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post #1471 of 16457
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

It is rare if ever that anyone in the Anthem statement thread has foregone Room Gain only to tell us how wonderful it sounded. If this is preference you'd think someone would prefer Room Gain not be considered but I can't remember a single case.
John

OK, but if they all adjusted it differently then it would point to it being a preference setting and not a reference one. Wouldn't it?

Jeff
post #1472 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

I believe it came from research at the National Research Council in Canada. You might be able to find some papers on it.

Googling now.

Jeff
post #1473 of 16457
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

OK, but if they all adjusted it differently then it would point to it being a preference setting and not a reference one. Wouldn't it?

Jeff

Most of them leave it exactly as ARC determines it so no it is not preference unless you consider accuracy a preference.
John
post #1474 of 16457
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Most of them leave it exactly as ARC determines it so no it is not preference unless you consider accuracy a preference.
John

Having taken "It is rare if ever that anyone in the Anthem statement thread has foregone Room Gain only to tell us how wonderful it sounded" to mean that they twiddled the Room Gain control to arrive at a result they liked, I stand corrected if you are really saying they largely leave it at default.

Jeff
post #1475 of 16457
As with all things, it's always about personal preference.

That said, coming from an Audyssey equipped 3808, I can definitely tell you that my MRX and ARC has got me closer than ever to my goal. A goal which has always been about recreating that BIG theater sound in my home. Is this goal anything more than a personal preference? Nope!

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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Thanks drhankz.
Nick at Anthem has stated many times that sounds will appear more natural when room gain is preserved. A flat freq. response would sound sterile and apparently does when room gain is absent. Audyssey doesn't do that so just another reason ARC sounds better. If anyone thinks this is about personal preference, just set Room Gain to 0 and give it a listen.
John

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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Thanks, jayray, I'm more interested in the science behind it. I don't think, at least initially, very few of us can trust our ears. Your bolded statement sounds exactly like preference. It's OK if that's what it is, but I don't think they should be confused.

My thinking is that the more the room's influence is removed, the closer the content will be to what the mixing engineer heard. Is there something I am misinformed about in that?

Jeff
post #1476 of 16457
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Save the charts as a screen capture and paste them into paint in widows. Then upload them using the "manage attachments" when replying. BTW I have the 100s and a cc690. They sound fabulous with ARC.
John
John

Ok here are the Charts. Thanks for your help John. Someone please review this and let me know if I should make some changes.
Thanks- Bryan
LL
LL
post #1477 of 16457
Hooked up the MRX 500 tonight replacing an old Rotel RSX 1056. Everything was going great (connected Oppo BDP 93, DVR/Cable Box, and Xbox using the receiver to switch the sources using the HDMI out to the TV with no apparent problems). While configuring the last device (a Wii), the video went corrupt out of the receiver (garbled picture). I verified that it was not the TV by plugging the HDMI cable directly into the Oppo, which worked fine. Switching inputs did change the picture, but it was still messed-up regardless of the input used. I managed to use the receiver's display to restore the factory defaults, which did not fix the problem. Powered-down, unplugged, etc, and the problem still remains. Any suggestions on what to do next before returning it and getting my $$ back? Thanks.

Heavygen
post #1478 of 16457
Is there any update on when the MRX 300 will be released?

I wanna play too.
post #1479 of 16457
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Originally Posted by BRAC View Post

I'm currently trying to find out if the usual RS meter correction even applies for the test signal I used here. If not, I may actually be closer to level than I originally thought. I will report back...

It looks like the test tone I'm using is a 40-80hz narrowband signal, designed for measuring and setting sub levels with a standard SPL meter, c-weighting and slow response. No correction necessary. I guess ARC's setting is closer to level than I originally thought.
post #1480 of 16457
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Originally Posted by BRAC View Post

That said, coming from an Audyssey equipped 3808, I can definitely tell you that my MRX and ARC has got me closer than ever to my goal. A goal which has always been about recreating that BIG theater sound in my home.

Quick one day observations..

1... As I mentioned earlier. Why no more OSD of audio mode, video resolutions, info display? My MRX is out of sight when using... very inconvenient. I know a workaround is to use the setup menu and go into each individual source advanced setting and change them there.

2... Best remote control transmission ever for an IR device.. small point, but really convenient.

3... Video quality looks good... nothing to complain about.. seems transparent..

4... Amp section.... Fantastic!!! Was most worried about this coming most recently from an Onkyo 5008.... Powerful, effortless.. just great.

5... Menu and GUI.. simple, easy to use...

6... Sound quality. Where the rubber meets the road.

I just changed my room back into a theater. Projection, 110" screen. 16x22.

I was lamenting to someone the other day how the speakers sound a little far away.. maybe I needed to step up to something bigger....

Room has hardwood floors with new area rug in front of new couch. No other treatments at this point.

Graphs will follow... After ARC, room opens up, speakers sound twice their size... can finally hear my rear surrounds... so pleased.

I've like, never loved, Audyssey....

I love the way my rooms sounds at this point.. this was a preliminary quick setup.

Another really interesting note is with my Onkyo and MRX pre-ARC, the center was 4 db different from the mains, the surrounds the same... with ARC, all the speakers are within 2 db of each other..

I have an obvious bump at 60Hz... outside of that, I was actually pleasantly surprised at the measurements (I know that the Def Tech's are fairly flat and neutral..)

Also.. room gain is as measured.. no adjustments.
LL
LL
LL
post #1481 of 16457
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Quick one day observations..

1... As I mentioned earlier. Why no more OSD of audio mode, video resolutions, info display? My MRX is out of sight when using... very inconvenient. I know a workaround is to use the setup menu and go into each individual source advanced setting and change them there.

2... Best remote control transmission ever for an IR device.. small point, but really convenient.

3... Video quality looks good... nothing to complain about.. seems transparent..

4... Amp section.... Fantastic!!! Was most worried about this coming most recently from an Onkyo 5008.... Powerful, effortless.. just great.

5... Menu and GUI.. simple, easy to use...

6... Sound quality. Where the rubber meets the road.

I just changed my room back into a theater. Projection, 110" screen. 16x22.

I was lamenting to someone the other day how the speakers sound a little far away.. maybe I needed to step up to something bigger....

Room has hardwood floors with new area rug in front of new couch. No other treatments at this point.

Graphs will follow... After ARC, room opens up, speakers sound twice their size... can finally hear my rear surrounds... so pleased.

I've like, never loved, Audyssey....

I love the way my rooms sounds at this point.. this was a preliminary quick setup.

Another really interesting note is with my Onkyo and MRX pre-ARC, the center was 4 db different from the mains, the surrounds the same... with ARC, all the speakers are within 2 db of each other..

I have an obvious bump at 60Hz... outside of that, I was actually pleasantly surprised at the measurements (I know that the Def Tech's are fairly flat and neutral..)

Also.. room gain is as measured.. no adjustments.

It would be nice to have a pop display on TV to tell what the AVR is doing, but there is none. You can find some info on the display of the AVR. Did you run ARC for movie and music?
post #1482 of 16457
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Quick one day observations..

1... As I mentioned earlier. Why no more OSD of audio mode, video resolutions, info display? My MRX is out of sight when using... very inconvenient. I know a workaround is to use the setup menu and go into each individual source advanced setting and change them there.

2... Best remote control transmission ever for an IR device.. small point, but really convenient.

3... Video quality looks good... nothing to complain about.. seems transparent..

4... Amp section.... Fantastic!!! Was most worried about this coming most recently from an Onkyo 5008.... Powerful, effortless.. just great.

5... Menu and GUI.. simple, easy to use...

6... Sound quality. Where the rubber meets the road.

I just changed my room back into a theater. Projection, 110" screen. 16x22.

I was lamenting to someone the other day how the speakers sound a little far away.. maybe I needed to step up to something bigger....

Room has hardwood floors with new area rug in front of new couch. No other treatments at this point.

Graphs will follow... After ARC, room opens up, speakers sound twice their size... can finally hear my rear surrounds... so pleased.

I've like, never loved, Audyssey....

I love the way my rooms sounds at this point.. this was a preliminary quick setup.

Another really interesting note is with my Onkyo and MRX pre-ARC, the center was 4 db different from the mains, the surrounds the same... with ARC, all the speakers are within 2 db of each other..

I have an obvious bump at 60Hz... outside of that, I was actually pleasantly surprised at the measurements (I know that the Def Tech's are fairly flat and neutral..)

Also.. room gain is as measured.. no adjustments.

The only thing that's jumping out at me is your sub. It looks like it's not capable of playing below 50 Hz. You should check your sub to make sure you don't have any internal crossovers on or if your sub has a HPF knob, make sure that's turned up to the highest frequency. If you do make changes to the internal crossover or if you move your sub, you will have to do another full measurement.
post #1483 of 16457
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

The only thing that's jumping out at me is your sub. It looks like it's not capable of playing below 50 Hz. You should check your sub to make sure you don't have any internal crossovers on or if your sub has a HPF knob, make sure that's turned up to the highest frequency. If you do make changes to the internal crossover or if you move your sub, you will have to do another full measurement.

Good observation on the sub.

Jeff
post #1484 of 16457
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Good observation on the sub.

Jeff

ARC is very helpful.
post #1485 of 16457
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post


The only thing that's jumping out at me is your sub. It looks like it's not capable of playing below 50 Hz. You should check your sub to make sure you don't have any internal crossovers on or if your sub has a HPF knob, make sure that's turned up to the highest frequency. If you do make changes to the internal crossover or if you move your sub, you will have to do another full measurement.

+1
John
post #1486 of 16457
After resolving the ASUS Xonar sound card HDMI bitstream issue, I encountered new ones. Sorry if the followings have been raised before:-

When playing DTS-HDMA 7.1 channels BDMV files, the surround back speakers did not have sound. I am certain that this was possible before the MRX700. Strange thing is that there is sound from surround back speakers when the source is Dolby Ture HD. Is that some specific setting in the Audio/video setup and presets--Listening mode presets?

Is it possible to "give me" Windows XP driver for the Keyspan USA-19HS so that I can instll it before the Installer comes this Saturday in order to save time and convince hime to do the ARC set-up in my computer instead of his notebook(The usb adapter is currently out of stock here in HK and the distributor of Anthem only have one left for daily demo and installation for clients.

Can I just download the latest ARC software and install it in my computer first without attaching the Keyspan adapter or that is required to be connected it to the receiver during installation?
post #1487 of 16457
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Originally Posted by rklpoon View Post


Is it possible to "give me" Windows XP driver for the Keyspan USA-19HS

You can download it from their website
post #1488 of 16457
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

You can download it from their website

Thank you very much. I missed that when I first checked the website. BTW, can I install the driver without "connecting" the adapter to the computer and the receiver?
post #1489 of 16457
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Originally Posted by rklpoon View Post

Thank you very much. I missed that when I first checked the website. BTW, can I install the driver without "connecting" the adapter to the computer and the receiver?

That is a GOOD QUESTION - I do not remember. I had my Keyspan
when I installed my software.
post #1490 of 16457
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Originally Posted by rklpoon View Post

After resolving the ASUS Xonar sound card HDMI bitstream issue, I encountered new ones. Sorry if the followings have been raised before:-

When playing DTS-HDMA 7.1 channels BDMV files, the surround back speakers did not have sound. I am certain that this was possible before the MRX700. Strange thing is that there is sound from surround back speakers when the source is Dolby Ture HD. Is that some specific setting in the Audio/video setup and presets--Listening mode presets?

Can I just download the latest ARC software and install it in my computer first without attaching the Keyspan adapter or that is required to be connected it to the receiver during installation?

When playing a 5.1 source you probably want the preset at Dolby IIx to raise it to 7.1

Yes you can download and install without the keyspan. You will have to copy the mic calibration file from the CD for ARC. Almost easier to install from the CD then install from the download over top.
post #1491 of 16457
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Originally Posted by rklpoon View Post

Thank you very much. I missed that when I first checked the website. BTW, can I install the driver without "connecting" the adapter to the computer and the receiver?

Yes, you can install the keyspan driver without the adapter. And even if you had the adapter, you would want to install the driver BEFORE you attach the adapter for the first time.

You can also install ARC before you get the adapter (you just can't run any measurments because you won't be able to connect to the MRX).

I would download the latest driver off of Keyspans site:

http://www.tripplite.com/en/products...xtModelID=3914

Check out the last tab "Help & Resources"

Then I would install ARC, if you use the CD your MRX shipped with, make sure you download and install the latest version of ARC from Anthems site as well. If you simply download and install the current version, make sure you follow instructions to copy the microphone calibration file into the install directory (this way the install will copy it during installation for you).

If you didn't copy the calibration file during install you can manualy copy it after the fact to the install directory. I think I posted where mine lives in an earlier post a few pages back. Again if you first installed from the CD, no need to worry about the calibration file as it was coppied from the CD durring the install and future upgrades will not over write it.
post #1492 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

When playing a 5.1 source you probably want the preset at Dolby IIx to raise it to 7.1

Yes you can download and install without the keyspan. You will have to copy the mic calibration file from the CD for ARC. Almost easier to install from the CD then install from the download over top.

Thank you for you help. When drilling down the listening modes presets, I found:-

under "Source":-
2.0
2.0 Dobly Digital Surround
Multi Channel PCM
5.1 Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital Surround EX
5.1 DTS
DTS-ES

and the available matching "modes"(excluding Anthem logic Music and Cinema):-

PII X Movie
PII X Music
PLII Game
Neo 6 Music
Neo 6 Cinema
Dolby VS Wide
Dolby VS Reference

When source is DTS-HDMA 5.1 channel, under whcih source item(s) and which corresponding mode(s) to would expand to 7.1 channels?

And what is the difference between Dolby VS Wide and Dolby VS Reference?
post #1493 of 16457
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post


The only thing that's jumping out at me is your sub. It looks like it's not capable of playing below 50 Hz. You should check your sub to make sure you don't have any internal crossovers on or if your sub has a HPF knob, make sure that's turned up to the highest frequency. If you do make changes to the internal crossover or if you move your sub, you will have to do another full measurement.

I know.... It isn't placed yet.... As I said, this was a slap together first run.

It is fairly capable of reproducing below 50Hz with fairly punishing authority.
post #1494 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post


It would be nice to have a pop display on TV to tell what the AVR is doing, but there is none. You can find some info on the display of the AVR. Did you run ARC for movie and music?

Brian. I am going to run a new ARC this am while I pay more attention.

What bothers me about the lack of OSD is that the pop up is there when you change a source, I.e. You see the source name. Input codec and resolution....

Nick... Any chance you will throw us receiver out of sight owners a bone in future FW?
post #1495 of 16457
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I've like, never loved, Audyssey....

My thoughts exactly...

Audyssey worked really well with my previous Paradigm Signature/dual Sub 12 setup. Then, when I made the switch to my current Klipsch Heritage/SubMersive setup, I could never really get them to play nice together. Audyssey would always set my sub distance at 0.1ft and though the system sounded fine, I felt like the sound was slightly compressed and void of detail. I played around with the "Flat" setting, which did help a little, and I tried countless suggestions from Chris, and others, to get that sub distance thing sorted out. I eventually threw in the towel and a brief search lead me to the MRX and ARC. I was pleasantly surprised. Everything opened up, the detail and clarity was astounding, and my theater sounded BIG!

Btw, did I mention that your initial impressions closely mirror my own?
post #1496 of 16457
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Brian. I am going to run a new ARC this am while I pay more attention.

What bothers me about the lack of OSD is that the pop up is there when you change a source, I.e. You see the source name. Input codec and resolution....

Nick... Any chance you will throw us receiver out of sight owners a bone in future FW?

Hey Film Mixer,
I know you have only just started to use this AVR, but how does it compare with the onkyo you had that has the Audysse XT 32bit version? I was thinking about purchasing this AVR before I decided on the Anthem.
post #1497 of 16457
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Originally Posted by Odd I/O View Post

Is there any update on when the MRX 300 will be released?(

The dealer I have been in contact with told me today that it has been released/shipping for a few weeks now.
post #1498 of 16457
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Originally Posted by heavygen View Post

Hooked up the MRX 500 tonight replacing an old Rotel RSX 1056. Everything was going great (connected Oppo BDP 93, DVR/Cable Box, and Xbox using the receiver to switch the sources using the HDMI out to the TV with no apparent problems). While configuring the last device (a Wii), the video went corrupt out of the receiver (garbled picture). I verified that it was not the TV by plugging the HDMI cable directly into the Oppo, which worked fine. Switching inputs did change the picture, but it was still messed-up regardless of the input used. I managed to use the receiver's display to restore the factory defaults, which did not fix the problem. Powered-down, unplugged, etc, and the problem still remains. Any suggestions on what to do next before returning it and getting my $$ back? Thanks.

Heavygen

Make sure you're running the latest software updates. It sounds as if your issue is one described in the release notes.
-Peter
post #1499 of 16457
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Brian. I am going to run a new ARC this am while I pay more attention.

What bothers me about the lack of OSD is that the pop up is there when you change a source, I.e. You see the source name. Input codec and resolution....

Nick... Any chance you will throw us receiver out of sight owners a bone in future FW?

I'm going to have to jump on this also. My receiver is not only out of sight, but to get to it I have to move a 100 lb. S-8 tower. Even my 2 year old Pioneer SC-37 at least has dedicated buttons on the remote.

I bought your S-8-s, I bought two of your subs, etc., I bought your receiver, can you throw us a bone here? If you can't do the OSD which we'd prefer, at least perhaps remote codes so we can create a virtual button on our third party remotes?

This is an annoying oversight in what is in most ways an astounding piece of equipment.
post #1500 of 16457
I don't have one yet (300 ordered) but mine will also be out of sight so I'd like as much info on the OSD overlay as possible!
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