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post #10801 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Svendsen View Post

Hi everybody

Just received my new mrx300 upgrading from pioneer sc-07/lx81 and I'm very pleased so far. My fronts are aktive studio monitors Genelec 8040 and they require a lot of output - my center and back speakers are normal passive speakers; Audiovector avc3sign. and kx - sub is Svs pc12-plus DSP in 16hz tune. How does it look - I adjusted fronts from 60-80hz xo and room hain from 3.9-5.

Best regards Svendsen

Why did you reduce the crossovers? We've learned that ARC almost always sets them correctly.
Your front speakers have a huge boundary gain. Try moving them out from back and side walls. Then remeasure. Your other speakers look good as does your sub. When you remeasure, don't change any settings. Listen to what ARC did for awhile to get used to it. Additionally, if your sub can go below 20Hz at reasonably high levels, you can set your sub, in the advanced menu under "High Pass Filter" to FLAT. This will give you good "seat of your pants" response.
John
post #10802 of 16451
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post


Why did you reduce the crossovers? We've learned that ARC almost always sets them correctly.
Your front speakers have a huge boundary gain. Try moving them out from back and side walls. Then remeasure. Your other speakers look good as does your sub. When you remeasure, don't change any settings. Listen to what ARC did for awhile to get used to it. Additionally, if your sub can go below 20Hz at reasonably high levels, you can set your sub, in the advanced menu under "High Pass Filter" to FLAT. This will give you good "seat of your pants" response.
John

I choose 80 hz because that's what my front speakers company recommends when crossing the model over to their subs - I Can see the frequency response measurements by arv shows plenty of extention to use a 60 hz xo, but don't you think that things can change between fx 60-80 hz at High outputs where I would guess that my sub can handle more output. just a thought.

I can see the boundary gain and I will try to fix it

Will try o let arc do it's thing:-)
post #10803 of 16451
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

The other problem with the mrx and ARC is the danger of catching the the upgrade bug which is exactly what happened to me

I have the exact same problem. I love the sound now, but am planning on upgrading my surround speakers from Paradigm PV-150's to Paradigm SA-ADP's. That should offer me a little sound improvement.
post #10804 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Svendsen View Post


I choose 80 hz because that's what my front speakers company recommends when crossing the model over to their subs - I Can see the frequency response measurements by arv shows plenty of extention to use a 60 hz xo, but don't you think that things can change between fx 60-80 hz at High outputs where I would guess that my sub can handle more output. just a thought.

I can see the boundary gain and I will try to fix it

Will try o let arc do it's thing:-)

Those specs mean nothing when ARC is implemented. Within your room, your speakers don't perform like they did at the factory. Trust ARC. If you don't like it then you can change it but give it some time to hear ARC's solution.
John
post #10805 of 16451
Hi all,
I just brought the MRX500 and would like to set up zone 2 audio from a room that is out of sight of the MRX500 is located. I understand that there is an IR in for MRX500 and I did try the IR receiver from the Monoprice which unfortunately dosen't work!!

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...=2#description

And I have been searhing all over the net to see which IR receiver is compatiable to the MRX receiver but I just couldn't find it.

Can any of you who is using the zone 2 audio from out of sight area of the MRX receiver tell me which IR receiver to use?
post #10806 of 16451
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Originally Posted by greentea View Post

Hi all,
I just brought the MRX500 and would like to set up zone 2 audio from a room that is out of sight of the MRX500 is located. I understand that there is an IR in for MRX500 and I did try the IR receiver from the Monoprice which unfortunately dosen't work!!

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...=2#description

And I have been searhing all over the net to see which IR receiver is compatiable to the MRX receiver but I just couldn't find it.

Can any of you who is using the zone 2 audio from out of sight area of the MRX receiver tell me which IR receiver to use?

If no one responds, email Anthem, they may know of one.
John
post #10807 of 16451
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Hi Kiwicol (Tigger and John as well),
Will it improve the lower level more by setting sub HPF to flat? Just making an observation but I don't even own an MRX yet (just ordered a 500 yesterday and have to wait 5-7 business days).

Edit: Above Kiwicol's post is #10539. Thanks.

Hi,

Thanks for your input. I dont believe my sub has the filters to allow me to set the HPF setting to flat. My sub is a fairly old Miller and Kriesel V75 MK11. I've read the manual but have included a link incase anyone else can shed some light on whether or not I can change the setting to flat.

http://web.archive.org/web/200703161...Subwoofers.pdf

Cheers :-)
post #10808 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Kiwicol View Post

Hi,

Thanks for your input. I dont believe my sub has the filters to allow me to set the HPF setting to flat. My sub is a fairly old Miller and Kriesel V75 MK11. I've read the manual but have included a link incase anyone else can shed some light on whether or not I can change the setting to flat.

http://web.archive.org/web/200703161...Subwoofers.pdf

Cheers :-)

The rule of thumb is,

1. Can the sub play below 20Hz at high volume.

2. Does it have protection at the low end.

Both apply as to whether you should set the HPF to Flat. It does make a difference that can be really felt.

John
post #10809 of 16451
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post


I think you should just sit back and listen to this for at least a week or two. This will give your ears a chance to adjust to the sound and determine if you need to tweak anything.

NOTE: I see that you are going to add a second sub. That's good; but, one thing that I always recommend to everyone is to make sure that you have options for sub placement. Two or more subs are very good to have as long as they play nice together. If they begin to cancel each other out, then that's a problem. The only way to fix it is to have some patience and play around with different sub locations. However, once you get them playing nice with each other, you will definitely enjoy the sub ride.

On day 5 of MRX ownership and so far so good. Had a few friends come over for poker last night and most of them noticed the change in sound quality instantly and complemented. One of them couldn't believe changing from Integra DTR to Anthem MRX (similarly priced) has made this much difference in sound and said now the system has unbelievably clean bass.

Regarding dual sub, I played around with Sub12 PBK quick measure before (a Paradigm sub EQ software, derived from ARC) and I know there's another good sub spot in the room that I can try out.

But I'm torn between upgrading from Paradigm Studio 60s to Sig 2s or getting another Sub 12. I've demo'd Sig 2s and they sound quite a significant upgrade from the Studio line. Any suggestion in choosing upgrading to better fronts or dual sub, but not both?
post #10810 of 16451
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

But I'm torn between upgrading from Paradigm Studio 60s to Sig 2s or getting another Sub 12. I've demo'd Sig 2s and they sound quite a significant upgrade from the Studio line. Any suggestion in choosing upgrading to better fronts or dual sub, but not both?

I own both the S2|S6. The main difference between the two is the amount of low-end bass. I use the S2 with an integrated and no room correction. They put out a surprising amount of bass and are a joy to listen to even without a subwoofer.

My S6s are room corrected with an MRX's ARC. ARC has significantly tamed the bass. To compare I have played them with just the integrated and the bass is very overwhelming in my room. I would just keep this in mind when considering 2 sub 12s. I would also consider that on the MRX it will hear both subs as a single sub. This may make setting up the room correction / placement more difficult.

For the price of two sub 12s, you could also consider a Sub 1 pairing with the S2, but it sounds like you already own one of the subs. Again in my room, the PBK|Arc has significantly dialed down the bass from my Sub 1. I take this as the speakers are capable of filling much larger rooms that I have. If I had to choose I would go with the better fronts. Most of the interesting sound is not at the low-end, and the S2 will be very enjoyable for music.
post #10811 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

I own both the S2|S6. The main difference between the two is the amount of low-end bass. I use the S2 with an integrated and no room correction. They put out a surprising amount of bass and are a joy to listen to even without a subwoofer.

My S6s are room corrected with an MRX's ARC. ARC has significantly tamed the bass. To compare I have played them with just the integrated and the bass is very overwhelming in my room. I would just keep this in mind when considering 2 sub 12s. I would also consider that on the MRX it will hear both subs as a single sub. This may make setting up the room correction / placement more difficult.

For the price of two sub 12s, you could also consider a Sub 1 pairing with the S2, but it sounds like you already own one of the subs. Again in my room, the PBK|Arc has significantly dialed down the bass from my Sub 1. I take this as the speakers are capable of filling much larger rooms that I have. If I had to choose I would go with the better fronts. Most of the interesting sound is not at the low-end, and the S2 will be very enjoyable for music.

I'm guessing here that to integrate dual sub with ARC:
1) I should use PBK quick measure for each sub to find a good spot for each before the actual ARC run.
2) Or I should just use ARC quick measure for both sub simultaneously (one sub output with Y splitter) and move them around for the best composite LF response?
3) Or both? But this sounds like every time a sub position changes, I have to re-do both PBK and ARC.

Anyway, dual sub has to wait as I agree with you that upgrading better fronts first makes more sense. Especially, one single Sub12 is capable of providing enough bass at the moment. OT: I demo'd Sig 2s and Studio 20s side by side at a dealer a few weeks ago and it was quite a significant difference. Can't stop thinking about it ever since.
post #10812 of 16451
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post


I'm guessing here that to integrate dual sub with ARC:
1) I should use PBK quick measure for each sub to find a good spot for each before the actual ARC run.
2) Or I should just use ARC quick measure for both sub simultaneously (one sub output with Y splitter) and move them around for the best composite LF response?
3) Or both? But this sounds like every time a sub position changes, I have to re-do both PBK and ARC.

Anyway, dual sub has to wait as I agree with you that upgrading better fronts first makes more sense. Especially, one single Sub12 is capable of providing enough bass at the moment. OT: I demo'd Sig 2s and Studio 20s side by side at a dealer a few weeks ago and it was quite a significant difference. Can't stop thinking about it ever since.

There are instructions in the FAQ, from Nick@Anthem, that specify how to do it. Many have done it successfully.
John
post #10813 of 16451
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

There are instructions in the FAQ, from Nick@Anthem, that specify how to do it. Many have done it successfully.
John

Thanks for the reminder.
post #10814 of 16451
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

But I'm torn between upgrading from Paradigm Studio 60s to Sig 2s or getting another Sub 12. I've demo'd Sig 2s and they sound quite a significant upgrade from the Studio line. Any suggestion in choosing upgrading to better fronts or dual sub, but not both?

While shopping for speakers with a friend in early 2011, I ended up listening to the Signature line (S2 v2 and S6 v3). We were both immediately hooked. After this, my v4 Studio 40s seem to have a veil in front of them compared to the Sigs. Back in March, I was lucky enough to find a new in box set of v2 S4s and a C3 for a very good price. They are now mated to my existing Studio Sub 12 and I couldn't be happier. Big improvement for both music and movies. Go for the S2s!
post #10815 of 16451
To whomever,
As a dealer, we have been using Xantech for years with excellent results.
TJG
post #10816 of 16451
Should the sub volume/gain be used if I'd like more bass? Or adjusting bass setting in advance source setup menu is the way to go?

If my understanding is correct, we should not adjust the sub gain level that used to run ARC.
post #10817 of 16451
so my amp started to trip out on protection, turned out it was something inside the amp, luckily still under warranty BUT
got it back and I'd lost all my settings including the ARC setup

does saving user settings save all this? if so, can I save it externally or will saving it be enough that it won't get wiped again, maybe it depends on what they do in the shop with it??
post #10818 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bucknaked007 View Post

so my amp started to trip out on protection, turned out it was something inside the amp, luckily still under warranty BUT
got it back and I’d lost all my settings including the ARC setup

does saving user settings save all this? if so, can I save it externally or will saving it be enough that it won’t get wiped again, maybe it depends on what they do in the shop with it??

Save settings will not save ARC settings. You can reload them from you PC saved file.
post #10819 of 16451
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Should the sub volume/gain be used if I'd like more bass? Or adjusting bass setting in advance source setup menu is the way to go?

If my understanding is correct, we should not adjust the sub gain level that used to run ARC.

You shouldn't really touch either. Have you given it a week or so of listening to get an ear for balanced sound?

To get more bass you could try adjusting the room gain higher in ARC, recalculate and upload.
post #10820 of 16451
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Should the sub volume/gain be used if I'd like more bass? Or adjusting bass setting in advance source setup menu is the way to go?

If my understanding is correct, we should not adjust the sub gain level that used to run ARC.

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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

You shouldn't really touch either. Have you given it a week or so of listening to get an ear for balanced sound?

To get more bass you could try adjusting the room gain higher in ARC, recalculate and upload.

+1

A solid 1-2 week listening period is always the FIRST thing to do. If after that you want more, you could adjust your room gain a bit in ARC (It is recommended not to go more than 4).

As Shrike645 already said, you do not want to adjust the subs gain control and you really do not want to adjust the Speaker Level Calibration either. (though if you wanted to bump this up by 1, that would likely not be to big a problem... though still not recommended).

Is it all sources that you feel need more bass or just certain CD's, for example?

There are Tone controls for both Bass an Treble. These would typically be the recommended way of increasing your bass. The Audio button on your remote can be used to adjust the bass "on the fly". Simply press the Audio button till you see "Bass" on your MRX's display and then use the up down arrows to adjust. This technique is temporary and will be forgotten as soon as you power cycle the MRX or change sources. This is good if you are listening to a particular CD and feel it needs a bit more, but in general you are happy with most sources where they are.

If you feel you would like to make a particular source have a the Tone control permanently adjusted on a source, there is a place to do this under the Advanced Source Setup menu. This is a per source adjustment, so if it is only say your CD player or Phonograph that needs the extra boost, you can apply it just to that source.

Again, make sure you listen to what ARC set, exactly as it set it, for at least a good week.
post #10821 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

You shouldn't really touch either. Have you given it a week or so of listening to get an ear for balanced sound?

To get more bass you could try adjusting the room gain higher in ARC, recalculate and upload.

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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

+1

A solid 1-2 week listening period is always the FIRST thing to do. If after that you want more, you could adjust your room gain a bit in ARC (It is recommended not to go more than 4).

As Shrike645 already said, you do not want to adjust the subs gain control and you really do not want to adjust the Speaker Level Calibration either. (though if you wanted to bump this up by 1, that would likely not be to big a problem... though still not recommended).

Is it all sources that you feel need more bass or just certain CD's, for example?

There are Tone controls for both Bass an Treble. These would typically be the recommended way of increasing your bass. The Audio button on your remote can be used to adjust the bass "on the fly". Simply press the Audio button till you see "Bass" on your MRX's display and then use the up down arrows to adjust. This technique is temporary and will be forgotten as soon as you power cycle the MRX or change sources. This is good if you are listening to a particular CD and feel it needs a bit more, but in general you are happy with most sources where they are.

If you feel you would like to make a particular source have a the Tone control permanently adjusted on a source, there is a place to do this under the Advanced Source Setup menu. This is a per source adjustment, so if it is only say your CD player or Phonograph that needs the extra boost, you can apply it just to that source.

Again, make sure you listen to what ARC set, exactly as it set it, for at least a good week.

Tigger and Shrike, thanks for the suggestions. I need to control myself. I'll give it one more week.

So to recap:
Sub gain: set it the way when ARC was run
Level Calibration: leave it as ARC calculated
Tone control of treble and bass: correct way to adjust
ARC room gain: not more than 4 (recalculate on PC and upload)

This brings up one more question. I do not remember my setting of tone control in advance setup (possibly bass +2, treble +2) when I ran ARC. Is it necessary to set bass 0, treble 0 during ARC runs? Or ARC simply ignores this?

When you say listen to the way ARC sets it for a couple of weeks, it means with treble 0, bass 0, right?

Tigger, I felt more bass is needed for some EDM (electronics dance music) tracks, not that there isn't any, maybe adequate for most people. But I like my bass. Plus having been listening to Audyssesy (subwoofer +6.5) has something to do with it.
post #10822 of 16451
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Tigger and Shrike, thanks for the suggestions. I need to control myself. I'll give it one more week.

So to recap:
Sub gain: set it the way when ARC was run
Level Calibration: leave it as ARC calculated
Tone control of treble and bass: correct way to adjust
ARC room gain: not more than 4 (recalculate on PC and upload)

This brings up one more question. I do not remember my setting of tone control in advance setup (possibly bass +2, treble +2) when I ran ARC. Is it necessary to set bass 0, treble 0 during ARC runs? Or ARC simply ignores this?

When you say listen to the way ARC sets it for a couple of weeks, it means with treble 0, bass 0, right?

Tigger, I felt more bass is needed for some EDM (electronics dance music) tracks, not that there isn't any, maybe adequate for most people. But I like my bass. Plus having been listening to Audyssesy (subwoofer +6.5) has something to do with it.

For room Gain 3.9xxx is the max that ARC will set. You can manually set it higher but again this isn't recommended unless you love to hear more bass than the mixer intended.
post #10823 of 16451
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post


Tigger and Shrike, thanks for the suggestions. I need to control myself. I'll give it one more week.

So to recap:
Sub gain: set it the way when ARC was run
Level Calibration: leave it as ARC calculated
Tone control of treble and bass: correct way to adjust
ARC room gain: not more than 4 (recalculate on PC and upload)

This brings up one more question. I do not remember my setting of tone control in advance setup (possibly bass +2, treble +2) when I ran ARC. Is it necessary to set bass 0, treble 0 during ARC runs? Or ARC simply ignores this?

When you say listen to the way ARC sets it for a couple of weeks, it means with treble 0, bass 0, right?

Tigger, I felt more bass is needed for some EDM (electronics dance music) tracks, not that there isn't any, maybe adequate for most people. But I like my bass. Plus having been listening to Audyssesy (subwoofer +6.5) has something to do with it.

Yes tone at 0. You are likely used to some bloated bass as Audyssey didn't correct the bass as well as ARC can. We, the ARC Police forbid you from touching any settings for at least a week
John
post #10824 of 16451
Does the MRX 700 has a second amp for zone 2 or does zone 2 share the same amp as zone1?
post #10825 of 16451
This review was done in January's but I didn't see it posted here. It was done by Kal Robinson who is a regular here on the AVS forum. The link is below.
It applies, for the most part, to all the MRX receivers.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-52

John
post #10826 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Does the MRX 700 has a second amp for zone 2 or does zone 2 share the same amp as zone1?

I believe zone 2 shares.
John
post #10827 of 16451
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post


I believe zone 2 shares.
John

If you are using all the pre-outs to a 5 channel amplifier can you use the MRX internal amps for zone 2 or do they become disabled?
post #10828 of 16451
Any squeezebox users?
Will I be able to play Flac files from a HD connected to a SB Touch using the digital output?
I'm thinking of getting one to use for an outside zone using the analog outputs so the MRX doesn't need to be on and I can control it with an iphone.
I'm assuming the analog and digital outputs can be used simultaneously so I can use it through the MRX on my main system.
post #10829 of 16451
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post


If you are using all the pre-outs to a 5 channel amplifier can you use the MRX internal amps for zone 2 or do they become disabled?

Sorry I don't know but that is a good question.
John
post #10830 of 16451
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

If you are using all the pre-outs to a 5 channel amplifier can you use the MRX internal amps for zone 2 or do they become disabled?

Zone 2 uses the Aux/Rear/Height outputs (both pre-amp out and speaker level out). So with a 5.1 system, you will tell the MRX that the Aux/Rear/Height is set to Zone 2. In this case you can use the internal amps or the pre-amp outs for the 5.1 and Zone 2 will still work with either the internal amp (that would have been used for Aux/Rear/Height speakers if you had them) or you can use the Aux pre-amp outputs.

Hope that makes sense.
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