Sharp LC60E78UN [No Price Talk] - Page 32

I'm right there with you. I had originally left both settings off for everything including blu ray but was very annoyed by the panning blur. I've since turned on fine motion and set film mode to low when watching blu ray and am extremely happy now. I still leave both those settings off for my HD/SD cable viewing though as I find that fine motion adds noise and film mode adds ghosting. When I turn both off for TV viewing I don't have any added noise or ghosting issues.

I've had this TV for over 2 weeks and have done some extensive view trying to get it dialed in to my liking. I can say with out a doubt that once you find the settings that work for you it's a dream TV and the price you pay for the 60in is such a great feeling.

Drizz, I was coming from a 37" as well and can tell you my cable company heavily compresses my signal. SD wasn't bad on the 37", infact it was almost great, but I have to be honest and say it looks like garbage on the 60". Just remember that you are filling a 60" 16:9 screen with a 480i 4x3 signal when watching SD cable so your expectations need to be realistic. Some people have better SD signals then others but you have to be honest with yourself and remember that you can only do so much with what you have to work with. The bigger the screen the worse the SD signal looks. One thing this TV will do is amaze you on HD sources such as Xbox/PS3, HD cable and blu ray/HD DVD.

Just a reminder to get a calibration disk and dial your TV settings in personally. Try to stay away from using other peoples picture settings as not every TV is equal and not everyone's environments are the same. Room lighting can have an effect on TV viewing so try and calibrate each input(HDTV, Blu ray..etc) at the time when you most watch them and lighting is normal. As for SD cable viewing one thing I can say is that by turning my backlight setting down to -8 helped "mellow" out the dirt and noise.

Yeah, I'm sure the SD viewing will be far from great, but this will be a main viewing area tv, and sadly although HD tv's have been out for many years, HD cable signals aren't nearly as prolific as I would like.
I'm not sure what the compression will be like for me, as I'm changing providers to Telus Optik.

Good luck with that...lol I'll never go back to Telus for as long as I live. I'm on Shaw and find it trumps Telus in every area... internet, phone and TV.

SD for me also looks horrid. but HD is perfect. when i get my my next electric bill ill post if theres any significant difference, but i also have a new surround sound with a few subs so that could make it go up also. my insignia plasma was really warm, this one is mildly warm, not too bad. BTW film mode OFF makes everything look horrible, nothing is clear, too much shaking.

Did my measurements...

Without TV, my media center power draw was 198W total
With the TV (set to my normal viewing settings posted earlier, with power saver OFF) was 365W total
Total Wattage draw from TV alone: 167W

Thanks for the info! That's less than half the advertised wattage. Typically you see a savings from torch mode, but not to that extent. In any event, it's not that bad. 6 hrs/day * 365 days * 0.167kwh * $0.08/kwh = under $30/year to run.

Well, I ordered another one of these again today. I originally ordered one about a month ago but my wife convinced me that it was going to be to small to replace my 67" DLP. So I canceled the order before delivery just so I can have some more time to shop around. Of coarse it did not take long to convince her that anything bigger right now is a lot more expensive. So I ordered the Sharp again. As before its likely an interim set and will keep it for 2 or maybe 3 years.

Only thing that stinks at the moment is the stand I want for it is back ordered. So it will not be delivered until the 9th. Gives me a bit more time to find a new home for my DLP.

I still think going from 67" to 60" is a handicap but at least I will get a lot more space in my living room area. I believe after a week or so my eyes will adjust and prefer the 60" anyway. I only sit 8' away from my 67" and with 1080P sources at 2.35:1 it works pretty well but everything else gives me a serious case of wall eye vision. A DVD with a bad transfer running at full 16x9 is unwatchable. Hopefully going a few sizes smaller will help in this regard.

I had a 60" DLP and hated it, so I returned it for the Sharp 60". The picture quality is so much better in my opinion. I couldnt stand the DLP's sceen, it was like watching the tv through frosted glass. The focus was soft, as the entire outside foot of the screen had convergence errors on a checkerboard test pattern, with the red/green clearly visible on either side of the white lines. And this was a new set. I hope you post back and give us your opinion. I think you will be so much happier with the clarity, that the 7" wont even make a difference.

I have lived with pretty much the same issues with my DLP you have mentioned. I always excepted it because overall I thought its issues were better then the CRT rear projection sets. I used to have a Toshiba rear projection CRT widescreen TV from 2002 and it always had convergence issues and focus problems on the extreme left and right hand sides plus its own geometry and overscan issues. My DLP was not immune but at least the focusing was more linear and no convergence issues to speak of. I was always annoyed by the frosted glass issue especially at 8' away as well. Also my DLP has a lot of overscan and geometry issues as well. I honestly believe the frame for the TV is built so flimsy that it has partially sagged over the years. You really notice it on 4x3 mode and on widescreen movies with the black bars. Also my DLP has a lot of overscan and its a year or two before they added 1 to 1 pixel mapping so you can turn it off.

I think overall I will be happy with this set even though its smaller. To be honest it seems pretty much all 16x9 sets or more less the same anyway once your eyes adjust. Its certainly all the same information regardless of size. For example I have a 40" set in my bedroom I sit about 10' away from and I don't feel deprived in the least. Especially once the lights are turned off. In my home office I have 32" that I sit about 7' away and its just fine. Now I am sure if I tried to watch a 19" from 10' away I would have issues but in similar sizing they are all more or less the same. Especially when you factor in that they double in size once you get them home from the store.

Got mine today! Man it's a beast in the box!!! I have a Hummer H3, & even with the seats down with the back i could not get the box in. It was a tad too big. I thought it would fit for sure, being i got a 60" LG PK750 plasma home. Of course i could not wait to have it delivered, so i took it out of the box and laid it on some styrofoam in the back. All was good. But man they put some serious padding for this TV. My GF is a champ she helped me carry it up 3 flights of stairs to my apartment! With some motivation talk lol.

My thoughts so far is very bright compared to my LG 60"PK750 plasma which is ok. Bright is good for me. I just started playing with the settings. So far i like this. But much is still needed to calibrate. The blue is deff off well at least compared to my 60" plasma which seems right. The channel 6 Action News back round is a bright blue. With the sharp it is displaying it with a almost purplish blue. The green also seems to be a bit to pushed as well. On the Golf channel the green is a bit neon. But not too much.

Backlight: STD or -3, testing -7 also trying -10 at night
Contrast:31
Brightness (-7) trying out (-3)
Color: Between +2 & +3
Tint +1
SHarpness 0

Active Contrast: OFF
Color Temp: Mid or Mid High

I havent messed with any Hue, Saturation or Value yet. I have only had the Tv for a few hours. Ill check back in when i really dig into calibrating it .

i bot this tv from bestbuy's Jan sale - $1199. the backlight broke by power outage......

sharp doesn't have part to fix it so they offer me LC60LE820UN as a replacement......

is it a fair deal?

Its a much more expensive TV, so it is a fair deal if you like the PQ as well or better than this one. I watched them side by side in the store, and while neither was calibrated even close, and the LCD looked a little better than the LED, I am sure with proper calibration in a home, it would look as good or better.

the reason i bot it because i am not used to led......just doesn't look right

I called sharp again see if they have any non-led 60 available, they told me there won't be any non-led in the future......

will go to bb see if i like it or not...

thanks for your suggestion

LED should be able to be calibrated to "look the same" as the non-LED. You may need to change the color temperature of the default settings to a slightly "warmer" color temperature, and play with the backlight setting, but you should be able to get it to look the same. Dont go by the store settings. They use the MAX brightness settings to make the TV stand out under their bright lights. Maybe they will let you play with the user settings to adjust it in the store to see if you like it.

The biggest challenge you may have is finding one on display. When I was loking at this sharp they had 40+ tv's plasma, lcd,led running that were 40-50", they had 6 @ 55" in plasma&led, and 3 @ 60" (one of each).

Yea my BB did not have any on display. They guy said they don't normally stock them anymore. But it was part of the NCAA March Madness sale they had plenty in the back. I actually ended up returning my LC60E78UN for the LE831 60" LED. I found the picture not to be as "sharp" or crisp as the 831. Although the LE78 was a good deal. I felt more comfortable with at 2011 model. And the clunky border took away from the viewing experience for me. Compared to these new LED sets that have the seamless look. My new 831 Sharp LED has about just a 1" border around it. Which gives it the illusion that it is seamless with no edges. Which deff improves the picture quality for me at least. The 831 looks beautiful on the wall, but most important it has a better quality picture. But dont get me wrong. The LE6078 had a good pic too for the price.

So is that quattron extra pixel worth all the hype? My yellows on my non-quattron look pretty good. Couldnt tell any difference in the store.

Hmm thats a good question lol. I have not had a chance to compare the yellows let alone the colors. Im sure if you had them side by side the colors out of the box on the LED will be a bit overblown. I can tell you this, i have owned both TVs. I can tell you for sure that the LED LE831 has a much better picture and clarity. Especially the out of the box picture. The LE6078 seemed to have "noise" in the back round, however if you sit 10-12 feet from your TV depending on your eyes. It may have gone un noticed dare i say. Now it all boils down to you is it worth the extra $600 at least. Being the 831 is on sale. The 831 LED seems to have more WOW factor. But all eyes are different. I will say this the almost borderless frame on the 831 is so much more eye pleasing over the LE78. Its almost like looking through a "window" on the LE78 vs looking at a picture painted on the wall on the 831. Wants i turned off the Active Contrast on the 831 and did some minor tweaks i was drooling on the picture on 831.

PS: My 831 had a demo on showing a split screen yellow difference on the quatron yellow. It shows with the quatron the yellow is more "vibrant" dare i say perhaps a tad neon. Vs a deep yellow. It says something about it shows better gold/brass colors. I am not sure how much of this is a gimmick lol.

NEED HELP CONTROLLING SOUND OUTPUT:

I am currently running my sound through this Bose Companion 3 Series II Speaker Set..
(yes, these were my computer speakers.. but they sound better than this TVs speakers)


My problem is that I cannot adjust sound with the TV remote (speaker set does sound great, but does not incorporate its own remote).

My Specifics:
- I am currently taking my sound out of the TV via the Audio Output Red/White Jacks..
- My speaker set takes the feed in through stereo inputs (one 3.5mm male or one 3.5mm female)
- So I have connected the TV and speaker set with a "2RCA Male to 3.5mm Stereo Female Adapter" (pictured below)


The Issue:
- When I adjust the volume on the TV with the remote, it does not effect the Bose Speaker Set at all... I was hoping to completely silence the TV speakers, but use the TV remote to control the Bose set using the TV sound meter.

My Question:
- Does anyone know how I can connect my speaker set to the TV and use the TV remote to control the speaker sound???
- Would it make any difference if I can find a way to take the audio signal from the TV via the Digital Audio Output??

Thanks for any feedback,
Sorry if I'm not making sense..

Have you tried adjusting the option in the tv menu for variable audio output? I don't remember the exact menu name, but you should be able to find it. It might not work either, but is probably worth a shot.

On another note, thanks for the info on the tv. It looks pretty good with with BR, Xbox, and HD Optik tv.

I plan on buying a small-clearance wall mount and setting that up, but I would have a lot of work to do. Because this set is so big, a wall mount in the correct position would place it so that it covers the switch for my fireplace. So I may just look into getting a low voltage IR switch to put in there... and probably need an IR extender so the tv doesn't block the signal, then programming the fireplace on/off into a Harmony 880. Not only that, I'll have to add a recessed plugin, and some cable management to run hdmi down to a receiver.
It's starting to sound like quite the project just to wall mount.

MENU -- Option -- Output Select -- Variable

Menu - Option - Output Select - Variable

Sorry to above poster, didnt see it had been answered.

Really having a hard time waiting for this set. The TV is sitting at the warehouse but the stand I want is what is holding things up. Its still on schedule for a Saturday delivery.

Anyways I got a question regarding the Zoom modes? I have a lot of non anamorphic DVD's and I have discovered on my Samsung's that if I set the player to output a 480P signal and put it on Samsung's Zoom 1 mode that is scales it perfectly without a whole lot of lost detail. Some but not much and for the movies I watch provide a satisfactory picture. It seems to look far better letting the TV do it then the player. Interestingly on the Samsung's at least you only get Zoom 1 and Zoom 2 with non hi def sources.

I am curious if this Sharp unit has similar zoom mode for scaling non anamorphic DVD's?

thanks guys, I did not see that when I dug through the menus.

...I'm an idiot

working great now though!!

This screen is so large that I couldn't imagine the need to zoom in at all, even a 480 signal. Using a normal progressive DVD player or todays bluray players should be all you need. Just my opinion and preference though. YMMV.

Some DVD movies are not created using the anamorphic process and when viewed on a 16x9 display they look way to short and long. Most 16x9 displays offer a Zoom mode that properly scales the non anamorphic movie to the proper dimensions. Technically Zoom is really not proper name and it should be called Scale or maybe even Non Anamorphic Scale but most manufactures just call it Zoom or Just Fit. For example on the Samsung's its Zoom 1.

Interestingly on most if not all Samsung's you don't have Zoom 1 when running your source at high def. Likely because Hi Def material does not need to be scaled. Not sure if this rule is golden with other manufactures.

Since non anamorphic DVD's are so rare now days some manufactures have removed all zoom or scaling features from its TV's. I think Vizio comes to mind and has removed at least some Zooming/Scaling options.

BTW, some DVD players and maybe Blu Ray players scale non anamorphic material but I have found that the display always does it better.

Gotcha... This sharp has 4 settings for 4:3 material.

From the manual:
Side Bar - Suitable for viewing 4:3 programs in their normal format. (So black bars on either side)

S.Stretch or Smart Stretch - Suitable for stretching 4:3 material to fill the screen.

Zoom - Suitable for watching anamorphic DVDs in full screen.

Stretch - This mode is suitable for watching 1.78:1 dvds. When viewing 1.85:1 dvds, stretch mode will still show very thin black bars at the top and bottom.

I don't have any non-anamorphic material but those are your options. I have tried them on SD cable and wasn't all that impressed with the TV's ability to scale the signal. I now have my HD box stretching the signal and sending that signal to my TV so my TV stays on "Dot by Dot". Dot by Dot is for 1080i/p material and displays the signal with the same number of pixels on the screen.

I should have just mentioned scaling 4:3 Letterboxed DVD's

Not many but some DVD's were made in the regular 4:3 format and look just fine on 4:3 TV's but are almost unusable on 16:9 TV's. About the best you can do is scale them to fit the screen properly. Even with scaling its normal for 2.35:1 films to have letterboxing but the 1.78:1 stuff usually fills all the screen when in these stretching modes.

I am slowly replacing my non-anamorphic DVD's with Blu Ray's as they come out but its going to be a while before everything gets replaced.

Sounds like this Sharp unit has more then enough options to scale non-anamorphic DVD's. Since you are blowing them up slightly it does degrade quality but I would rather do this then set the display to 4:3 mode and watch it pillarboxed.

Quality loss varies greatly by display. Some look really good and some are probably not worth doing. From what I read in this thread it looks like this Sharp unit is not so good but its not a deal killer. I only have to do this a few times a year if that. Probably the last time I did it is when I watched the Original format Star Wars movies. George Lucas was nice enough to only put these out in 4:3 Letterbox format.