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post #121 of 211
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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma View Post

Wait, is this the same Stinky-Dinkins from the neo-geo.com forums?

You know it Jedah, sit down if you start to get too excited.

When you get around to testing games out with the Gaming Mode let me know how the lag compares, I'm supposed to be hooking a 360 up to one of these things the type of lag you're talking about using that other preset would ruin it for me.
post #122 of 211
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post


You know it Jedah, sit down if you start to get too excited.

When you get around to testing games out with the Gaming Mode let me know how the lag compares, I'm supposed to be hooking a 360 up to one of these things the type of lag you're talking about using that other preset would ruin it for me.

I know. I'm trying to keep myself composed.

I'll be hooking it up again tonight. Yea if I can't get things playing with little to no lag, I may have to return it. Sad as it's a beautiful set otherwise.
post #123 of 211
So tonight was round 2 of my Sony HX800 test. Yesterday's test went decent, but the lag was noticeable. So following Stinky's advice, which I'm not sure why I didn't try it before, I changed the picture setting to game mode.

Games were tested on a 60 gig PS3 with HDMI out and RGB limited settings (as recommended on the previous pages).

I went through games that not only demanded split second timing but also games I was very familiar with the timing on my Sony 970 HD CRT. First test game, Metal Slug. The first difference I noticed was just how bright and vibrant the picture was. The game mode made everything pop (though I did have to adjust the sharpness down from the default).

From the get go I could tell a big difference with the TV in game mode. Jumping and shooting seemed more on time. So instead of trying another game, I figured I'd go all the way to the fastest game in the lineup: Afterburner Climax. Again, the game mode seemed to compensate for the lag I previously experienced even when I was flying at full speed.

If I really wanted to be anal, I probably could discern a hint of lag, but as far as my personal enjoyment I couldn't be happier. This set is amazing in my books.
post #124 of 211
Awesome man, glad to see the game mode actually makes the difference.

Looks like the set will work out fine for me then.

If anyone has calibrated settings for a 360 using Game Mode feel free to post 'em.
post #125 of 211
How would one enable game mode on this TV?
post #126 of 211
Press the Scene button on the remote and select the Game mode option.
post #127 of 211
I tried Omars settings (Thanks BTW) and they look pretty good. One question though...why is it that picture looks a little bit less "sharp" or clear when the TV is in Cinema mode than in standard? It seems to soften the image a bit.
post #128 of 211
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Originally Posted by mRak View Post

I tried Omars settings (Thanks BTW) and they look pretty good. One question though...why is it that picture looks a little bit less "sharp" or clear when the TV is in Cinema mode than in standard? It seems to soften the image a bit.

De ja vue. I thought I answered this exact question recently...? Anyway, the answer is that the set employs Sharpness in different incrimental degrees for the different Modes. A Sharpness of 3 in Cinema mode is equal to a Sharpness of just 1 in Standard. So setting Standard mode to 3 is like setting Cinema mode to 9! The Sharpness levels that I've found to not cause image degradation is a Sharpness of 4 in Cinema mode or of 1 in Standard mode. Any more than this and you are oversharpening the image and losing detail for what is only perceived clarity.

Omar
post #129 of 211
Hi guys, got a 55" HX800 and S470 player and want to calibrate using the AVS 709 disc. Problem I'm having is I cant adjust any settings whilst the test patterns are up, and they wont change if I switch to TV and back anyway.
I'm obiviously missing something so if anyone can help it would be great.

Thanks.
post #130 of 211
I have the 40 inch HX800 which is my first flat screen (previously I used a Sony WEGA KV24FS120 CRT). It has taken some time for me to learn about the Sony and all the various menu settings. My settings post is what I arrived at, it is a combination of using a calibration disc, suggestions and information in the Sony imanual, and what looks subjectively good to me. These are the settings I use for DVD and Bluray movie playback on either a Denon 4010 Universal player or Pioneer DV58 DVD player via HDMI up-scaled to either 1080P or 1080P/24. As Puffmiao noted in his post, the combination of Motionflow: Smooth and Cinemotion: Auto 1 does produce some artifacts- too bad since I really liked the way this arrangement looked. If I fed it 1080/24 set like that, motion was smooth as glass and the picture took on more depth and became more 3D, the only way I can describe it is it makes you feel as if you are the cinematographer behind the camera. One question: I read here that "auto 1" does "3:2 pulldown" does this mean I don't need to output 1080/24 frames from my Denon? While there was the mentioned artifacting, anyone who has the ability to send 1080P/24 frames from their DVD player while using the "Motionflow smooth" and "Cinemotion auto 1" setting on the Sony might like to try this out if they have'nt already. I found it to be far superior to any other mode of operation, but because of the artifacting I don't list it as my setting here. Anyway here's my settings for DVD/BD movies, I'll post my TV settings later:

Backlight 6
Picture/Contrast 89
Brightness 52
Color 48
Hue R5
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness 5
NR: off
MPEG NR: off
Motionflow: Clear 1
Cinemotion: Auto 1
Black Corrector: off
Contrast Enhancer: off
Gamma -1
LED Dynamic: Low
Auto Light: off
Clear white: Off
Live Color: off
RGB Matrix: Auto

White Balance:
R gain 0
G Gain -8
B Gain -1
R Bias -1
G Bias -7
B Bias -1
post #131 of 211
Here's my setting for all inputs (cause I'm lazy )

Scene: Cinema
Backlight: 3
Picture: 90
Brightness: 50
Color: 52
Hue: 0
Sharpness: 0
NR: Off
MPEG Nr: Off
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Auto1
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: Off
LED Dyn. Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Low
White Balance:
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0
post #132 of 211
Is it me or movies look like HD-video on this TV? It's very clear, but movies do not have the "movie" quality.
I am using Omar's setting as-is with PS3 for playback and 24fps.
Is there some setting that would make it more film-like?
post #133 of 211
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Originally Posted by jimjianlin
Is it me or movies look like HD-video on this TV? It's very clear, but movies do not have the "movie" quality.
I am using Omar's setting as-is with PS3 for playback and 24fps.
Is there some setting that would make it more film-like?
If you have CineMotion turned on then try turning it off as it gives you that "video" look. Turn Motionflow to Clear 1. Also I've found turning on 24fps on with this set introduces far too much judder for my liking.
post #134 of 211
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Originally Posted by jimjianlin View Post

Is it me or movies look like HD-video on this TV? It's very clear, but movies do not have the "movie" quality.
I am using Omar's setting as-is with PS3 for playback and 24fps.
Is there some setting that would make it more film-like?

I like the ultra-smooth type image, you may want to give it a week of watching to let your eyes get used to it. Other than the occasional motion artifact caused by upscaling the 24fps image to 240fps, I find the image to be much more lifelike. The "film" look is actually very unrealistic when you compare it to real life, and it is a byproduct of early filmmakers in the 1920s having to use the very lowest flicker-free film rate possible to keep production costs (ie, celluloid) down. If they'd had the technology and pockets, they'd have certainly gone with much higher frame rates.

Omar
post #135 of 211
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Originally Posted by OmarF View Post

I like the ultra-smooth type image, you may want to give it a week of watching to let your eyes get used to it. Other than the occasional motion artifact caused by upscaling the 24fps image to 240fps, I find the image to be much more lifelike. The "film" look is actually very unrealistic when you compare it to real life, and it is a byproduct of early filmmakers in the 1920s having to use the very lowest flicker-free film rate possible to keep production costs (ie, celluloid) down. If they'd had the technology and pockets, they'd have certainly gone with much higher frame rates.

Omar

I have to agree, I'm just about willing to put up with the artifacting it looks so good in the "smooth", "auto 1" mode while outputing 1080P/24 frames from the Denon 4010. Not sure what the film look is, just know that this mode of operation gives a perspective I prefer to any other settings. Btw most theaters dont run real film projectors anymore do they?
post #136 of 211
Hello everyone this is my first post. I recently upgraded or thought I upgraded to a sony kdl55hx800p from costco from a Samsung LN46A650a. I have to say so far I think the Samsung has better and clearer picture. After this forums was recommended to me and reading some of the post I think My TV might need to be calibrated. Right now I have the 55hx800, Sony BDP-BX57, and Onkyo HT-S9300THX 7.1. My question is which I video essential video should I purchase to calibrate my home theater system? I was about to order the blu-ray one but I thought I would ask. This is my last ditch effort before I take the TV back to costco for another. The picture just is not as vibrant as my samsung. I followed Omars setting which was a better picture a little dark but clearer but notice he said we should use the disk to calibrate our system because each is different. Will the video essential help me calibrate 3d, netflix or streaming, blu-ray, sound, and SD television?
post #137 of 211
Hi All,

I am having a bewildering audio problem with the new HX800. My old SXRD I had my computer, cable box and PS3 going into the Audio Receiverwith HDMI cables for each one. Then an HDMI in the HDMI Out on the receiver into one of the HDMI ports on the TV. This worked flawlessley.

When hooking up my new TV my computer, ps3, cable box did not want to work properly with the same set up. Being that this TV has multiple HDMI inputs, I decided to hook up all 4 components (Xbox, PS3, Computer & Cable Box) to the HDMI ports. Used a toslink cable to hook up to the audo digital out of the TV. Everything seemed to work out except the computer, it kept only wanting to output 2 channel cause I think it was reading that there was only 2 speakers on the TV. The PS3, Xbox and Cable box worked with no issues and was getting Dolby Digital, DTS etc. with no problem. Everything seemed fine.

Today however it does not want to work, specifically the PS3. No matter what settings I used, the PS3 would only output 2-Channel. I did not change ANYTHING at all from yesterday to today, but all of sudden the PS3 acts like it is hooked up to only a 2 channel speaker system. It was working so well before that I had reprogrammed by harmony remote and all. For the life of me I could not figure it out.

So, I decided to hook up the PS3 back into the receiver to see what would happen. The set up is as follows: HDMI 4 on the TV has an HDMI Cable going into the HDMI Out on the Receiver. On the receiver I have the PC hooked up to HDMI 1, PS3 into HDMI 2 (similar to the way I had it with my old TV). Now all of a sudden I am getting Dolby Digital, DTS etc with the PS3 again.

The issue I have is the fact that for the PC I have a certain TV Video Settings, for the PS3 a different one. Since I am not able to get to get it work like it did yesterday I am forced to have both the PC and PS3 going through the receiver and both outputting into HDMI 4 on the TV. Xbox and Cable work great, PC workes great, but I have no f'n ideal what is going on.

Any idea of what may be causing this?
post #138 of 211
Just got the TV about a week ago and finally sat down this weekend and tweaked my settings. First thanks to Omar. Your settings were a great starting point, but as you said every tv set is different and can vary drastically from set to set.

I used HCFR with Spyder3 & AVSHD 709 disc to do the grayscale/white balance. Below is also my graph for RGB levels, and Color Temp.

Scene Mode : Cinema

Picture Mode : Cinema
Backlight : 5
Picture : 90
Brightness : 50
Color : 52
Hue : 0
Color Temp : Warm 2
Sharpness : +4
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction : Off

Motion Flow : Smooth
Cinemotion : Auto 1

Black Corrector : Off
Adv Contrast Enhancer : Off
Gamma : 0
LED Dynamic Control : Standard
Auto Light Limiter : Off
Clear White : Off
Live Color : Off

White Balance offsets
R-Gain 0
G-Gain 0
B-Gain -2
R-Bias +4
G-Bias +5
B-Bias -2

Color Matrix : Auto
RGB Dynamic Range : AUTO

Eco : Off
Power Save : Off
Ambient Light Sensor : ON

I was trying to get the colors as close together as possible, this is what I ended up with.
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post #139 of 211
What would be the ideal calibration settings if my primary viewing is going to be sports?

Thanks
post #140 of 211
Let me clarify my last request. I was trying to watch the NCAA tournament and used both Omar's settings and also used the original setting for sports that the television offers, btu on both there was some constant blurring with fast action movements and would like to correct it before football season comes. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
post #141 of 211
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Originally Posted by hookem2012
Let me clarify my last request. I was trying to watch the NCAA tournament and used both Omar's settings and also used the original setting for sports that the television offers, btu on both there was some constant blurring with fast action movements and would like to correct it before football season comes. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Turn off cinemotion.
Set motionflow to clear 1.
Scene selection to general.
post #142 of 211
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Originally Posted by Jeremy32 View Post

Turn off cinemotion.
Set motionflow to clear 1.
Scene selection to general.

Thank you
post #143 of 211
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Originally Posted by hookem2012 View Post


Thank you

No problem. I watch a lot of sports. I think you will be very happy with those settings. They also work the best for me on movies as well.
post #144 of 211
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Originally Posted by StellarZ View Post

Thanks guys... I keep switching back and forth and I just can't do Warm 2. I'm just too used to blue, so I went with Warm 1 ha.

That's what I think too, "Warm 2" setting looks way over saturated on colors to me with anything- DVD, Blu, or TV. Faces look burnt bronze even on folks not vacationing regularly in Hawaii. I use "Warm 1" for TV setting though, and "Neutral" for DVD/Blu. Not a fan of the cinema/theater button on remote either- if there's any feature on this TV I found to have a detrimental effect on PQ, that's the one. I'll be posting my TV settings this week.
post #145 of 211
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Originally Posted by dilberttv View Post

That's what I think too, "Warm 2" setting looks way over saturated on colors to me with anything- DVD, Blu, or TV. Faces look burnt bronze even on folks not vacationing regularly in Hawaii. I use "Warm 1" for TV setting though, and "Neutral" for DVD/Blu. Not a fan of the cinema/theater button on remote either- if there's any feature on this TV I found to have a detrimental effect on PQ, that's the one. I'll be posting my TV settings this week.

Remember, You can go to Theater mode & change to any settings You like. Then if You need Two sets of settings for HD-SD on One input You can flip flop. If someone gives You another set of settings, You can do an A-B compare...
post #146 of 211
anyone uses gaming mode as primary or all the time? i do. im curious to know peples pictures settings for gaming modes. mine is default right now
post #147 of 211
omar setting suck! Motionflow and cinema should be turned off. Any movie with CGI looks fake, and they don't mesh together. It looks very obvious there are in front of a green screen. And sports show motion blurr!
post #148 of 211
How do you get to these settings? Color Matrix : Auto
RGB Dynamic Range : AUTO

Eco : Off
Power Save : Off
Ambient Light Sensor : ON
post #149 of 211
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Originally Posted by nb4real View Post

omar setting suck! Motionflow and cinema should be turned off. Any movie with CGI looks fake, and they don't mesh together. It looks very obvious there are in front of a green screen. And sports show motion blurr!

Nothing but class and intellect, huh? Learn to contribute like a civilized human and your opinion might count for something, but thanks for your thoughtful contribution just the same

Omar
post #150 of 211
It's been 6 weeks since I got my 46HX800 and it's about time I contribute to this thread. It replaces a Sony KDL-36XS955 (CRT) that I've had for the last 6 years.

First off I want to thank everyone for their postings. That, plus what I've learned over the years, has helped me to get the picture on this set looking really sweet.

The speakers are not very good. I really have to turn it up to get to where my other TV was at a lower setting. Even then it's anemic.

The standard definition picture quality it not as good as I had hoped, but going from a CRT to a LCD and from a 36 4x3 picture to a 37.6 4x3 picture there is going to be some loss, but it's tolerable. There is only so much you can do with 480i.

The 16x9 DVDs look pretty good. Going from a 33" picture to a 46" there is some PQ loss, but not very noticeable.

HDTV, HD-DVD and Blu-ray is where this thing really pops. Of course, whether it's SD or HD, if your source material sucks ... but if your source material is great then WOW!

I'm really happy with this TV and I almost feel like I'm rediscovering my movies.

Here are my settings. I plan to tweak them some more (my son thinks I'm nuts), but I'm waiting to get through the break-in period (code name for procrastinating). I tried adjusting the white balance, but it just wasn't happening for me. I'm not familiar with it so it'll have to be for a later date.

Scene Mode : General
Picture Mode : Custom
Backlight : 5
Picture : 75
Brightness : 51
Color : 49
Hue : R2
Color Temp : Cool
Sharpness : 1
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction : Off
Motion Flow : Off
Cinemotion : Off
Black Corrector : Off
Adv Contrast Enhancer : Off
Gamma : -1
LED Dynamic Control : Standard
Auto Light Limiter : Off
Clear White : Off
Live Color : Off
White Balance offsets -
R-Gain : 0
G-Gain : 0
B-Gain : 0
R-Bias : 0
G-Bias : 0
B-Bias : 0
Color Matrix : Auto
RGB Dynamic Range : Auto
Eco : Off
Power Save : Off
Ambient Light Sensor : On

I hope that I have been of some help.
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