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post #14881 of 16451
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

I have tried that by increasing db level but to me it feels like that by changing db level manually for center or any other channel does improve vocals but it disturb the overall sound stage...
For my understanding like in Audyssy if you change the db level manually it switch off the Audyssy... isn't it the same with ARC?

This will not defeat ARC. A slight increase of the db level on the center channel should not drastically change
the sound stage. Generally speaking a 3 db increase is the point that is barely noticeable to human hearing.

if you can post a pic of your front 3 it may help if your speaker positioning is 'compromised'
post #14882 of 16451
Here's is the pic of my front speakers but there shouldn't be a problem with placement cuz earlier same speakers were producing excellent SQ.
post #14883 of 16451
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

Here's is the pic of my front speakers but there shouldn't be a problem with placement cuz earlier same speakers were producing excellent SQ.

Thanks for the pic. By having your speakers placed at the back of your
entertainment stand what is happening is the sound waves are
reflecting/bouncing off of the hard surface in front of them.

This is causing some issues with what you are hearing.
Reflected sound is never good!! ARC can help with
this issue to a degree...but, in any set-up it is always
best to have the speakers positioned properly before
trying to correct other room issues.

Would it be possible to move the front 3 speakers to
the front edge of your entertainment stand??

Of course if you do this you would have to run a new
set of ARC sweeps with the mic. biggrin.gif
post #14884 of 16451
This is a temp setup i'm planning to place all these 5 front speakers on the wall alongside TV instead of on the TV cabinet.
Frankly you have been a great help but keep changing these calculations and not getting the right sound has been frustrating and i'm seriously thinking to go back to CA Azur... I might have been happy with this system as it is if i would not have owned and listened to Azur with these speakers.
When i tested these speakers with CA Azur the first thing came in my mind was that yes this is worth the upgrade and i made the right decision and since i bought this MRX i have been waiting for the similar moment to enjoy with Anthem.
I will try to run ARC again tomorrow to see if anything changes, if there's any other suggestion do let me know before i make up my mind to replace this again with Azur.
post #14885 of 16451
Before you rush to judgement against the MRX you should
set your speakers to their permanent listening positions and re-calibrate.
post your graphs and target windows afterward.

The current placement is certainly less than ideal and frankly I can't
understand why you would try out different AVR's with speakers
that were placed in a temporary and compromised position.

Due to the large time differences in our locations I will
be 'chasing the dollar' at this time tomorrow.

I certainly wish you the best of luck in your quest.
post #14886 of 16451
Thanks grasshoppers as i said earlier you have been a great help and frankly i don't want to rush into deciding this as well but it has been frustrating.
I do understand your reasoning but my point is that if CA Azur can perform so well with the same speakers with this temp positioning then why not Anthem MRX?
As i said i have used Azur with these speakers for 2 weeks and couldn't be more happier with both speakers and AVR but somehow still decided to change to MRX after reading so many reviews (I was otherwise upgrading to 651r from 551r) and since the day i bought MRX especially since the day i ran ARC i'm not satisfied with the performance of AVR.
post #14887 of 16451
The Anthem MRX's have an unclear center channel because they leak too much info into the right and left channels.

All the ARC running/settings in the world will not change this. It is inherent to the MRX design. I owned three 700's over 14 months. They all had blurry center channels. (actually ALL channels leak into other channels, it is most easily noticed with the center channel )

I've discussed this extensively in the CA 651r/751r thread. (551r is a different design)

With Anthem, voices come from "around" the center channel, with CA (and Arcam too) the voices come FROM the center channel. HUGE difference.

It's also why 2 channel music has little soundstage or depth.

Just pray you don't get the static RF-like noise.
Edited by dean-l - 7/14/13 at 1:53pm
post #14888 of 16451
Thanks dean-I i was used too to have Azur 551r and was planning to upgrade to 651r but decided to buy MRX 300 to give it a try. So when i refer Azur means Azur 551r which was running perfectly fine with the same speakers and producing excellent sound from center speakers but i think now i must go back and back Azur 651r
post #14889 of 16451
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Originally Posted by dean-l View Post

The Anthem MRX's have an unclear center channel because they leak too much info into the right and left channels.

All the ARC running/settings in the world will not change this. It is inherent to the MRX design. I owned three 700's over 14 months. They all had blurry center channels. (actually ALL channels leak into other channels, it is most easily noticed with the center channel )

I've discussed this extensively in the CA 651r/751r thread. (551r is a different design)

With Anthem, voices come from "around" the center channel, with CA (and Arcam too) the voices come FROM the center channel. HUGE difference.

It's also why 2 channel music has little soundstage or depth.

Just pray you don't get the static RF-like noise.
I completely disagree. My center channel through my MRX300 is extremely clear. I've read your past posts of your dislike or disappointment with your MRX, but my experience as well as others in this thread, as well as countless professional audio reviews disagree with your assessment of the MRX receives in general, as well as your assessment of their center channel performance. I've owned the below pre/pros and receivers since 1999: The MRX300 I have now produces better sound quality than any of the ones listed below with the exception being the Sherwood P-965 which I'd say is on par with the MRX300.

Sherwood Newcastle P-965(pre/pro)
Denon AVR-3300(receiver)
Pioneer VSX-92TXH(receiver)
Rotel RSP-1066(pre/pro)
Marantz AV7005 (pre/pro)

In one of your previous post you said the MRX has problems with their video chips and now you say they leak info into the left and right channels. Not a single professional review has mentioned any of the things you have and other members haven't seemed to mention the issues you have either. I know you didn't like the MRX units you had but it's starting to sound more like you have an ax to grind. Could you point myself and others to documented proof of how the MRX steering leaks info to the channels and blurs the center channel or other channels or is this just your opinion?
post #14890 of 16451
Hi Legairre in that case do you have any tips for me to try to find out why my center channel is not producing clear vocals... I have tried almost everything i could with the help of grasshoppers and have posted all the graphs and settings too.
post #14891 of 16451
Hello rmunawar9, The only issue I ever had with my center channel was due to Dolby volume being on and I know you said yours is off. I've gone through this thread earlier today and I couldn't find anyone with a problem with the center channel like your having. I do have a few questions that could effect performance a lot. When you run ARC is the mic pointed up at the ceiling? Is your mic at ear level when you run ARC? Is you mic in the position where your head would be or in front or behind where your head would be?

Also can you place the speakers in the positions you would like them to be? In order for you to get a proper calibration speaker placement is a very important part of any calibration. I'd be more than happy to help in any way I can. I run my MRX 300 with Monitor Audio Silver speaker and three Rotel amps and it is an absolute stellar receiver (though I use it as a pre/pro).
post #14892 of 16451
Yes, 14 months and three units. There are a few significant problems that can ruin a potentially great AVR.

Your's is different that's great. Not ALL posts in here need to be positive to a product. Maybe rmunawar9 would have been helped more if people who "tried and tried and tried then dumped" MRX's stayed around.

When was the last time you've read a Pro reviewers review of an AVR and didn't think half of it could be ANY AVR?
(however, I WILL say you need to read more reviews of Sherwood products)

The more AVR reviews I've read the more they sound the same. Except maybe WhatHiFi. They are really willing to give true stinker reviews.

As far as the chips, I corrected that, it's the AVR implementation.

I actually think I've been QUITE consistent over the last 15 months.

Static in channel(s)
Hard to hear center channels
Blurring of channels (back to hard to hear center channel)
Bad soundstage/depth
Strange Video Processing issues
Ocassionally goes "ape-sh!t" goofy
One of the best AVR's out there. (read my CA 751r review from a few months ago in the CA751r/651r forum)

You can find much of this in posts over a year ago.

I try not to post too much in here, but when someone has the same problems I did, I want them to know they are NOT alone. NOT everyone has had PERFECT experiences with MRX's.

P.S. Your group of AVR/Pro's. I would EASILY take the Anthem. tongue.gif If I were you I would think the Anthem is the best too, no question, easy.

AND I wished rmunawar9 well in the 751r/651r forum when he left. I told him he'd enjoy the Anthem, I liked mine, just too many things wrong with it, I thought I could do better.
Edited by dean-l - 7/14/13 at 3:34pm
post #14893 of 16451
Well I was really doing great for 6 months with my 300..sigh....but now I'm so bummed!.. Just sent it out for repair..I was just watching a movie and the mrx300 shut off..said power protection mode
So I checked all my speaker wires ...all is good there..unplugged all cables and took it to another room and just plugged it into outlet with just the power cord hooked up to it..shut down 3 times in 15 minutes...anthem wants it back..said they have to replace the power supply..I am only using it as a preamp...using parasound halo amps...ahhh I'm gonna miss it!.. 4 weeks minimum to get it back here to Florida..my dealer has none in stock..he said he has 4 on backorder..I had no ..absolutely no problems as others have had here with there Mrx's...until this....hurry back I will miss you!
post #14894 of 16451
Legairre Yes my mic was facing ceiling as per the instructions, also i placed the mic to the exact listening position where my ear/head should be normally (though i did tried to place mic at different positions during few others ARC runs) result is always the same. I can place the speakers to their actual position but to me this should not effect cuz if CA Azur 551r can play vocals right with speakers at the same position then why not MRX 300. But i will give it a try again.
post #14895 of 16451
Quote:
Originally Posted by dean-l View Post

The Anthem MRX's have an unclear center channel because they leak too much info into the right and left channels.

All the ARC running/settings in the world will not change this. It is inherent to the MRX design. I owned three 700's over 14 months. They all had blurry center channels. (actually ALL channels leak into other channels, it is most easily noticed with the center channel )

I've discussed this extensively in the CA 651r/751r thread. (551r is a different design)

With Anthem, voices come from "around" the center channel, with CA (and Arcam too) the voices come FROM the center channel. HUGE difference.

It's also why 2 channel music has little soundstage or depth.

Just pray you don't get the static RF-like noise.

I also completely disagree with this statement. I am actually using an
Undersized center channel (compared to my mains) and have no issues
With a "blurry" center channel.

I am also curious as to why you are the only one on this thread to
Report this problem. Didn't see it mentioned on any professional
Reviews done on the MRX series. Certainly such a glaring problem
Would have been reported. rolleyes.gif
post #14896 of 16451
to Legairre & Dean-I frankly i'm not a big fan of this problem debate coz honestly i think all these electronic gadgets can have any issue anytime. in my own example
I bought following and had problem within a week:
Denon was doing firmware upgrade got issue (only 2nd day)
Marantz: Died for no reason even my deal couldn't bring it up
Marantz: Another had problem with display after few months
CA Azur 551r: Right after the first power up had problem with display & Menu... dealer took 3 weeks to replace
MRX 300: while firmware upgrade on 2nd day of purchase shutdown and never powerup again.. even dealer couldn't power up had to contact Anthem took 2 weeks to get it fixed.

Despite all these bad experiences i don't blame product/dealer/company... these things do happen despite whatever the QA... I know Dean-I you had several issues with your Anthem but same is the case with me what would you say if you power on your CA Azur the very first time and had a problem... they are all the same...

What i always go after is the SQ... I must say CA Azur AVRs are really great for their SQ i can say after using both and many others... there's no match of CA for sound clarity but at the same time i'm really amazed by the surround and bass of Anthem and despite my settings are not perfect when i played the same movies/tracks on MRX i was surprise by the surrounds & bass management of Anthem compare to CA. However Anthem has yet to produce overall sound clarity which i got with CA especially vocals are really great.
I would love to fix the Anthem for vocals cuz then i know Anthem can be a much better overall deal compare to Azur, will give a try for another week otherwise Azur 651r is the way to go.
post #14897 of 16451
Yes Dean you did say you explained the chips as being a poor implementation. But just like your claim of channel leaking you haven't provided any proof of either except your own word. There's plenty of reviews that in the pros/cons section would have listed the video chip "implementation" and audio leaking you say exist. As for the units I've owned they are all in the $1000 - $2000 range and very good units. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the MRX is perfect. Mine had to go out for a repair and came back like new again and Anthem support was great though they are up in Canada and shipping back and for is a pain in the rear. Sound wise my MRX has been a great unit. Sorry you are so unhappy, but not every one feels the way you do.
Edited by Legairre - 7/14/13 at 3:19pm
post #14898 of 16451
^^^^ Mount/place your speakers in their permanent positions
And give the MRX another shot.

While I understand your logic on speaker placement I do
Not understand how/why you would evaluate the sound
Of the system and performance of an AVR based on this
Temporary placement.

But, that is just me ...
post #14899 of 16451
rmunawar9, it sounds like you've tried really hard to get things right but no luck I've never read or had any the center channel problems you're having. Honestly you've done more than is needed to get great sound out of the MRX. For most of us we just run ARC, and end up moving the sub a bit get it to 120Hz and ARC sounds fantastic. I do agree with grasshopper that you should put you speakers in the proper locations and try again.
post #14900 of 16451
When I first got the Anthem I just thought it was me getting old. And depending what AVR's you've had in the past, you may not notice it either.

I realized WHAT was actually happening when I first hooked up an Arcam AVR400 (after having an Anthem MRX700 for a number of months). And suddenly the center channel cleared up and the sound seemed to come FROM the center channel not from AROUND the center channel, which I realized when I hooked up the Anthem again.

Also a number of months ago there was a small period of time when discussion was about clarity of the center channel. And for a small number of us, we realized that bumping up center an extra 2db (beyond ARC measurements) made a significant difference.

rmunawar9 is in a similar boat I was, but opposite. He HAD an AVR that had better center channel clarity and NOW has a MRX. Do you put up with the odd weaknesses and keep it? Or try to find something better overall, but loose a few things.
post #14901 of 16451
Yes my mrx has a very solid center channel with no leakage into the front l/r
It is on at all times for cable/bluray ..definitely the best avr I have owned
I have always used h/k avrs for over 20 yrs..the Mrx Is a big step up in sound,build,and of course ARC!... The sound quality is amazing.. I briefly used a marantz 1603 ,that had a little better seperation between the rears..but did not sound better than my Mrx and also had some HDMI issues..but the Mrx Is awesome
....even though I will not sleep until I get it back from anthem..i just ran my cable box to TV for now and letting my parasound Halo amps and oppo 103 and my cam.audio CD/DAC sit idle until I get my Mrx Back...so sad to see all my gear sit idle like this! A/V is my life!.. Thank god for zanex!
post #14902 of 16451
I have been playing with graphs and settings for last few hours and have tried every combination seems like i must set all channels to 150 and sub to 120 to get to the closer to target but center seems a bit off... anyways i will run ARC again tomorrow after changing speakers and sub position.
Few questions
What are the following and changing their value will impact in SQ especially vocals?
Room Gain: 0.0000 (current setting)
Reference level offset (all channels): -1 current setting
Sub High Pass order: Auto

Also i saw one setting in AVR "Height Gain" which right now set to Mid (High/Mid/Low) what is that?
post #14903 of 16451
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

Yes my mrx has a very solid center channel with no leakage into the front l/r
It is on at all times for cable/bluray ..definitely the best avr I have owned
I have always used h/k avrs for over 20 yrs..the Mrx Is a big step up in sound,build,and of course ARC!... The sound quality is amazing.. I briefly used a marantz 1603 ,that had a little better seperation between the rears..but did not sound better than my Mrx and also had some HDMI issues..but the Mrx Is awesome
....even though I will not sleep until I get it back from anthem..i just ran my cable box to TV for now and letting my parasound Halo amps and oppo 103 and my cam.audio CD/DAC sit idle until I get my Mrx Back...so sad to see all my gear sit idle like this! A/V is my life!.. Thank god for zanex!

It is always good to have a back-up...I have an old HK sitting in a
closet as a spare in case my MRX or Marantz (bedroom) goes down.
post #14904 of 16451
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

I have been playing with graphs and settings for last few hours and have tried every combination seems like i must set all channels to 150 and sub to 120 to get to the closer to target but center seems a bit off... anyways i will run ARC again tomorrow after changing speakers and sub position.
Few questions
What are the following and changing their value will impact in SQ especially vocals?
Room Gain: 0.0000 (current setting)
Reference level offset (all channels): -1 current setting
Sub High Pass order: Auto

Also i saw one setting in AVR "Height Gain" which right now set to Mid (High/Mid/Low) what is that?

Room gain can have an effect of the bass in your room...i dont think i have ever seen one come out at
zero on this thread. I think it is because of you using small speakers. You can try to bump it up
but it would be a waste of time until you get your speakers mounted in their permanent spots.
post #14905 of 16451
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

It is always good to have a back-up...I have an old HK sitting in a
closet as a spare in case my MRX or Marantz (bedroom) goes down.
Well...my dealer did give me a marantz 5003 to use until Mrx Comes back..but it is a used open box with no remote..power cord or manual!... I don't want to reconfigure my harmony one remote for this..my wife just got used to it set up for the anthem!... Might hook it up just for CD playback..but this marantz is very very cumbersome..especially without the remote and manual..I will just pray for a quick turnaround on my mrx!
post #14906 of 16451
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

Well...my dealer did give me a marantz 5003 to use until Mrx Comes back..but it is a used open box with no remote..power cord or manual!... I don't want to reconfigure my harmony one remote for this..my wife just got used to it set up for the anthem!... Might hook it up just for CD playback..but this marantz is very very cumbersome..especially without the remote and manual..I will just pray for a quick turnaround on my mrx!

Ha that is the same unit in my bedroom..which was replaced by the MRX!!

I would get it hooked up,get a power cord,download the manual,and redo your harmony.
Pretty solid unit. Couldnt imagine not listening to your new Studio 100's while
your MRX is repaired. If you do make sure you do a reset to clear the old settings.
post #14907 of 16451
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

Ha that is the same unit in my bedroom..which was replaced by the MRX!!

I would get it hooked up,get a power cord,download the manual,and redo your harmony.
Pretty solid unit. Couldnt imagine not listening to your new Studio 100's while
your MRX is repaired. If you do make sure you do a reset to clear the old settings.
Grasshopper...do you still own the mrx? Or did you replace it with the 5003?... I might just do as you suggested.. Do not know how long I will be without the mrx..it does look like a solid unit
And would just be using it as a preamp...marantz is the only brand I would ever use besides anthem
Or possibly Cambridge audio...I don't know..
Anyone else out there have there power protection mode shut down there mrx? And if so..when you got it back was all OK???.. Thanks for responding!
post #14908 of 16451
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

Grasshopper...do you still own the mrx? Or did you replace it with the 5003?... I might just do as you suggested.. Do not know how long I will be without the mrx..it does look like a solid unit
And would just be using it as a preamp...marantz is the only brand I would ever use besides anthem
Or possibly Cambridge audio...I don't know..
Anyone else out there have there power protection mode shut down there mrx? And if so..when you got it back was all OK???.. Thanks for responding!

Sorry for the confusion..I had steaks on the grill and was rushing my post!

I replaced the Marantz with the MRX. I then moved the Marantz into my bedroom.
Both units are still kicking butt.

Like I said earlier...hook that Marantz up. I know you have no Audyssey mic,but
like I said do a full re-set on the front panel-(surround mode + clear +exit) when the unit is
powered on for 3 seconds or so.

You can download the owners manual from Marantz. Reprogramming your Harmony...5 or 10 minutes??
post #14909 of 16451
esh516, you do know that the Oppo 103 can act as preamp for you right? At least that would get you bluray/CD playback.
post #14910 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Yes Dean you did say you explained the chips as being a poor implementation. But just like your claim of channel leaking you haven't provided any proof of either except your own word. There's plenty of reviews that in the pros/cons section would have listed the video chip "implementation" and audio leaking you say exist. As for the units I've owned they are all in the $1000 - $2000 range and very good units. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the MRX is perfect. Mine had to go out for a repair and came back like new again and Anthem support was great though they are up in Canada and shipping back and for is a pain in the rear. Sound wise my MRX has been a great unit. Sorry you are so unhappy, but not every one feels the way you do.

You mention your list is all $1000 - $2000

My list would be $2000 - $3000.

Maybe things are more relative to price than some people think. (especially here at AVS - the "everything is the same" crowd.)

There is no question, the MRX300 is a HUGE bargain at $1k (MSRP), but when I compare the MRX700 at $2k, things are not so rosy. The units I like better really start at $1800 up to $3000 MSRP. And considering the 700 is nearly completely based on a unit half the price -- it's something to think about.

Lagairre, could we BOTH be right?
Edited by dean-l - 7/14/13 at 11:42pm
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