus taxes and fees) by buying the $60 Charter Select package and then adding on a $6 charge for HD receiver/remote control/interactive programming guide. (The $66 Digital Home package speaks only of a standard receiver and mentions that an HD receiver is extra.)

 

Cable companies need to greatly simplify their package offerings and just include the price of the equipment (at least for just one TV set) in the package prices. I mean, what good is a package that contains HD channels if the set-top box cannot receive them?

 

The cable companies should also offer a pared down package at a price point around $45.

Not everybody wants a lot of channels.


Edited by veedon - 1/16/14 at 9:28pm
post #7709 of 7863
Ideally, cable systems would carry only HD channels (along with those SD channels that aren't available in HD), and send those to HD-capable equipment which can perform downconversion if needed for an old SD or analog TV.
post #7710 of 7863
My limited experience with Charter is at the OBX with a non DVR box. Biggest complaint, advertisements embedded in the guide.
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