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post #12301 of 16457
What are the main diferences between the automatic and manual ARC EQ?, a friend that has an Anthem 500 tells me that to go more quickly and start enjoying my Anthem y should choose the automatic setting and leave the manual setting for later on, I would like to start on the easy side if possible, but Im not sure if I will be missing something important, I remember reading somewhere that its better to do it manual.

Thanks.
post #12302 of 16457
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Originally Posted by NeogeoG View Post

What are the main diferences between the automatic and manual ARC EQ?, a friend that has an Anthem 500 tells me that to go more quickly and start enjoying my Anthem y should choose the automatic setting and leave the manual setting for later on, I would like to start on the easy side if possible, but Im not sure if I will be missing something important, I remember reading somewhere that its better to do it manual.
Thanks.

Basically the only difference is you have to press a button to progress through each stage in manual mode but you get to see whats happening.
post #12303 of 16457
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Originally Posted by vinchanity View Post

Hi saeyedoc, thanks for comments. I am using the "Enhanced Digital Output applet" on the Touch that swaps a kernel code to allow 192K on the Touch. Lots of people have found success with both USB and optical out from Touch. I am using optical. I was thinking of doing what you do with the BDP-93 but I have the BDP-83 which does not support FLAC via network. I guess that proves that the Anthem will play via network 24/192 but Do you know if Anthem optical input is limited? I have tried to contact their support but no answer yet.
Ok, forgot about the EDO option. Not sure about the optical input, I'm using HDMI from my Oppo.
post #12304 of 16457
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Originally Posted by NeogeoG View Post

What are the main diferences between the automatic and manual ARC EQ?, a friend that has an Anthem 500 tells me that to go more quickly and start enjoying my Anthem y should choose the automatic setting and leave the manual setting for later on, I would like to start on the easy side if possible, but Im not sure if I will be missing something important, I remember reading somewhere that its better to do it manual.
Thanks.

Manula is really the best way to go, almost always... if you bought your receiver and really just want ARC run but don't actually care about anything more than stating "I ran ARC"... go automatic.
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

Basically the only difference is you have to press a button to progress through each stage in manual mode but you get to see whats happening.

+1, Exactly!

The results from both modes will be exactly the same (assuming you except all the defaults presented to you as they are). Manual however alows you to make changes, if you like and see what is going on as you progress.

Check out the "ARC Quick Start Guide", a link is in the FAQ in Post 2 (a link to the FAQ post is in my signature below). It will walk you through running ARC as well as capturing all the: Graphs, Targets Window, and Speaker Levels that need to be captured to post up here so we can see what is going on.

The Guide is very detailed, so it looks like a lot of steps, but really it is very simple.
post #12305 of 16457
Thank you for an incredible thread, permitting me to bring the best out of my MRX500. I'm sure Anthem thanks you too. smile.gif


May I ask a few questions that I have been pondering. Thank you for input anyone may have.

Because of ARC, does this make the ideal of timbre matching front channels (L/C/R) optimal anymore ? I like my 2 channel, want to replace my CC as I hear it's limitations over 3.1 music - am open to any speaker name.

I notice the AVM50v offers ARC software v3.09, while MRX version is 3.0.2. I'm guessin' the answer is no when I ask ..will v3.09 function on an MRX ?

To my ears anyway, my sub timing is very, very good at "normal listening" levels for music. However, when I turn up the volume, sub timing appears off. IF, it's off (exposed) at high volumes, noticibly, does this mean it is also off at my normal listening levels, just undetected due to lower volume ? Is this a room acoustic issue ?
Edited by _stranger - 9/19/12 at 6:32pm
post #12306 of 16457
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Originally Posted by _stranger View Post

Thank you for an incredible thread, permitting me to bring the best out of my MRX500. I'm sure Anthem thanks you too. smile.gif
May I ask a few questions that I have been pondering. Thank you for input anyone may have.
Because of ARC, does this make the ideal of timbre matching front channels (L/C/R) optimal anymore ? I like my 2 channel, want to replace my CC as I hear it's limitations over 3.1 music - am open to any speaker name.
I notice the AVM50v offers ARC software v3.09, while MRX version is 3.0.2. I'm guessin' the answer is no when I ask ..will v3.09 function on an MRX ?
To my ears anyway, my sub timing is very, very good at "normal listening" levels for music. However, when I turn up the volume, sub timing appears off. IF, it's off (exposed) at high volumes, noticibly, does this mean it is also off at my normal listening levels, just undetected due to lower volume ? Is this a room acoustic issue ?

1. The better the freq. correction, the better timber matching.
2. The 3.09 is the firmware version for the AVM 50v and the D2v. 3.02 is the ARC version which all the Anthem models use.
John
post #12307 of 16457
Hy folks, I finally recived my Anthem 500 yesterday and it really sounds brilliantly both with musica and movies, the sound is trully breathtaking, cristal clear, with amazing soundstage, very neutral and natural, with good tight bass, high frecuencys are worm, and everything sounds fantastic, a very nice step up regarding my Onkyo 809.
I did the quick ARC measurementes just to be able to start ejoying the receiver asap, but plan on doing the manual EQ so I can send you guys the grafic pictures.

I also have to mention the great construction quality of the Anthem, with really nice back conectors (much better than the cheap ones in mainstream receivers), the stand and mic of the ARC EQ are also great, etc.., and in general you can tell that this is a very high quality receiver, but the sound is whare really makes it outstanding, and better than my previous Denon and Onkyo,

I do have a small isue, and that is that when I am not playing anything, and I get close to the receiver, sometimes (not always) I can hear a little noise, its high frecuency but its not very loud, its not a major problem because when listening to anything even at low volume its imposible to hear, but just wanted to ask if this is normal with the Anthem.

Thanks everyone for your help, and will porst more indepth impresiones with photos soon.

Greetings.
post #12308 of 16457
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Originally Posted by NeogeoG View Post

Hy folks, I finally recived my Anthem 500 yesterday and it really sounds brilliantly both with musica and movies, the sound is trully breathtaking, cristal clear, with amazing soundstage, very neutral and natural, with good tight bass, high frecuencys are worm, and everything sounds fantastic, a very nice step up regarding my Onkyo 809.
I did the quick ARC measurementes just to be able to start ejoying the receiver asap, but plan on doing the manual EQ so I can send you guys the grafic pictures.
I also have to mention the great construction quality of the Anthem, with really nice back conectors (much better than the cheap ones in mainstream receivers), the stand and mic of the ARC EQ are also great, etc.., and in general you can tell that this is a very high quality receiver, but the sound is whare really makes it outstanding, and better than my previous Denon and Onkyo,
I do have a small isue, and that is that when I am not playing anything, and I get close to the receiver, sometimes (not always) I can hear a little noise, its high frecuency but its not very loud, its not a major problem because when listening to anything even at low volume its imposible to hear, but just wanted to ask if this is normal with the Anthem.
Thanks everyone for your help, and will porst more indepth impresiones with photos soon.
Greetings.

What version of firmware do you have? Press the info button on the remote until you see a number like 50.xx
John
post #12309 of 16457
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Originally Posted by NeogeoG View Post

Hy folks, I finally recived my Anthem 500 yesterday and it really sounds brilliantly both with musica and movies, the sound is trully breathtaking, cristal clear, with amazing soundstage, very neutral and natural, with good tight bass, high frecuencys are worm, and everything sounds fantastic, a very nice step up regarding my Onkyo 809.
I did the quick ARC measurementes just to be able to start ejoying the receiver asap, but plan on doing the manual EQ so I can send you guys the grafic pictures.
I also have to mention the great construction quality of the Anthem, with really nice back conectors (much better than the cheap ones in mainstream receivers), the stand and mic of the ARC EQ are also great, etc.., and in general you can tell that this is a very high quality receiver, but the sound is whare really makes it outstanding, and better than my previous Denon and Onkyo,
I do have a small isue, and that is that when I am not playing anything, and I get close to the receiver, sometimes (not always) I can hear a little noise, its high frecuency but its not very loud, its not a major problem because when listening to anything even at low volume its imposible to hear, but just wanted to ask if this is normal with the Anthem.
Thanks everyone for your help, and will porst more indepth impresiones with photos soon.
Greetings.

1) When you ran in Automatic mode, did you save your calibration file? If yes, you can open it back up in ARC and get to the graphs and the Targets window. No need to re-run. If you did not save the calibration file and simply uploaded the config... you will need to re-run when you want us to look at your graphs.

2) What did ARC set your Speaker Calibration Levels at? This can be found in the MRX's setup menu. Make sure we get a glims of those numbers before you re-run ARC.

3) Where is the noise coming from that you hear? Is it coming from a speaker? From the receiver? If the receiver, where in the receiver and under what conditions does it seem to do it?
a) Does it make sound when it is off?
b) Does it make sound only when it is cold (just turned on)?
c) When it is on a particular source?
d) What does it sound like?
post #12310 of 16457
Tigger and John, you guy;s are just awsome.
post #12311 of 16457
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Originally Posted by spikerdawg View Post

Tigger and John, you guy;s are just awsome.

Agreed!!
post #12312 of 16457
^ thanks for the kind words.
John
post #12313 of 16457
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

^ thanks for the kind words.
John
+1 smile.gif
post #12314 of 16457
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What version of firmware do you have? Press the info button on the remote until you see a number like 50.xx
John

I upgraded to the latest version found in the Anthem webpage (v50.25), I also installed the latest version of the ARC software, the only thing I havent uploaded is the multimedia upgrade via USB.

Quote:
1) When you ran in Automatic mode, did you save your calibration file? If yes, you can open it back up in ARC and get to the graphs and the Targets window. No need to re-run. If you did not save the calibration file and simply uploaded the config... you will need to re-run when you want us to look at your graphs.

2) What did ARC set your Speaker Calibration Levels at? This can be found in the MRX's setup menu. Make sure we get a glims of those numbers before you re-run ARC.

3) Where is the noise coming from that you hear? Is it coming from a speaker? From the receiver? If the receiver, where in the receiver and under what conditions does it seem to do it?
a) Does it make sound when it is off?
b) Does it make sound only when it is cold (just turned on)?
c) When it is on a particular source?
d) What does it sound like?

1- I was looking at so many things when I ran the calibration that I am not sure if I saved it:D, but I think I did, will have to look for the file in the computer, if not I will reerun ARC.

2 - These are the numbers that ARC set to my speakers:
Front L +3
Center +2
Front R +4
Surr R -3
Surr L -3
Movie Sub -1
Music sub -1

3- The noise comes from the inside of the receiver, I think around the center, but its hard to tell the exact spot, only thing sure is that i comes from the receiver.
a- There is no noise when the receiver is off.
b- Usually when I turn it on you can hear the sound imediately, but it hapened once that I turned it on and there was no noise, but usually there is, and I think that after using the unit for a long period of time the sound is also there, althogh I seem to notice that sometimes it comes and goes or fluctuates a bit in intensity, will have to pay more atention and to tell you more details, until now I was just enjoying the Anthems great sound with movies and music.
c- it doesnt have to be in a particular source, just when you turn it on and everything else is off.
d, the sound is very high frequency but at low level, you have to get around 1 meter distance to really hear it, and it seems to change a bit in intensity, sometimes it goes but it comes back, and sometimes it can sound a little big louder and then a little bit softter. its like a high frequency "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" sound.

I will try more things and pay more atention, but I think that if other Anthem MRX owners have the same sound it is easy to notice, although not a problem when you listen to any king of music or movies even at low volume, only notice it when I turn it on and there is no source running anything, would really like to know if this noise is nomal with all Anthem MRX, ive heard that the Anthem receiver has an internal fan, but the sound it makes doesnt seem like the sound that a fan would make, its more high pitch, and once or twice there was no noise wich is great.

Other than this the receiver is absolutely brilliant, but would like to know if this is normal or not.

Greetings.
Edited by NeogeoG - 9/21/12 at 1:56am
post #12315 of 16457
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Originally Posted by NeogeoG View Post

I upgraded to the latest version found in the Anthem webpage (v50.25), I also installed the latest version of the ARC software, the only thing I havent uploaded is the multimedia upgrade via USB.
1- I was looking at so many things when I ran the calibration that I am not sure if I saved it:D, but I think I did, will have to look for the file in the computer, if not I will reerun ARC.
2 - These are the numbers that ARC set to my speakers:
Front L +3
Center +2
Front R +4
Surr R -3
Surr L -3
Movie Sub -1
Music sub -1
3- The noise comes from the inside of the receiver, I think around the center, but its hard to tell the exact spot, only thing sure is that i comes from the receiver.
a- There is no noise when the receiver is off.
b- Usually when I turn it on you can hear the sound imediately, but it hapened once that I turned it on and there was no noise, but usually there is, and I think that after using the unit for a long period of time the sound is also there, althogh I seem to notice that sometimes it comes and goes or fluctuates a bit in intensity, will have to pay more atention and to tell you more details, until now I was just enjoying the Anthems great sound with movies and music.
c- it doesnt have to be in a particular source, just when you turn it on and everything else is off.
d, the sound is very high frequency but at low level, you have to get around 1 meter distance to really hear it, and it seems to change a bit in intensity, sometimes it goes but it comes back, and sometimes it can sound a little big louder and then a little bit softter. its like a high frequency "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" sound.
I will try more things and pay more atention, but I think that if other Anthem MRX owners have the same sound it is easy to notice, although not a problem when you listen to any king of music or movies even at low volume, only notice it when I turn it on and there is no source running anything, would really like to know if this noise is nomal with all Anthem MRX, ive heard that the Anthem receiver has an internal fan, but the sound it makes doesnt seem like the sound that a fan would make, its more high pitch, and once or twice there was no noise wich is great.
Other than this the receiver is absolutely brilliant, but would like to know if this is normal or not.
Greetings.

Your volumes look great. Guess 50% was right on the money. Let's see the charts.
post #12316 of 16457
Any ideas?

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My right surround (CM1) is about a half foot from the wall - do you think that's what's causing it to peak like that? My fronts are about a foot from the wall but unfortunately kinda boxed in by shelves on either side of my TV. I could try and give them more breathing room if you guys think it would help. I have no sub - it's a small space (maybe 12 feet by 10ish)
post #12317 of 16457
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Originally Posted by GoodOmens View Post

Any ideas?
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targets.png
My right surround (CM1) is about a half foot from the wall - do you think that's what's causing it to peak like that? My fronts are about a foot from the wall but unfortunately kinda boxed in by shelves on either side of my TV. I could try and give them more breathing room if you guys think it would help. I have no sub - it's a small space (maybe 12 feet by 10ish)

Yes it looks like they are all getting a low end boost from too much boundary gain. Only the left front is fully corrected by ARC. Moving them out should help as you are still seeing 3-4 db bumps out of the target curve.
post #12318 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

Yes it looks like they are all getting a low end boost from too much boundary gain. Only the left front is fully corrected by ARC. Moving them out should help as you are still seeing 3-4 db bumps out of the target curve.

Yea I tried moving them around and out still no dice. Same result. Is this where port plugs would be helpful?
post #12319 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

Your volumes look great. Guess 50% was right on the money. Let's see the charts.

Yeah, it does look good and the subwoofer is almost at 0, I will see if I have the charts and if not I will rerun the ARC.

Ive been able to spend more time listening to music, and I am totally amazed at the sound quality of the Anthem, some people think that all av receiver are the same exept for power suply and inputs/outputs, but boy are the wrong, the diference in sound between Anthem and Onkyo 809 is huge, both with movies but even more noticible with music, I totally recomend everyone looking for a receiver to check them out and listen to them, specially if their priority is sound quality.

The only problem I have is with the noise I have in my receiver, its nothing too important, but I would like to know if other Anthem owners also hear some noice from their unit or if its totally silent.

Greetings.
post #12320 of 16457
NeogeoG
My MRX300 has no sound coming from the receiver, but when i first got my unit it has a hissing sound coming from the center channel speaker only. Then i emailed anthem and they told me to return it to the dealer and exchange for a new one. I've waited for a week and now my unit is perfect, its dead silent smile.gif and still enjoying movies and music. Try to email anthem and put all the infos of your receiver, serial no., firmware and everything you see when you press info. And maybe you can request a exchange from the dealer.
post #12321 of 16457
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Originally Posted by bryan338 View Post

NeogeoG
My MRX300 has no sound coming from the receiver, but when i first got my unit it has a hissing sound coming from the center channel speaker only. Then i emailed anthem and they told me to return it to the dealer and exchange for a new one. I've waited for a week and now my unit is perfect, its dead silent smile.gif and still enjoying movies and music. Try to email anthem and put all the infos of your receiver, serial no., firmware and everything you see when you press info. And maybe you can request a exchange from the dealer.

Thanks, I dont have any problem with my center channel, only problem is the light noise in my unit, and I think its not normal cause once or twice the sound was totally gone, I will contact my dealer tomorrow, the only problem is that they told me that although he totally loved the Anthems for their sound, this was their last unit and they wouldnt work anymore with Anthem because the distribuiter in Spain has changed and they dont have contact with them, lets see if they can change it for another Anthem 500, I dont want to change it for a diferente brand, after hearing Anthem I cant go back to other receivers, if they cant exchage it for the same brand, I will have to send it for a repair to whoever is incharge of Anthem Spain, but for now I am not in a hurry since its really not a big deal, I only notice it when there is no sound and I get close to the unit.

Greetings.
post #12322 of 16457
OK, I hooked up my WDTV Live to the AVR and it exhibited the same audio synch problems. However, I then discovered that setting an audio 'delay' of 150ms on the MRX300 actually does bring them much closer to synch. I thought it would do the opposite, taking them further out of synch. It's still not quite perfect, but it's a lot better than it was.

Now I seem to be reading that with HDMI 1.4 the receiver can actually find out what kind of delay it needs to use from the TV? I'm wondering if my receiver somehow adapted itself to my old TV (which actually had the opposite problem, with audio coming ~150ms before video) but hasn't re-adjusted to my new set??
post #12323 of 16457
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Originally Posted by birthdaymonkey View Post

OK, I hooked up my WDTV Live to the AVR and it exhibited the same audio synch problems. However, I then discovered that setting an audio 'delay' of 150ms on the MRX300 actually does bring them much closer to synch. I thought it would do the opposite, taking them further out of synch. It's still not quite perfect, but it's a lot better than it was.
Now I seem to be reading that with HDMI 1.4 the receiver can actually find out what kind of delay it needs to use from the TV? I'm wondering if my receiver somehow adapted itself to my old TV (which actually had the opposite problem, with audio coming ~150ms before video) but hasn't re-adjusted to my new set??

That is strange that you are getting audio sync problems. I've used a few sources (htpc, BD player, 2 different media players) and never had this issue. I wonder if any other owners have experienced this issue.

As for the receiver adapting itself to your old tv, I'm not sure that the receiver would store a display's EDID data.

Maybe try resetting your receiver, reload ARC, and see what happens.
post #12324 of 16457
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

That is strange that you are getting audio sync problems. I've used a few sources (htpc, BD player, 2 different media players) and never had this issue. I wonder if any other owners have experienced this issue.
As for the receiver adapting itself to your old tv, I'm not sure that the receiver would store a display's EDID data.
Maybe try resetting your receiver, reload ARC, and see what happens.

Yeah, I am using both Ps3 and Dune Smart D1 as media players and zero audio delay, evarything works brilliantly and in sinc., even with my 15 meter HDMI cable to my projector.smile.gif

Ps. Did I mention how amazing this receiver sounds.smile.gif
post #12325 of 16457
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Originally Posted by saeyedoc View Post

Ok, forgot about the EDO option. Not sure about the optical input, I'm using HDMI from my Oppo.

I can now confirm that EDO works via optical to MRX700. It turns out that not all optical cables are created equal. Thanks for the help Saeyedoc. Its sounding good. Wondering if using the OPPO provides good enough interface. For sq Touch ive got lots of options.
post #12326 of 16457
Hy, I wanted to mention a coulple of things.

A friend of mine that has had his Anthem 500 for almos a year has told me that recently following the advice of a friend that knows a lot about hight quality home cinema equipment, told him to try to conect his music player thorugh coaxial instead of optical cable, and tells me that the diference is huge, my Ps3 and Dune D1 dont have coaxial so I cant try it, but wanted to mention it here in case others can try it, and also to hear what are your opinions.

I also wanted to mention that when I ran ARC it set all my speakers to 60hz, the other receivers Ive had set them to 80hz wich is suposed to be the standard, so I set them manually to 80hz, ¿what do you think is best?, should I leave them at 60hz, if I change it to 80hz amd I going against ARC EQ measurementes?

Thanks for everything.
post #12327 of 16457
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Originally Posted by NeogeoG View Post

Hy, I wanted to mention a coulple of things.
A friend of mine that has had his Anthem 500 for almos a year has told me that recently following the advice of a friend that knows a lot about hight quality home cinema equipment, told him to try to conect his music player thorugh coaxial instead of optical cable, and tells me that the diference is huge, my Ps3 and Dune D1 dont have coaxial so I cant try it, but wanted to mention it here in case others can try it, and also to hear what are your opinions.
I also wanted to mention that when I ran ARC it set all my speakers to 60hz, the other receivers Ive had set them to 80hz wich is suposed to be the standard, so I set them manually to 80hz, ¿what do you think is best?, should I leave them at 60hz, if I change it to 80hz amd I going against ARC EQ measurementes?
Thanks for everything.

Id follow ARC it knows better....
post #12328 of 16457
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Originally Posted by vkowalski1970 View Post

Id follow ARC it knows better....

+1
post #12329 of 16457
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Originally Posted by NeogeoG View Post

Hy, I wanted to mention a coulple of things.
A friend of mine that has had his Anthem 500 for almos a year has told me that recently following the advice of a friend that knows a lot about hight quality home cinema equipment, told him to try to conect his music player thorugh coaxial instead of optical cable, and tells me that the diference is huge, my Ps3 and Dune D1 dont have coaxial so I cant try it, but wanted to mention it here in case others can try it, and also to hear what are your opinions.
I also wanted to mention that when I ran ARC it set all my speakers to 60hz, the other receivers Ive had set them to 80hz wich is suposed to be the standard, so I set them manually to 80hz, ¿what do you think is best?, should I leave them at 60hz, if I change it to 80hz amd I going against ARC EQ measurementes?
Thanks for everything.

Changing what ARC sets can break the correction. Stick with the 60Hz as 80 is not the holy grail that some people think.
John
post #12330 of 16457
Ok, thanks guys for your comments, I will follow your advice and leave all the speakers at 60hz, its just a bit of a surprise that it doesnt use the usual 80hz, but I will follow what ARC sais, it surely knows what it does.smile.gif
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