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post #14821 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

With the refreshes only coming out every few years, I really, really hope this has HDMI 2.0, or some sort of upgrade path.

From what I've seen it takes most manufacturers (at least the one's I pay attention to) a little over a year from "Initial Release date" to introduce a new HDMI version. Since AFAIK HDMI 2.0 has not had an initial release yet....

We are probably looking around middle/late 2014 at best.

HDMI 2.0 could be a serious HW challenge since from a performance POV it's very different. Hopefully, it won't be the mess that 1.3 was for many of the smaller (or non-Jap) companies. From a users POV I'm not sure how important it really will be. 4K/60fps from what source? Streaming?

I would MOST appreciate "Dynamic Auto Lip-sync", if it really works.

Anthem has had shortages of the 700 before. It took a few extra months for me to get my third and last 700, because of a shortage at the time. Personally, I think they had made some "tweaks" to it. The way it handled MUTE and NO SIGNAL was different from the previous 2 700's. Didn't solve the problem, however.
Edited by dean-l - 7/8/13 at 6:41pm
post #14822 of 16451
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Originally Posted by dean-l View Post

From what I've seen it takes most manufacturers (at least the one's I pay attention to) a little over a year from "Initial Release date" to introduce a new HDMI version. Since AFAIK HDMI 2.0 has not had an initial release yet....

We are probably looking around middle/late 2014 at best.

HDMI 2.0 could be a serious HW challenge since from a performance POV it's very different. Hopefully, it won't be the mess that 1.3 was for many of the smaller (or non-Jap) companies. From a users POV I'm not sure how important it really will be. 4K/60fps from what source? Streaming?

I would MOST appreciate "Dynamic Auto Lip-sync", if it really works.

Anthem has had shortages of the 700 before. It took a few extra months for me to get my third and last 700, because of a shortage at the time. Personally, I think they had made some "tweaks" to it. The way it handled MUTE and NO SIGNAL was different from the previous 2 700's. Didn't solve the problem, however.

4K/60 and 1080p/60/3D is achievable today in PC games with the right gear. I regularly play in 1080p/60/3D on my dual-link DVI monitor, but anytime hook it up to my plasma, I'm limited to 720p/60/3D (1080p/24 is unplayable).

It's an essential feature to me, I refuse to buy any new equipment until HDMI 2.0 is out, because 1.4 is already obsolete.
post #14823 of 16451
For me I have no need for 4K or HDMI 2.0 until it's available on BD.
post #14824 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

For me I have no need for 4K or HDMI 2.0 until it's available on BD.

Well, there's at least already one movie that couldnt be done on HDMI 1.4 - The Hobbit in 48fps/3D. It'll make it's way to some format eventually. I'd hate to spend thousands of dollars on equipment that can't last.
post #14825 of 16451
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I wouldn't be in for 4k HDMI 2.0. I'm saying until movies are available, in 4K in mass I don't have a need for it. Once they are releasing movies in 4K in mass I'd be in. I'm not investing until there is software readily available and not talking about a movie here and there. As for 3D it's been a bust for movies and may not be around much longer. Studios have lost a lot of money making movies in 3D. not to even mention how bad sales of 3D TVs are and how much manufacturers have lost on them. My point is until 4K HDMI 2.0 really takes off I have no need for it and it's going to be a while for that so I have no need for it in a receiver right now.
Edited by Legairre - 7/8/13 at 7:52pm
post #14826 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

4K/60 and 1080p/60/3D is achievable today in PC games with the right gear. I regularly play in 1080p/60/3D on my dual-link DVI monitor, but anytime hook it up to my plasma, I'm limited to 720p/60/3D (1080p/24 is unplayable).

It's an essential feature to me, I refuse to buy any new equipment until HDMI 2.0 is out, because 1.4 is already obsolete.

I'm over 18, I don't play video games anymore. tongue.gif

I'm a big boy now. biggrin.gif
post #14827 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I wouldn't be in for 4k HDMI 2.0. I'm saying until movies are available, in 4K in mass I don't have a need for it. Once they are releasing movies in 4K in mass I'd be in. I'm not investing until there is software readily available and not talking about a movie here and there. As for 3D it's been a bust for movies and may not be around much longer. Studios have lost a lot of money making movies in 3D. not to even mention how bad sales of 3D TVs are and how much manufacturers have lost on them. My point is until 4K HDMI 2.0 really takes off I have no need for it and it's going to be a while for that so I have no need for it in a receiver right now.

I definitely get what youre saying. I wouldn't buy an AVR just because it has HDMI 2...but I won't buy one without it. I think it would be something to want simply for future proofing. I don't have more than 5.1 at the moment...but I wouldn't buy an AVR that supports any less than 9.1. Cant say I'm doing much listening to 96/24 audio, but I wouldn't buy an AVR that's limited to 48/24 anymore either. I expect to get a few years out of a $1000+ purchase, so it needs to be ahead of the curve.

The entire industry is going to move to 2.0 very rapidly once it's available. Most other manufacturers release yearly, but if Anthem sticks to a 3-4 year cycle, they're going to be behind the times for most of it. The MRX series is fine as it is. They should just wait it out.
post #14828 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

The entire industry is going to move to 2.0 very rapidly once it's available. Most other manufacturers release yearly, but if Anthem sticks to a 3-4 year cycle, they're going to be behind the times for most of it. The MRX series is fine as it is. They should just wait it out.
I wouldn't mind at all if Anthem has an upgrade path built in. 4k might be just a software thing for the lower frame rates, just like Sony is doing with some TVs with the arrival of their 4k player, afaik that requires HDCP 2.2 and does 30p/24p only. The next gen gaming consoles might become vod players of choice for most hh - afaik these will be limited to 4k-24p via HDMI too.
I wouldn't ask for a 4k upscaler that does 60p in an MRX line either, as long as the lip sync can be done I'm fine with seperate video components and cabling, for that exotic yet unknown HDMI2.0 must have player.
So for MRX line (it's not an AVM50 or D2) I don't see the point for the next 3-4 year cycle. Sony goes ahead, but imo there is no standard for HFR 4k video discs or vod on the horizon anytime soon, it shouldn't hold back Anthem from release of new MRX products, I don't want to wait any longer than really necessary, MRX supply chain has dried out in Europe already - definitely not fine as it is.eek.gif
And for high end PC gaming I see no need to route video via the receiver, there is nothing it can improve, it just might save you a 2in1 video switch and even add some lag (?).
Edited by mazpri - 7/10/13 at 6:15am
post #14829 of 16451
I wouldn't say "most" manu's update each year.

Even the Japanese have skips years for a number of models here and there.

But Rotel, Arcam, Anthem, Cary Audio, Classe, Cambridge Audio, even NAD are FAR from a yearly update - even for AVR's. Many AVPro's are from 2008. Arcam AVR600 is 2008/Anthem MRX's are 2010. 2013 (and maybe a little 14) is turing out to be a big update year for many.

And those updates are going to get really bad again (like in the 2009-2012 era) starting in late 2014/early 2015 when the US economy gets really really bad. We''ll be seeing a rash of bankruptcies/buyouts in 2015/16. I'm guessing a good handful will simply disappear, including some bigger than expected names.
post #14830 of 16451
What makes you think the ecomomy will be bad in 15/16?
post #14831 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

What makes you think the ecomomy will be bad in 15/16?

I would've said end of 2013/early 2014 but that was unconstitutionally pushed back a year. So now it's end of 2014/early 2015. Just after the election, Ironic.

Imagine another 10-20 million full-time people barely getting by NOW(or slowly sinking), going less than 30 hours a week. That's it, they are done.

There's a BUNCH of stats about employment in the US, that blew MY mind, and I KNEW it would get bad. And western Europe..........they make us look good.

Anyway, for Audio manu's. The economy will not be "bad"(we have had THAT for 5 years), it's going to be "really really" bad.

Broke/bought/merger/gone. You can expect something like 1/2 the little guys disappearing (the Rotel's/Arcam/Anthem/Cary/etc.) and a couple big boys folding shop (like a Denon/etc.) and some will just be shells (like some "almost" are now) no new products, no engineers, etc. Just selling the same stuff for years hoping to coast along to the other side.
Edited by dean-l - 7/12/13 at 9:42am
post #14832 of 16451
Trying in vain to not drift OT . . .

While I may not be quite as convinced as dean about this, I would not be at all surprised if this scenario panned out. There is a good chance that in the next two or three years we will see an economy and stock market in worse shape than the mess that started in 2008. Even with unprecedentedly aggressive fiscal policy over the past few years pumping insane amounts of money into the system, the economy and people of America still struggle. Not sayin it's gonna happen, but I think it's very possible. And, more to the topic, if it happens then companies of all types (including especially "luxury item" companies like audio/video) will get beat up and any of them struggling now will most certainly bite the dust. I hope it isn't the case . . .
post #14833 of 16451
Hi All, it's me again.. As you know i bought the MRX 300 and had to send back the very 2nd day when i hit an issue while doing SW upgrade. Anyways after 2 weeks i got it back and i was really happy with the SQ and especially how MRX handles the Bass & Surround. For 1 week i used the system in default settings no change in anything and then i decided to run infamous ARC (One of the compelling reason to buy MRX) and to my surprise after ARC SQ is so bad that i really don't understand what went wrong.
I can't believe my ear that this is the same MRX which was producing excellent sound before running ARC and now after ARC i almost doesn't want to play anything.
Can someone tell me what could be wrong... I hear lot of distortion, hissing noise etc can't play music/movie on a high volume cuz noise increases a lot and it all sound like a mixture no degree of separation in SQ at all especially at higher volume.
post #14834 of 16451
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

Hi All, it's me again.. As you know i bought the MRX 300 and had to send back the very 2nd day when i hit an issue while doing SW upgrade. Anyways after 2 weeks i got it back and i was really happy with the SQ and especially how MRX handles the Bass & Surround. For 1 week i used the system in default settings no change in anything and then i decided to run infamous ARC (One of the compelling reason to buy MRX) and to my surprise after ARC SQ is so bad that i really don't understand what went wrong.
I can't believe my ear that this is the same MRX which was producing excellent sound before running ARC and now after ARC i almost doesn't want to play anything.
Can someone tell me what could be wrong... I hear lot of distortion, hissing noise etc can't play music/movie on a high volume cuz noise increases a lot and it all sound like a mixture no degree of separation in SQ at all especially at higher volume.

You'll need to provide some more information if you want others to assist. First off, reopen ARC and capture screen shots of the various graphs, and also the Targets dialog box - that may give an indication of what's wrong. But also, what crossover settings, etc, did you use before running ARC - as they would have needed to be set manually if ARC was not run?
A description of the microphone positions you used could be useful - have you read any of the setup guides for ARC (or you could refer to the excellent guide developed by Audyssey users - just pay attention to parts that are relevant to both systems)
I really think we need to see the graphs and maybe to pictures of equipment, in order to try to help.
In the meantime you can always switch ARC off for each source, if its that bad.

Regards, Mike.
post #14835 of 16451
Hi Mike,
I have a 7.1 setup with 2 height speakers... I'm using CA Minx 20 & 10 for my setup. I have run the setup again today and have uploaded all the graphs.
Interestingly ARC setup is changing the crossover everytime, my speakers recommended crossover settings are 140/150 but ARC has set the following cross over
Center & SR/SL: 60
Front 120
Height L & R: 80

First ARC



2nd Run of ARC



Both times almost the same result, the major impact i see is on vocals ...earlier the surround effect was great with good vocals but now vocals are like almost gone.
post #14836 of 16451
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

Hi All, it's me again.. As you know i bought the MRX 300 and had to send back the very 2nd day when i hit an issue while doing SW upgrade. Anyways after 2 weeks i got it back and i was really happy with the SQ and especially how MRX handles the Bass & Surround. For 1 week i used the system in default settings no change in anything and then i decided to run infamous ARC (One of the compelling reason to buy MRX) and to my surprise after ARC SQ is so bad that i really don't understand what went wrong.
I can't believe my ear that this is the same MRX which was producing excellent sound before running ARC and now after ARC i almost doesn't want to play anything.
Can someone tell me what could be wrong... I hear lot of distortion, hissing noise etc can't play music/movie on a high volume cuz noise increases a lot and it all sound like a mixture no degree of separation in SQ at all especially at higher volume.
Mine had tons of distortion and stuff until I turned off Dolby volume. Then everything sounded great.
post #14837 of 16451
I have tried that as well, yes it does improve the distortion but frankly i'm still not impress with the SQ especially vocals.
I was more impress with AVR before running ARC then now. Now i started feeling that may be my decision to change to Anthem from CA Azur was not a good decision.
so please help me out.
post #14838 of 16451
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

I have tried that as well, yes it does improve the distortion but frankly i'm still not impress with the SQ especially vocals.
I was more impress with AVR before running ARC then now. Now i started feeling that may be my decision to change to Anthem from CA Azur was not a good decision.
so please help me out.

I would like to see the targets Window if possible. I have a pretty good idea of what is going on though.

The Freq response of your speakers drops dramatically below 200Hz...too much for ARC to correct.
This is evident in all speakers.

With a drop off of req response to that degree what ARC would try to do is have your
subwoofer try to cover the gap in freq response up to 200hz.. this is why
ARC is setting your crossover to 60HZ.

the issue is your subwoofer. you would ideally have a flat freq response from the peak
measurement (50HZ) all the way up to 200hz (which is where your speakers drop off)
Your sub freq response is dropping very quickly from 60hz.

Basically we have a huge gap from 80hz up to 200hz with very little output, creating a
rather large gap in the sound spectrum.

you will need to move your sub around to try a get a better response (more even)
from 60hz up to 200 hz.
Edited by grasshoppers - 7/13/13 at 7:03am
post #14839 of 16451
I have uploaded the graphs in my earlier post... so how to correct this if what you say is right about setting the crossover to 60?
post #14840 of 16451
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

I have uploaded the graphs in my earlier post... so how to correct this if what you say is right about setting the crossover to 60?

Need to see the TARGETS window in addition to the graphs. Try to move the sub to different positions using the
Quick measure function for the sub only. we want the sub to have more out put from 60hz up to 200hz.

Is the subwoofer crossover on the back of your sub turned up to as high as it can go??
post #14841 of 16451
This is a graph of a subwoofer that has solid freq response up to 200hz,which is what
we would like to see in you situation. notice the difference in
this graph and yours.




post #14842 of 16451
Here's the target window of 2nd run of ARC which set it to 60hz
post #14843 of 16451
Thank You, your target window confirms what i suspected.

Here is what you can do... change your Minx 20's to 180hz,
change your Minx 10's to 200hz.. This will be closer to what
the factory specs are for your speakers.

you can then upload the changes to ARC, listen,and see if it
makes a difference in what you are hearing...it should.

You are still going to need to address the issues with your subwoofer.
If you can achieve a better freq response on your sub (up to 200hz)
you should be good to go.

what is the make and model of the subwoofer you are using??
post #14844 of 16451
ok so let me understand and correct me.
I will do the following:
Open the ARC setup and select manual. Then select the already calibrated ARC file and open.
Once in that window, i will change the values as you mentioned in the target window right, then press calculate and then just upload. RIGHT?
I don't need to run the whole setup again with MIC right? BTW the speakers manual says 120 & 140 for Min 20 & 10.. i have just uploaded a file in the same way with changing values to 150 for all speakers... Do you think that will work i change as per your suggestion?
post #14845 of 16451
You are correct... you do not need to run ARC again with the MIC. I would
suggest you stick with the Numbers i gave you for your speakers, this
is the number that best reflects your speakers response IN YOUR SET-UP.

The numbers the factory report for your speakers are based on an ideal
situation in an ideal room etc etc.

You still need to eventually address the sub issue!!

Have you checked to see if the freq response knob on your sub is set to as high
as it can go??
post #14846 of 16451
ok i will upload again with your suggested crossover.
I have right now set the crossover at 150 in my sub, so you suggest i change that to the full as well?
BTW what would you suggest to set the phase to in sub back (0/90/180) also the volume level at the back of sub?
post #14847 of 16451
BTW i just checked the setup can't let me change the setting for crossover above 150. if i type 180 it says bad value.
post #14848 of 16451
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

BTW i just checked the setup can't let me change the setting for crossover above 150. if i type 180 it says bad value.

Is this for the sub or the speakers??

Leave the phase at 0. set the crossover on the back of the sub to as
high as it can go.

Unfortunately you cant just change the sub crossover in ARC.
I would leave it at 100.. which is where ARC set it.

At this point I would like to see if you are able to change the crossover values
for your speakers FIRST.
post #14849 of 16451
EDIT!! My mistake, looks like on ARC the highest you can set your
speakers for is 150HZ. Set all your speakers at this value,then upload!
post #14850 of 16451
Sure that's what I have done and uploaded already. What about on the back of sub? Should I set that to 150 as well or all the way?
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