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post #14941 of 16452
Hi guys

maybe some of you can help me understand home theater better smile.gif I must first say i have little knowledge in HT but i love it, i am trying to learn as i go and hopefully make good choices and learn to calibrate these things myself.

I currently have the following setup:

- Samsung E8000 64" 3D Plasma TV
- Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray Player
- Anthem MRX-500 A/V Receiver
- Paradigm Reference SA-35 v.3 (In Wall Front L/R)
- Paradigm Reference SA-15R-SM v.3 (In Ceiling Rear L/R)
- Paradigm Reference Studio CC-590 (Bookshelf - Centre)
- Paradigm Reference Seismic 110 (Subwoofer)

Now the setup and the room i have had to compromise with the spouse, as i am not allowed to go and paint the room black etc. but i might be able to get away in the future with some nice acoustic paneling if it comes in some sort of nice design or 3d like wall art design. I have attached a photo of room layout and also a picture of the room. It does well for a room we use every day from watching TV to watching movies at night.

When i first set up the room and ran ARC there was no furniture. So recently, after getting some furniture in the room (couch, window coverings, ottoman, entertainment unit) i noticed the sound was not as good. The Subwoofer had also started to make a rattling noise so i had to turn the gain down.

Finally got around to running ARC again last night, and i want to share with you my results. I have no idea what these charts mean, and how i can improve on the setup, so i have included as much information as i can. I can tell that the sound is alot better again, however i had to turn the gain on the sub right down (25%) i tested with A Good Day to Die Hard and in some scenes with booming bass i still get slight rattle from the subwoofer. To be honest i would like more bass in this room still as i feel it is lacking a bit, and with this sub i should be expecting more so i dont know where i am going wrong.

Also one last note, whenever i play music the bass is very distorted and i have to go into Audio Mode and turn the bass down to around -6dB to be able to have clear sound. What can i do to fix this?

Here are the results of the ARC Calibration:



Anthem Level Calibration Settings:

Dolby Volume Calibration Offset = 0dB
Noise Sequence = OFF
Front Left = -2dB
Center = 0dB
Front Right = -3dB
Surround Right = +3dB
Surround Left = +3dB
Movie Subwoofer = +3dB

Subwoofer Dial Settings:

Subwoofer Level = approx 25%
Subwoofer Cut Off Frequency = MAX
Sub/Sat Phase Alignment = 0%

Room Setup Diagram



Photo of the Equipment



Any insight, or help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.
post #14942 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

Hi guys

maybe some of you can help me understand home theater better smile.gif I must first say i have little knowledge in HT but i love it, i am trying to learn as i go and hopefully make good choices and learn to calibrate these things myself.

I currently have the following setup:

- Samsung E8000 64" 3D Plasma TV
- Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray Player
- Anthem MRX-500 A/V Receiver
- Paradigm Reference SA-35 v.3 (In Wall Front L/R)
- Paradigm Reference SA-15R-SM v.3 (In Ceiling Rear L/R)
- Paradigm Reference Studio CC-590 (Bookshelf - Centre)
- Paradigm Reference Seismic 110 (Subwoofer)

Now the setup and the room i have had to compromise with the spouse, as i am not allowed to go and paint the room black etc. but i might be able to get away in the future with some nice acoustic paneling if it comes in some sort of nice design or 3d like wall art design. I have attached a photo of room layout and also a picture of the room. It does well for a room we use every day from watching TV to watching movies at night.

When i first set up the room and ran ARC there was no furniture. So recently, after getting some furniture in the room (couch, window coverings, ottoman, entertainment unit) i noticed the sound was not as good. The Subwoofer had also started to make a rattling noise so i had to turn the gain down.

Finally got around to running ARC again last night, and i want to share with you my results. I have no idea what these charts mean, and how i can improve on the setup, so i have included as much information as i can. I can tell that the sound is alot better again, however i had to turn the gain on the sub right down (25%) i tested with A Good Day to Die Hard and in some scenes with booming bass i still get slight rattle from the subwoofer. To be honest i would like more bass in this room still as i feel it is lacking a bit, and with this sub i should be expecting more so i dont know where i am going wrong.

Also one last note, whenever i play music the bass is very distorted and i have to go into Audio Mode and turn the bass down to around -6dB to be able to have clear sound. What can i do to fix this?

Here are the results of the ARC Calibration:



Anthem Level Calibration Settings:

Dolby Volume Calibration Offset = 0dB
Noise Sequence = OFF
Front Left = -2dB
Center = 0dB
Front Right = -3dB
Surround Right = +3dB
Surround Left = +3dB
Movie Subwoofer = +3dB

Subwoofer Dial Settings:

Subwoofer Level = approx 25%
Subwoofer Cut Off Frequency = MAX
Sub/Sat Phase Alignment = 0%

Room Setup Diagram



Photo of the Equipment



Any insight, or help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Hello can you please post your target screen?
post #14943 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

Hi guy

Now the setup and the room i have had to compromise with the spouse, as i am not allowed to go and paint the room black etc. but i might be able to get away in the future with some nice acoustic paneling if it comes in some sort of nice design or 3d like wall art design.

Here is my SMALL Piece of HELP.

I used Purple wallpaper which absorbs the BLUE screen bounce and is
the worse color that needs to be Absorbed.

That got us started and then three years later she agreed to PAINT the
Ceiling BLACK. That made the BIGGEST IMPROVEMENT of all.

Picture shown below.

post #14944 of 16452
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

Hi guys

maybe some of you can help me understand home theater better smile.gif I must first say i have little knowledge in HT but i love it, i am trying to learn as i go and hopefully make good choices and learn to calibrate these things myself.

I currently have the following setup:

- Samsung E8000 64" 3D Plasma TV
- Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray Player
- Anthem MRX-500 A/V Receiver
- Paradigm Reference SA-35 v.3 (In Wall Front L/R)
- Paradigm Reference SA-15R-SM v.3 (In Ceiling Rear L/R)
- Paradigm Reference Studio CC-590 (Bookshelf - Centre)
- Paradigm Reference Seismic 110 (Subwoofer)

Now the setup and the room i have had to compromise with the spouse, as i am not allowed to go and paint the room black etc. but i might be able to get away in the future with some nice acoustic paneling if it comes in some sort of nice design or 3d like wall art design. I have attached a photo of room layout and also a picture of the room. It does well for a room we use every day from watching TV to watching movies at night.

When i first set up the room and ran ARC there was no furniture. So recently, after getting some furniture in the room (couch, window coverings, ottoman, entertainment unit) i noticed the sound was not as good. The Subwoofer had also started to make a rattling noise so i had to turn the gain down.

Finally got around to running ARC again last night, and i want to share with you my results. I have no idea what these charts mean, and how i can improve on the setup, so i have included as much information as i can. I can tell that the sound is alot better again, however i had to turn the gain on the sub right down (25%) i tested with A Good Day to Die Hard and in some scenes with booming bass i still get slight rattle from the subwoofer. To be honest i would like more bass in this room still as i feel it is lacking a bit, and with this sub i should be expecting more so i dont know where i am going wrong.

Also one last note, whenever i play music the bass is very distorted and i have to go into Audio Mode and turn the bass down to around -6dB to be able to have clear sound. What can i do to fix this?

Here are the results of the ARC Calibration:



Anthem Level Calibration Settings:

Dolby Volume Calibration Offset = 0dB
Noise Sequence = OFF
Front Left = -2dB
Center = 0dB
Front Right = -3dB
Surround Right = +3dB
Surround Left = +3dB
Movie Subwoofer = +3dB

Subwoofer Dial Settings:

Subwoofer Level = approx 25%
Subwoofer Cut Off Frequency = MAX
Sub/Sat Phase Alignment = 0%


Any insight, or help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.
Could you post your target window settings as well? We'll need those to help you out.
post #14945 of 16452
Hi everyone

i re-ran ARC correction today as i changed the facing position of the sub away from the wall a bit, and i brang the centre speaker more forward to the edge of the entertainment unit. I ran 10 positions today instead of the 7 i had ran in the previous post to try get a more accurate reading. Also after reading some previous posts, i noticed that i had dolby sound turned on, and i turned it off. My centre speaker sounds alot more clearer after turning it off, however i lost a bit of bass across the whole system.

In the previous post i made, i had mentioned the sub crossover setting is MAX - MAX actually is "BYPASS" on this subwoofer.

I suspect that the targets set by default in the ARC are too low for my speakers. Can anyone confirm this?

Please see new charts and targets below:

Level Calibration:

Front Left = -1dB
Center = +1dB
Front Right = -2dB
Surround right = +3dB
Surround Left = +3dB
Movie / Music Subwoofer = +6dB







thank you!
Edited by Arkmae - 7/20/13 at 9:03am
post #14946 of 16452
Your graphs look good. Two things you need to do are increase the volume/gain on the subwoofer. ARC set your sub to +6 because the subwoofer's volume/gain is to low. Remember the volume/gain knob on the sub isn't really a volume it's a gain and you need a strong enough signal from the sub. Try to increase it until ARC sets you sub to as close as possible to 0. If you get ARC to set the sub to within +3 or -3 you're OK. The closer to 0 the better.

The other thing you need to do is go into the targets window and click advanced. Change the "Subwoofer High Pass Order" to flat. Your sub plays nice and low so there's no need setting the filter to 20Hz.
Edited by Legairre - 7/20/13 at 6:06pm
post #14947 of 16452
The reason why I turned the gain down on the sub is because when I turn it higher than around 25% and I run arc I get a rattle sound because it looks like the sub is working too hard. Do I have a setting wrong or should I be calling the dealer for a repair / replacement as it is only 6 months old and this shouldn't be happening?
post #14948 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

The reason why I turned the gain down on the sub is because when I turn it higher than around 25% and I run arc I get a rattle sound because it looks like the sub is working too hard. Do I have a setting wrong or should I be calling the dealer for a repair / replacement as it is only 6 months old and this shouldn't be happening?

The rattle you're getting may not be your sub. I could be other things like glass, or dishes on shelves, cabinet doors, etc. I would run quick measure and try to isolate the rattle if you haven't already done it.
post #14949 of 16452
Sorry I should be more clearer, the rattle is not vibration or noise from any source. It is the sub. It's like distorted and sounds like it rattles. Instead of producing a nice bass note, when it makes the noise it distorts / rattles. I watched Snitch tonight and it was ok except in one scene where there is a truck engine noise the sub rattled trying to produce the bass. Sorry does that make sense?
post #14950 of 16452
The Seismic 110 is a sub that can play low and play loud at low frequencies. If you're getting noise from the sub with a proper ARC setup(which you have done) then there is something wrong with the sub. Can you return it to the dealer for an exchange?
Edited by Legairre - 7/21/13 at 8:24am
post #14951 of 16452
Also plz do make sure the dolby is off especially the dolby reference I had this issue cuz of dolby reference
post #14952 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

Sorry I should be more clearer, the rattle is not vibration or noise from any source. It is the sub. It's like distorted and sounds like it rattles. Instead of producing a nice bass note, when it makes the noise it distorts / rattles. I watched Snitch tonight and it was ok except in one scene where there is a truck engine noise the sub rattled trying to produce the bass. Sorry does that make sense?

From you pic it look like the sub is placed on a
Hard surface. I wonder if placing something
Under the sub would allow you to check if
The sub is rattling due to vibration from the floor??
post #14953 of 16452
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Originally Posted by rmunawar9 View Post

Also plz do make sure the dolby is off especially the dolby reference I had this issue cuz of dolby reference

I did discover this after a ran my first tests and so i turned it off and adjusted my speakers and ran the ARC again. The difference is amazing, the dolby audio does really make everything sound rubbish.

The Dolby Reference / Dolby Audio is this the same thing? When i press Dolby Audio on the remote it says OFF, then i press it again it says NORMAL and then one more time will go back to the standard screen. I have done some quick research on the Dolby Reference Audio - my "volume" on the amp is around -35dB when i am watching movies. Should it be 0 ? is this an indication i have some setting wrong?

EDIT: After calling the dealer, they think it could be a loose dust cap or an issue with the sub itself. Will be taking in for assessment asap.
Edited by Arkmae - 7/21/13 at 5:59pm
post #14954 of 16452
To answer your question on the receiver's volume, "0" is the reference point. The volume indicators on receivers and pre/pros that show dB is basically showing you the level of attenuation, not the volume level. Receivers start at a negative number to show the attenuation and as you increase the master volume knob the attenuation gets closer to the 0 reference point. So you start at say -60 and have no volume, but the volume increases as to increase the attenuation towards 0. You've done a very good job on the calibration.
post #14955 of 16452
Thanks for all the help. Once i get the sub back from the dealer i will re run the calibration again and repost some results!

On another note, i tried to get the CEC working with my Samsung TV and the Anthem MRX-500. I dont know what i am doing wrong - the TV detects and picks up the receiver, however i cannot get any sound it still says "no signal" on the anthem.

I have enabled it on the menus of both devices. i have included a chart to show how my devices are connected right now. i have tried many combinations and made sure the settings were right in the menus also but never got the sound from my TV, outputting to the anthem.

post #14956 of 16452
Any one ever have these Junk Ass MRX700s quit having sound after you turn them off
post #14957 of 16452
Guys, recently my MRX has developed a slight hiss from the right speaker. I only notice it when there is no sound. I've determined that it is not the speaker or speaker wire, and the sound is present even if only the MRX is on. Also, volume does not increase or decrease the hiss. I know that for the first couple of months I've owned it, it was dead quiet. This hiss is something new. It only concerns me if it gets worse. the unit still sounds fantastic when I'm watch movies or playing games. Does anyone else have a hiss? Also, I've been entertaining the idea of buying an amp. Would it be possible if I did incorporate one into my system that this hiss would stop?
post #14958 of 16452
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Originally Posted by djarmy2004 View Post

Any one ever have these Junk Ass MRX700s quit having sound after you turn them off

Moderators??
post #14959 of 16452
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Moderators??
Im sorry you dont like my rant ill rephrase. Does anyone know why after getting a 3rd MRX700 i cannot turn it off and turn it on without it messing up. I have no ouput whats so ever. It clicks twice turns on just no sound
post #14960 of 16452
Quote:
Originally Posted by djarmy2004 View Post

Im sorry you dont like my rant ill rephrase. Does anyone know why after getting a 3rd MRX700 i cannot turn it off and turn it on without it messing up. I have no ouput whats so ever. It clicks twice turns on just no sound

Mine normally clicks like that if I plug in my headphones or unplug them. Think zone 2 makes a similar noise but when that happens I'm normally too busy chasing my daughter away from the amp to take much notice....
post #14961 of 16452
After removing a few small components from the area near my subwoofer I decided to re-run ARC. I'm liking my Sub chart:



Levels are within forum suggested guidelines:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Targets still look good as well:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
post #14962 of 16452
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post

Guys, recently my MRX has developed a slight hiss from the right speaker. I only notice it when there is no sound. I've determined that it is not the speaker or speaker wire, and the sound is present even if only the MRX is on. Also, volume does not increase or decrease the hiss. I know that for the first couple of months I've owned it, it was dead quiet. This hiss is something new. It only concerns me if it gets worse. the unit still sounds fantastic when I'm watch movies or playing games. Does anyone else have a hiss? Also, I've been entertaining the idea of buying an amp. Would it be possible if I did incorporate one into my system that this hiss would stop?

No, no one JUST me, I guess. rolleyes.gif If you go back in the thread you'll find me and an occasional person mentioning noise in channels. Some got it in the center channel. One guy went through five units. I gave up after three. The 700 seems more susceptible to this issue.

I wish I would've tried an outside amp, give it a shot. I had the hiss in the right front on my last TWO 700's. I also had the same (right side) noise when I plugged in my headphones. Even with sound, I would hear the hiss ALL THE TIME with headphones. Because the hiss went through the headphones I kinda assumed it was in the Pre-amp area. But I'd be REAL interested in hearing what happens.

The second unit got the hiss in a week. The third unit got the hiss in about TWO weeks. BOTH units eventually would act up and send that hiss to ALL channels. When the unit would act up, it would also start having regular CODEC Pops. So it "can" get worse.

My third unit I had to wait 3 months because of stock issues and then they wanted to run it at Corp. for a couple weeks to make sure it didn't start hissing. Or as I called it a RF type noise. (You'll hear it better in the headphones, maybe). So I got the third 700 and it was dead silent and then after two weeks it started making noise in the right front channel, eventually getting as loud as the second 700. Later, during the "acting up" stage both units got so unstable I eventually unhooked them and put in my old AVR, because I was worried about possible damage to my speakers.

Your experience will hopefully be different. But I question, if you should have to buy an amp to avoid noise that should not be there to begin with. There are a LOT of choices out there. I was given the impression from my dealer, that Anthem is well aware of the issue and didn't think they could solve it for me.

I would at least ask for a new unit, before investing your own money.
Edited by dean-l - 7/22/13 at 7:24pm
post #14963 of 16452
Glad I found this thread
Replaced a defunct Rotel with the MRX 700 this past weekend
Lots of reading to do (hope the search feature works well) before I start quizzin' to tweak it just the right amount
Running Paradigm Monitor 11 v.3 as the mains in a 5.1 configuration, my sub's never sounded so good
I look forward to running ARC when time permits
So far .. first impressions .. it's everything I expected, I look forward to finding the system's sweetest spot in this room

Looking forward to capitalizing on y'alls experience
post #14964 of 16452
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Originally Posted by EZnTN View Post

Glad I found this thread
Replaced a defunct Rotel with the MRX 700 this past weekend
Lots of reading to do (hope the search feature works well) before I start quizzin' to tweak it just the right amount
Running Paradigm Monitor 11 v.3 as the mains in a 5.1 configuration, my sub's never sounded so good
I look forward to running ARC when time permits
So far .. first impressions .. it's everything I expected, I look forward to finding the system's sweetest spot in this room

Looking forward to capitalizing on y'alls experience

Once you start running ARC the fun will really begin...................post some captures of the ARC graphs and the local gurus can start offering advice on getting the most from your system. Don't listen too much to the uncorrected system, unless you know that your speaker responses are already pretty flat and controlled, otherwise you may immediately come back asking "where did all my bass go".
Regards, Mike.
post #14965 of 16452
Can anybody help me with my previous post regarding CEC???
post #14966 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

Can anybody help me with my previous post regarding CEC???
I'm not ignoring you I just have no valuable info. I don't use CEC since I never use my system by itself. It is always TV, MRX and BD. I have no cable TV down in that room. Or I would use cd player and MRX.
post #14967 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

Can anybody help me with my previous post regarding CEC???

I briefly tried the CEC, didn't like how warm it made my
MRX seem to the touch. Turned it off after 1 day.
post #14968 of 16452
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

I briefly tried the CEC, didn't like how warm it made my
MRX seem to the touch. Turned it off after 1 day.

That was my issue as well. Too much current constantly running. Having said that, it did work fine between my Panasonic VT50 and my Anthem. Just turned on CEC on both and they behaved as expected. However, using a programmable remote with macros is preferable for me.
post #14969 of 16452
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

After removing a few small components from the area near my subwoofer I decided to re-run ARC. I'm liking my Sub chart:



Levels are within forum suggested guidelines:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Targets still look good as well:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
Wow now that's one serious sub chart. What did you move to get it so smooth?
post #14970 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Wow now that's one serious sub chart. What did you move to get it so smooth?

It was pretty good before, but thanks! I had some power conditioners (PS Audio 300's) between the sub and the corner. With those removed there is a bit more free space around the sub, which was not moved. I'm very happy with the results (and the good-looking graph)!
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