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post #14011 of 14714
3/19/13 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by coresare View Post

Sub is set on bypass. I don't quite follow you. The sub corrected graph follows the target pretty close. Also I don't see the studio 100's dropping at 80 hz..I see the little dip on the left speaker, but is that that bad?

On your left front you have a 12db drop from 60hz to 80hz. I believe this is why
It set your fronts to 80hz. On your right front you have a large 15db drop from
Approx 120hz to 180hz. ARC has tried to correct this drop but it is still showing
An aggressive dip.

On your sub it is not important that it follows the target. You want to have a smooth
Even response from 120hz Down to 20hz..On your sub the freq response is dropping
22db (huge amount!) from 60hz to 90hz. This is why ARC set your sub to 80hz.

Please check out pages 93,94 and 95 of this thread. It shows how I
And member "litlegi74" solved our subwoofer problems. Look carefully
At the before and after graphs and you will see what I mean.
Edited by grasshoppers - 3/19/13 at 9:42pm
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post #14012 of 14714
3/19/13 at 11:33pm
Received a call back from Anthem regarding my MRX-500 that won't turn back on unless the power cord is unplugged and re-plugged. Anthem is aware of this problem and knows what the fix is. This will of course require me to ship my unit to Toronto for repairs. Fortunately my dealer here in Dallas will take care of the shipping and even loan me a Yamaha AVR to hold me over until my MRX comes back.
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post #14013 of 14714
3/20/13 at 5:42am
Hi all,
I don't understand the following. I have changed my Monitor Audio Apex for a complete set of MK S150MKII's. nothing else has changed in the system. My Sub15 used to be calibrated at -4 db. I have re run ARC and it came back set to -7 db. So I re ran PBK and ARC and now showing -8db. Gain control in the Sub15 is at half as it should be for PBK.
All graphs are good. Sub flat to 20hz, speakers all 80hz and 0 to-1db. Sub 120hz.
The only thing that has changed is the boundary gain from 3.945749 to now 1.734491.
How and why has this changed? Will this effect the sub output. The Apex were small monitors and obviously the MK's are 4ohm and far more powerful. The Apex were wall mounted and the MK's are stand mounted away from side walls.
I can't post graphs as laptop not working properly.
I have read the room gain advice but still confused. Is this connected to my sub db level?
Will it make a difference if I turn the sub gain down and re run,and if I don't what effect will this have on the SQ.

Sounds great, very detailed.

Sorry so many questions.
Edited by richmagnus - 3/20/13 at 9:31am
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post #14014 of 14714
3/20/13 at 7:03am
I searched the thread a bit so sorry if this has been asked, but...

I'm very interested in the MRX 300 but I'm worried about the fact that it was released two years ago. Is there any news about a 2013 update?
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post #14015 of 14714
3/20/13 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by nlpearman View Post

I searched the thread a bit so sorry if this has been asked, but...

I'm very interested in the MRX 300 but I'm worried about the fact that it was released two years ago. Is there any news about a 2013 update?

How can you update on PERFECTION wink.gif
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post #14016 of 14714
3/20/13 at 8:01am
coresare
Something is definately amiss. Have a lot of experience with 100s and sub 12 and yours are not right. May be room etc. Run Quick Measure to find better positions. Your speakers should be measuring a lot better.
TJG
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post #14017 of 14714
3/20/13 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by cambam007 View Post

I
may have a solution (until I send it for repair) turn cec on.
It leaves it in a snoozing state and wakes up like it should.
I left it like that last night and it was working this morning.
Have you tried a factory reset or uploading the firmware again?
I suspect a faulty psu but may be software related

Anthem (Paradigm) has contacted me and I will be sending in for repair under warranty. They know the issue and say it requires a "small modification to the power supply input board". Should be with them for 1 week. I'll miss my baby!
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post #14018 of 14714
3/20/13 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

Sorry AVfile, there never was a user control for boosting LFE, only cutting it by 10 dB or a variable amount in that range. This includes AVM 50v. Normally, LFE level is reduced by 10 dB in the source to allow headroom in the playback system because the sub channel has more in it than LFE. LFE is brought back up by 10 dB before redirected bass is added.

Many early dts releases didn't have the LFE de-emphasis so upon playback LFE was 10 dB high. This is the reason for a -10 control in the AVP/AVR - to bring such cases back to normal - and this control is for LFE only, not to be confused with the sub level control which acts on combined LFE and redirected bass. That one goes in both directions.

I wonder how often the control was used when in the early days, when it was needed, people often said they preferred a dts track over Dolby due to more "punch".

More to the original question, I'd recommend running ARC the normal way then if you feel like changing any speaker level, do so in the setup menu but keep a record of where ARC had set it so you have a reference.

Regardless, listen for a while before starting any changes. It's hard for me to imagine how we all lived for so long with boomy bass, the opposite of tight bass, but removing any boominess where it might have been present (and in the average room there's usually a dominant peak, just for starters) and then getting used to it might be a learning experience. After that you may never want to go back, so give it a chance.

Thanks!

What we're after is a way to temporarily boost the LFE channel only for movies that need some extra oompf. I do not want to raise the entire SUB (LFE + redirected bass) and mess up music and well mastered movies.
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post #14019 of 14714
3/20/13 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by TJG55 View Post

coresare
Something is definately amiss. Have a lot of experience with 100s and sub 12 and yours are not right. May be room etc. Run Quick Measure to find better positions. Your speakers should be measuring a lot better.
TJG
Maybe because I didn't move the mic all 5 times?
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post #14020 of 14714
3/20/13 at 9:47am
yes
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post #14021 of 14714
3/20/13 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

To get the best sound from your htpc with flac files, I recommend using connecting an hdmi cable and an optical/coaxial to your mrx. Use the hdmi input for watching movies and the optical input for flac files. I also recommend using a sound device that supports WASAPI to get bit-perfect audio to the mrx.

I'm a little curious why you recommend the optical toslink connection as opposed to HDMI for hi-res music sourced from a computer.

Thanks!
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post #14022 of 14714
3/20/13 at 11:47am
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On second thought, all 5 mike positions would not account necessarily for the anomolies. I believe it is a combination of room and placement. Again use QM to find positions that will eliminate the peaks and dips (dips most important to fix). BUT, by all means the 5 mike positions should follow Anthem's advice.
TJG
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post #14023 of 14714
3/20/13 at 12:22pm
Any tips on speaker placement? The only thing I know is when the speaker is closer to the wall it might exaggerate bass and make it sound more boomy?

Who would have thought fine tuning things would be this stressful.
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post #14024 of 14714
3/20/13 at 12:35pm
away from walls......again use QM
TJG
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post #14025 of 14714
3/20/13 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by nlpearman View Post

I searched the thread a bit so sorry if this has been asked, but...

I'm very interested in the MRX 300 but I'm worried about the fact that it was released two years ago. Is there any news about a 2013 update?
Hi the 300 was released 2 yrs ago but it has had firmware updates. The last update was July 26, 2012, so it was updated 8 months ago.
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post #14026 of 14714
3/20/13 at 5:56pm
/\/\ i think he means new models, and not software.
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post #14027 of 14714
3/20/13 at 6:12pm
Ah, OK thanks
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post #14028 of 14714
3/20/13 at 6:30pm
I bought the MRX 700 few weeks ago with no regrets regarding buying 'outdated'. I feel Anthem doesn't play that game of updating equipment every year to have the latest bells and whistles and making consumers feel their last year gear is now obsolete.
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post #14029 of 14714
3/20/13 at 8:17pm
I hear you: thanks for the responses. I only worry about buying one right now, only to see a new model released in four months.

...although, honestly, I don't see what now-available features would warrant a new model.
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post #14030 of 14714
3/21/13 at 5:44am
^^^^^^
I'm echoing your thoughts. I've been juggling between 3 models and am leaning towards an MRX. At the end of the day, the best audio fidelity is what I'm after so what else do I need my receiver to do? I'm no way near getting a 4K projector or tv. The only next "big thing" coming shortly is HDMI 2.0, but it looks like it won't be this year.

I have an Apple TV and a Roku 2 XS that I'm testing out right now for all the streaming, apps and other gadgetery and these have all the gadgets on may need. Plus, it's cheaper to upgrade than an AVR.

I'm just a little intimidated by ARC. I'm not a complete noob, I'm use to plug and play (Audyssey). On the other hand, this is THE best, most helpfull and respectful owner thread on this forum in my opinion so I'm sure I can get help if I'm stuck.

...decisions, decisions....
Edited by jproy13 - 3/21/13 at 6:43am
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post #14031 of 14714
3/21/13 at 6:18am
^^ Don't be intimidated by ARC, it has an automatic mode, biggest difference is it runs on a PC and connects to the MRX instead of running onboard the receiver itself. I just got an MRX-300 and was complete with ARC in 20-minutes. Sounds pretty darn awesome to, and I am sure when I have more time I can improve it with placement, but an initial look at the graphs looked pretty good, at least I thought they did at midnight after a cocktail or two! smile.gif
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post #14032 of 14714
3/21/13 at 8:12am
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Don't be intimidated by ARC, it has an automatic mode, biggest difference is it runs on a PC and connects to the MRX instead of running onboard the receiver itself. I just got an MRX-300 and was complete with ARC in 20-minutes.

Agreed....I have an MRX-500/Outlaw 7500 combo and It's great.....I've ran ARC 5 or 6 times already (in the process of demoing speakers) in the last couple of months, easy process.

What's also nice, is its quite simple to either set ARC EQ on or off for each of the various inputs (DIRECTV, different flavors of BluRay, i.e., multichannel, 2.0 stereo, Anthem Music, etc) - just have to go in setup menu/ listening preset modes, set EQ to either On or Off. pretty slick.
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post #14033 of 14714
3/21/13 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by coresare View Post

Ok so the [Small 80hz] setting on that speaker config menu is cutoff, not crossover level. Let me check out the beginning of this thread.

With ARC on it sounds "smoother" .. "flatter". I'm still trying to figure out what I personally like better. Bass and Treble are always left to 0. I inputted speaker distances. Using Anthem - Music for 2 channel sources. Everything is played off of my HTPC running J River. Evaluations are based off FLACs.

This is my first AVR. As someone said appropriately before I sorta jumped in with both feet haha.

One dilema I'm having is I have no way of telling the MRX whether I'm listening to music or movies since it is all from the same source (HTPC). I got used to the subwoofer turned up quite a bit more for movies and miss feeling the bass.

As far as I can tell I will have to manually turn the subwoofer level up on the MRX Level Calibration screen when I play movies and back down for music.

I'm not sure why the advice to use the optical link... I would just do the HDMI.

NOTE: you can assign the HDMI input to more than one source... so you could setup one source button (Say BDP) to HDMI (1) with settings for your Movie preferences and then also setup another source button (say CD) also to HDMI (1) and set the second source up with your Music preferences.
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post #14034 of 14714
3/22/13 at 4:04am
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

I'm not sure why the advice to use the optical link... I would just do the HDMI.

NOTE: you can assign the HDMI input to more than one source... so you could setup one source button (Say BDP) to HDMI (1) with settings for your Movie preferences and then also setup another source button (say CD) also to HDMI (1) and set the second source up with your Music preferences.

This tidbit of info may have very well tip the scale towards the MRX over the 818 mmmhhhh. One would accomplish that with a HDMI splitter?

cheers
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post #14035 of 14714
3/22/13 at 4:44am
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Originally Posted by jproy13 View Post

This tidbit of info may have very well tip the scale towards the MRX over the 818 mmmhhhh. One would accomplish that with a HDMI splitter?

cheers

Your question confuses me. There is no splitter required to accomplish this on the MRX. Two different source labels on the MRX are using the same HDMI input. And then each source on the MRX can be configured to your taste. ARC on or off; bass management mode; treble or bass attenuation, etc.
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post #14036 of 14714
3/22/13 at 4:56am
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Originally Posted by jproy13 View Post

This tidbit of info may have very well tip the scale towards the MRX over the 818 mmmhhhh. One would accomplish that with a HDMI splitter?

cheers

Your question confuses me. There is no splitter required to accomplish this on the MRX. Two different source labels on the MRX are using the same HDMI input. And then each source on the MRX can be configured to your taste. ARC on or off; bass management mode; treble or bass attenuation, etc.

Now I'm confused:eek: and I'm probably reading it wrong. I read it as 2 different sources to 1 HDMI input on the MRX both using HDMI.

I know you can use 2 sources to 1 label input like a BD using HDMI to input label BD and DVD player using components to input label BD
Edited by jproy13 - 3/22/13 at 5:06am
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post #14037 of 14714
3/22/13 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by jproy13 View Post

Now I'm confused:eek: and I'm probably reading it wrong. I read it as 2 different sources to 1 HDMI input on the MRX both using HDMI.

I know you can use 2 sources to 1 label input like a BD using HDMI to input label BD and DVD player using components to input label BD

What I'm describing is one source component (blu-ray player in this example) going to HDMI 1. Then on the MRX I'm setting up two "sources", both which use the HDMI 1 input. One I'm labeling BDP and the other CD. I set Movie mode as the default on BDP and Music mode on CD. My intent was not to confuse, sorry if I did!
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post #14038 of 14714
3/22/13 at 6:47am
^^^^
ah, now I get it. Using 1 source to perform 2 functions and both functions can have their own settings...right? right?smile.gif

Thanks for your patience,

cheers
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post #14039 of 14714
3/22/13 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by jproy13 View Post

^^^^
ah, now I get it. Using 1 source to perform 2 functions and both functions can have their own settings...right? right?smile.gif

Thanks for your patience,

cheers

Exactly!
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post #14040 of 14714
3/22/13 at 3:35pm
Ok so what's the best way to increase bass while playing movies. + db to Bass in settings or in speaker level calibration turn up the subwoofer? Both with ARC on.
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