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Was the quick measure for both of subwoofer ? You should do a quick measure for each of them as sometime putting them too close together might interfere.[/quote
Yes that was both here is one at a time
LEFT SUB

RIGHT SUB
Time to move them around. Where they are isn't doing the trick so use quick measure to find the best spots.
John
post #12092 of 16457
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Originally Posted by vkowalski1970 View Post

Quick question, if you run analog from the Oppo to the MRX and turn off arc, then are you just using the Oppo dacs? I have been playing with mine for a few days and I really like the sound of CD's and Pandora through the Oppo to MRX by analog without the ARC on. When I send through HDMI with ARC on, it sounds good, but to my ears the Analog side sounds a bit more full. Im not sure why? Arc seems to make less of a difference for me when in 2 channel Music vs Multichannel. I can say that it is a big difference when playing my Dave Matthews Blu Ray Dolby True with Arc on vs Arc off. Arc on makes it much smoother and much better sounding. So Im a bit confused.....I have been able to a/b it by setting up AUX as the digital side and CD as the analog side.

Any thoughts?
post #12093 of 16457
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Originally Posted by vkowalski1970 View Post

Any thoughts?

Not sure why you're experiencing this but my 2ch setup for music sounds excellent as it should since ARC corrects for your room whether music or movies and that in most cases will trump the difference b/t DACs.
John
post #12094 of 16457
Maybe the levels for analogues out of the oppo are a bit louder than digital or in 2ch his room acoustics result in a more please sound compared to arc room corrected?

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post #12095 of 16457
I moved the sub around the whole room it don't get any better
post #12096 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Apgood View Post

Maybe the levels for analogues out of the oppo are a bit louder than digital or in 2ch his room acoustics result in a more please sound compared to arc room corrected?
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If movies benefit from ARC, music will too since room acoustics will still affect the front speakers. It is rare when someone prefers ARC off vs on. As for levels I have no idea.
John
post #12097 of 16457
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I moved the sub around the whole room it don't get any better
I think that you have to be very patient and methodical in doing this. The first rule is not to use a placement where woofer distance to the 3 boundary is the same (floor, backwall, sidewall), and move by step of 1/2 foot.
If you only tried the 4 corners or middle of the sidewalls or any symmetric placement you may not get any differences.
post #12098 of 16457
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I think that you have to be very patient and methodical in doing this. The first rule is not to use a placement where woofer distance to the 3 boundary is the same (floor, backwall, sidewall), and move by step of 1/2 foot.
If you only tried the 4 corners or middle of the sidewalls or any symmetric placement you may not get any differences.

One side of the room is open to the upstairs , I don't have to many choices
post #12099 of 16457
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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

I think that you have to be very patient and methodical in doing this. The first rule is not to use a placement where woofer distance to the 3 boundary is the same (floor, backwall, sidewall), and move by step of 1/2 foot.
If you only tried the 4 corners or middle of the sidewalls or any symmetric placement you may not get any differences.

Good advice. Moving mine from the front right corner 8' up the the right wall pointing into the room and I struck gold. Moving it 4" in either direction changed it dramatically.
John
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post #12101 of 16457
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Good advice. Moving mine from the front right corner 8' up the the right wall pointing into the room and I struck gold. Moving it 4" in either direction changed it dramatically.
John

Amazing that 4" could make a difference. I have my soon to be replaced REL sub near the right corner front corner of the room. My only real choices for the Sub 15 will be in a similar position (facing out to the back wall) or on the right wall pointing into the room. I am definitely going to try both positions based on Jayray's comment above! I really need to get home. My sub 15 is waiting at the installer's shop for me. Thursday is the big day smile.gif
post #12102 of 16457
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Do you have a question or comment?
post #12103 of 16457
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Do you have a question or comment?

I was just posting 2 more locations so I guess its a question " How Does It Look " like I said I never had any luck with this room and gave up a number of times
post #12104 of 16457
Hi everyone. Hope you are having a good weekend! I started a few threads late last year when I was trying to decide on equipment for my new apartment (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377505/focal-dome-vs-morel-soundspot-vs-cambridge-audio-minx, http://www.avsforum.com/t/1379978/sub-to-go-with-paradigm-milleniaone-5-0). It has taken a lot longer than I was expecting to get moved in, buy furniture, etc., but I finally got around to running ARC this afternoon, and wanted to post my results. First, the targets:


Now the initial/target/calculated graphs:



My speaker levels:
Front left: +1
Center: -1
Front right: 0
Surround right: +2
Surround left: 0
Movie/Music Sub: -7

My speaker distances:
Front left: 8 ft
Center: 7 ft
Front right: 8 ft
Surround right: 10 ft
Surround left: 7 ft

I am also including a photo of the room. It is a challenging space. The front speakers are fairly close together. The right and rear of the room are completely lined with windows. The left side (not shown) opens into a kitchen and bar area. Ceiling height is around 10 ft. All of the speakers are visible in this photo except the left surround, which was directly above me when I took the photo.



I am having a bit more work done on the place next month, so I will probably run ARC one more time after that. Based on what I've read here, I imagine you guys will tell me to turn down the sub a bit next time I run ARC. It was at about 75% volume for this run. Any other comments or suggestions? And thanks so much to everyone for their contributions here... Made this process much easier!
post #12105 of 16457
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Originally Posted by diablo1 View Post

Hi everyone. Hope you are having a good weekend! I started a few threads late last year when I was trying to decide on equipment for my new apartment (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377505/focal-dome-vs-morel-soundspot-vs-cambridge-audio-minx, http://www.avsforum.com/t/1379978/sub-to-go-with-paradigm-milleniaone-5-0). It has taken a lot longer than I was expecting to get moved in, buy furniture, etc., but I finally got around to running ARC this afternoon, and wanted to post my results. First, the targets:

Now the initial/target/calculated graphs:

My speaker levels:
Front left: +1
Center: -1
Front right: 0
Surround right: +2
Surround left: 0
Movie/Music Sub: -7
My speaker distances:
Front left: 8 ft
Center: 7 ft
Front right: 8 ft
Surround right: 10 ft
Surround left: 7 ft
I am also including a photo of the room. It is a challenging space. The front speakers are fairly close together. The right and rear of the room are completely lined with windows. The left side (not shown) opens into a kitchen and bar area. Ceiling height is around 10 ft. All of the speakers are visible in this photo except the left surround, which was directly above me when I took the photo.

I am having a bit more work done on the place next month, so I will probably run ARC one more time after that. Based on what I've read here, I imagine you guys will tell me to turn down the sub a bit next time I run ARC. It was at about 75% volume for this run. Any other comments or suggestions? And thanks so much to everyone for their contributions here... Made this process much easier!

Yes, turn the sub down a bit, maybe try 60%

Your graphs look good... I was going to guess you had smaller book shelf or cube speakers... then I saw as I read down the pic you posted... exactly what you have wink.gif

I'm guessing this sounds really good! You probably really don't need to do anything else, just sit back and enjoy!

If you feel like playing, you could try moving the sub a bit and see if you can get it flatter... otherwise (and I very rarely suggest this...) you could try manually playing with ARC's "Advanced Settings" to get a little more out of your low end.

Try something like a "Subwoofer High Pass Order" of 7th, "Subwoofer High Pass Frequency" of around 24 and a "Min Subwoofer EQ Freq" 20.

If you do manually play with ARC's settings, post up your graphs so we can take a look.
post #12106 of 16457
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These graphs look a bit better than the last ones I think I saw... how do they look together?

Your first Sub, in particular is still a bit all over the place... but it may sum nicely with the second? Is the first Sub close to a corner or a wall? It maybe getting to much boundary gain. Can you pull it out into the room a bit?

See what ARC thinks.
post #12107 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

These graphs look a bit better than the last ones I think I saw... how do they look together?
Your first Sub, in particular is still a bit all over the place... but it may sum nicely with the second? Is the first Sub close to a corner or a wall? It maybe getting to much boundary gain. Can you pull it out into the room a bit?
See what ARC thinks.

Those charts (1) sub diffrent locations . The chart below 1 sub again best location I can find also getting 75db with SPL at seating location

post #12108 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

Yes, turn the sub down a bit, maybe try 60%
Your graphs look good... I was going to guess you had smaller book shelf or cube speakers... then I saw as I read down the pic you posted... exactly what you have wink.gif
I'm guessing this sounds really good! You probably really don't need to do anything else, just sit back and enjoy!
If you feel like playing, you could try moving the sub a bit and see if you can get it flatter... otherwise (and I very rarely suggest this...) you could try manually playing with ARC's "Advanced Settings" to get a little more out of your low end.
Try something like a "Subwoofer High Pass Order" of 7th, "Subwoofer High Pass Frequency" of around 24 and a "Min Subwoofer EQ Freq" 20.
If you do manually play with ARC's settings, post up your graphs so we can take a look.

Thanks! How could you tell they were smaller speakers? Due to the response trailing off below 150 Hz?
The system does sound amazing! Closing my eyes, I really picture much larger speakers when listening to these guys... I noticed the bass is especially improved after letting ARC do its thing. The subwoofer used to sound too loud on some material and almost not there on others... Now it is consistent, and harder to localize. I guess that is the point of room correction...
I will do the tweaks you recommended when I run my final ARC test after everything else in the room is set up. Thank you for the suggestions... Normally I wouldn't mess with the Advanced Settings, but I will give it a try.

Here is a list of all my components, apologies for not mentioning this earlier:
Anthem MRX300
Paradigm MilleniaOne 5.0 and MilleniaSub
Samsung UN60D8000 TV
Samsung BD-D6700 Blu-ray player
Cisco 8742HDC DVR (Time Warner)
Xbox 360
Wii
Apple TV

Zone 2, bedroom:
Samsung UN46D8000 TV
Paradigm Stylus 170 speakers

Here is a photo of my AV cabinet. I have IR relays set up, so I leave this closed during normal use.
post #12109 of 16457
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Those charts (1) sub diffrent locations . The chart below 1 sub again best location I can find also getting 75db with SPL at seating location

Those are the two subs together? They look excellent! Run ARC, see what it has to say about everything.
post #12110 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

Those are the two subs together? They look excellent! Run ARC, see what it has to say about everything.

No this is one sub , if I try and add the other sub I cant get that good of graph I tried everywhere in the room

post #12111 of 16457
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

No this is one sub , if I try and add the other sub I cant get that good of graph I tried everywhere in the room

For fun try it with one sub and se how that sounds. That measured curve looks quite good.
John
post #12112 of 16457
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Originally Posted by diablo1 View Post

Hi everyone. Hope you are having a good weekend! I started a few threads late last year when I was trying to decide on equipment for my new apartment (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377505/focal-dome-vs-morel-soundspot-vs-cambridge-audio-minx, http://www.avsforum.com/t/1379978/sub-to-go-with-paradigm-milleniaone-5-0). It has taken a lot longer than I was expecting to get moved in, buy furniture, etc., but I finally got around to running ARC this afternoon, and wanted to post my results. First, the targets:

Now the initial/target/calculated graphs:


My speaker levels:
Front left: +1
Center: -1
Front right: 0
Surround right: +2
Surround left: 0
Movie/Music Sub: -7
My speaker distances:
Front left: 8 ft
Center: 7 ft
Front right: 8 ft
Surround right: 10 ft
Surround left: 7 ft
I am also including a photo of the room. It is a challenging space. The front speakers are fairly close together. The right and rear of the room are completely lined with windows. The left side (not shown) opens into a kitchen and bar area. Ceiling height is around 10 ft. All of the speakers are visible in this photo except the left surround, which was directly above me when I took the photo.

I am having a bit more work done on the place next month, so I will probably run ARC one more time after that. Based on what I've read here, I imagine you guys will tell me to turn down the sub a bit next time I run ARC. It was at about 75% volume for this run. Any other comments or suggestions? And thanks so much to everyone for their contributions here... Made this process much easier!

I can't comment on your graphs. I'll leave more qualified people for that but I really like the design of your room. It's cool. I'm lame. I have no style when it comes to designing or making a room look nice. I'm a plain jane kinda guy.
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Just curious if anyone has ever experienced their MRX just shutting down while watching or listening to a source. I was watching something on Directv tonight and "blip" Anthem just turns off as if I hit the power button. Nothing crazy beforehand, just a clean power off. Turned it back on and all was wel.
post #12114 of 16457
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Just curious if anyone has ever experienced their MRX just shutting down while watching or listening to a source. I was watching something on Directv tonight and "blip" Anthem just turns off as if I hit the power button. Nothing crazy beforehand, just a clean power off. Turned it back on and all was wel.

Just happened last night watching TV. Never happened before.
John
post #12115 of 16457
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

For fun try it with one sub and se how that sounds. That measured curve looks quite good.
John

I moved it around in the same area and ended up with this now , what range am I looking for ? 50-200 ?
below is still with 1 sub and if I add a second sub anywhere else in the room the results are not as good
if I stack them its going to be an eye sore in my family room

post #12116 of 16457
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I moved it around in the same area and ended up with this now , what range am I looking for ? 50-200 ?
below is still with 1 sub and if I add a second sub anywhere else in the room the results are not as good
if I stack them its going to be an eye sore in my family room

Run ARC now and let's see how it looks once it is corrected. The measured curve is looking good from 100Hz-20Hz so the correction curve should also look good.
John
post #12117 of 16457
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Just curious if anyone has ever experienced their MRX just shutting down while watching or listening to a source. I was watching something on Directv tonight and "blip" Anthem just turns off as if I hit the power button. Nothing crazy beforehand, just a clean power off. Turned it back on and all was wel.

I had it happen twice while watching Avatar during some pretty good scenes, I thought it was protection mode, only happened on blu ray, never had it happen on Direct Tv or music. Also happened during a good scene in Super 8
post #12118 of 16457
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Originally Posted by vkowalski1970 View Post

I had it happen twice while watching Avatar during some pretty good scenes, I thought it was protection mode, only happened on blu ray, never had it happen on Direct Tv or music. Also happened during a good scene in Super 8

What firmware are you guys running? Wonder if this was an issue introduced during the 50.25 release?
post #12119 of 16457
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Originally Posted by RaggedEdge View Post

What firmware are you guys running? Wonder if this was an issue introduced during the 50.25 release?

50.25
post #12120 of 16457
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Just curious if anyone has ever experienced their MRX just shutting down while watching or listening to a source. I was watching something on Directv tonight and "blip" Anthem just turns off as if I hit the power button. Nothing crazy beforehand, just a clean power off. Turned it back on and all was wel.

I talked to Anthem and they said voltage could have spiked but usually it's a loose power cord on the back of the unit or the plug going into a power strip which isn't secure. If it continues, you should contact tech support.
John
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