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post #15331 of 16451
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Originally Posted by emidalla View Post

Well, what can I say? I am a (happy) MRX500 owner and I expected more from the specs of these receivers... Sound, in the end, is all that matters, but I would have expected Anthem to make me want to update my gear. Up to now, I am more than happy to have an "old" MRX model
Ah OK I understand you expected more from the 2nd gen MRX. I expected more too. The only thing that would make me upgrade is the new ARC1M. Features wise I'm not impressed with the new MRX. I do like the new look though.
post #15332 of 16451
I was planning on purchasing the 510. I was chatting on here a few weeks ago and everyone had high expectations and had me sold on Anthem. Now this makes me wonder seeing everyone is disappointed. Is the 510 still worth purchasing?

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post #15333 of 16451
Just sat through a demo with the 710 running a set of Paradigm Monitor Series 7 speakers. Sounded really good though a bit bright if I'm honest when playing a clip from Into Darkness. Trade show conditions are tough though.

Anyway, looks like the MRX 710 and 510 are on the water and expected to ship to dealers in November. No Mac support for ARC software. They are claiming an improved preamp and amp section, whatever that means.
post #15334 of 16451
Can anyone confirm an analogue direct mode? its listed under the preamplifier specs on the pdf from the anthem website. although it is identical spec-wise to the normal mode.

thanks
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^ Yes, in the new models. Settable separately for each Input you define to use Analog audio.
--Bob
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Hmmm...pity. I was hoping the MRX 310 would be a little more fully-featured for the asking price, at least having 2nd zone support. I was anxious to try out ARC but for me it's too hefty a premium to pay for an otherwise basic 5.1 receiver. I can't really justify getting one over an equivalently priced Denon X-4000.

Crisp'n'Clean frown.gif
post #15337 of 16451
With these new models coming out, you should be able to buy a used one for a good price. smile.gif
post #15338 of 16451
Yeah Anthem's strategy was to limit the 310 to being a very basic 5.1 receiver that can't even decode DTS-HD MA and they thought people would buy the 510 instead. From what I'm reading here and on the UK sites it sounds like sounds a good deal of people who own a 300 are staying with their 300 while new customers are looking t other brands instead of spending $1200 on the 310

I'm on the fence. I own a 300 and sound quality is what matters most to me. I have a 7.1 setup so I need a 7.1 receiver and I use my PS3 slim in our theater as our BD player. When level matched the bass with the PS3 doing the decoding is noticeable weaker than through the receiver(yes I've level matched with an SPL meter) so I also need a receiver than can decode DTS-HD MA. If ARC1M is a noticeable improvement I'd sell my 300 and get a 510, but is it's not then I'm just staying with my 300.
post #15339 of 16451
Yeah, it's too bad they went with this strategy. I don't want to buy one of the previous generation models as I need more than 4 HDMI inputs and also requiring a PC to be directly connected for ARC (as opposed to just having a PC on the network) would be a huge pain for me.

If the price was a few hundred lower I might have bit the bullet and picked up a stereo amp/airport express pair to deal with the lack of zone 2. As it is, I'm really leaning towards the Denon AVR-X4000 instead with Audyssey XT32 and excellent multi-zone support.

I don't quite get the lack of DTS HD MA on the 310, hopefully that's just a spec. mistake. It would be sad if they are using a less capable DSP on the 310 that doesn't have the horsepower for DTS HD MA...I think they've already 'slimmed' it down enough from the 510. I know I've come across some BD players that won't natively decode DTS HD MA, presumably to reduce the processor requirements.

Crips'N'Clean
post #15340 of 16451
No indication which transformer is used in which model. Is the 710 the only one with a toroidal transformer? Power specs look the same.

Now I wonder when they will update their separates line. A5 is nearly 10 yrs old, though it costs nearly 2x what it did in 2004. Almost as many HDMI ports, and Arc 1M must make the AVM50v / D2V a tougher sell.
post #15341 of 16451
Page 4 of the Datasheet gives the impression that all three models use toroidal transformer. If only 710 has it, then it's disingenuous to put that picture on the Technical Specs page covering all three models.
post #15342 of 16451
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Originally Posted by sdv5 View Post

Page 4 of the Datasheet gives the impression that all three models use toroidal transformer. If only 710 has it, then it's disingenuous to put that picture on the Technical Specs page covering all three models.

That picture is what started me thinking about it. I'm guessing that the picture would be of the 710. The 700 of the last series was the only model to feature it.
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So just out of curiosity why can't ARC calibrate dual subs like Audyssey MultEQ XT32 can? I was really hoping a little more from the newest MRX510, I think I'll have to consider getting a Denon AVR-X4000 now instead of the new MRX line.
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I'm not surprised by the 310. The current model is an extreme over achiever. They needed to force more up selling.

I doubt the 3/5's have a toroidal transformer. I doubt ADDING costs like that is much benefit, or a direction the industry OR Anthem is headed these days. But who knows?

The REAL key is did they get around the quality control problems, especially with the 700. THAT was my three unit issue.

And a little better channel separation would be nice, especially for the center channel clarity. But you would loose some of that "full" sound many like. OTOH, 2 channel stereo would be MUCH better. Pretty messy 2 ch now compared to others, I've tried.

Getting ARC on ethernet and off serial is a nice deal.

SO far I haven't been terribly impressed by the "general" direction of Arcam OR Anthem. But I haven't heard any of the new units, either. Although, they probably sound about the same. There's some definite slimming going on.

It's interesting to see that most of these guys are obviously planning an a pretty bad couple years coming; and rightly so, it's going to be VERY bad. MUCH worse than now.
Edited by dean-l - 9/27/13 at 12:21am
post #15345 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Yes, in the new models. Settable separately for each Input you define to use Analog audio.
--Bob
But still no analogue bypass as I assume all inputs are digitized.

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Originally Posted by putz2k1 View Post

Can anyone confirm an analogue direct mode? its listed under the preamplifier specs on the pdf from the anthem website. although it is identical spec-wise to the normal mode.
thanks
did you mean analogue bypass when you referred to analogue direct?
post #15346 of 16451
Is there any place to pre-order??

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post #15347 of 16451
^ I would think that any authorized Anthem dealer would be happy to take pre-order
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

But still no analogue bypass as I assume all inputs are digitized.
did you mean analogue bypass when you referred to analogue direct?

Analog direct aka analog passthrough can be set per-input. Of course, analog passthrough means no ARC.
post #15349 of 16451
Only ones I could find said no mail orders..

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post #15350 of 16451
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

Is the 710 the only one with a toroidal transformer?

Yes
post #15351 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bigjoexxl View Post

Only ones I could find said no mail orders.

Mail orders are not allowed anywhere. Your best bet is sending a message to tech@anthemav.com stating your location. They'll pass the message to the nearest distributor or area rep.
post #15352 of 16451
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Originally Posted by CrispAndClean View Post

I don't quite get the lack of DTS HD MA on the 310, hopefully that's just a spec. mistake.

Cannot use Master Audio logo unless model has 7.1 channels. MRX 310 still plays DTS-MA 5.1 sources using core+extension info. The display says Master Audio in this case.
post #15353 of 16451
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Originally Posted by dean-l View Post

They needed to force more up selling.

If that theory was true then the 310 would not exist.
post #15354 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bkeeler10 View Post

Trade show conditions are tough though.

Indeed, and an understatement. In previous years at Cedia and Taves I have stayed until 1:30am, when all the forklifts etc are gone, just to experiment with ARC, toe-in, etc.
post #15355 of 16451
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Originally Posted by AV_mike View Post

That rear panel shot has got me worried, it appears that support for either Heights/Wides has been dropped. The speaker terminals only have labelling for Rears, Bi-Amps, and Zone2. My fronts heights would become redundant???
Also, I thought the early release info mentioned support for two subwoofers???
Have to wait til the full info is released.
Regards, Mike.

Sorry about the heights being dropped but that's how the 80:20 rule works. ("Survey said...")

None of our info ever mentioned 2 subs. Sounds like a forum rumour.
post #15356 of 16451
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Originally Posted by grymok View Post

Do it comes with HDMI 2.0

No - you might want to read this article especially the "When?" section near the end.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57603018-221/hdmi-2.0-what-you-need-to-know/
post #15357 of 16451
Nice to see Nick again. Yeah it's very difficult to get a decent calibration on a trade show floor. Always very noisy. To the comment about center channel clarity, I thought it was excellent in the demo.

Nick, I got the impression from the presentation before the demo that the amp and preamp sections had been changed (enough to make it worth a mention). Can you elaborate on what those changes are and how it might affect the sound of the unit?
post #15358 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bkeeler10 View Post

On a side note, Martin Logan has a sound room nearby too, and I see some of their subs are able to be calibrated using PBK (ARC for the low end). They actually appear to be selling PBK kits under that name. I did not know that Anthem was licensing that technology for other companies. Interesting.

Paradigm and Martin-Logan have the same owner for some years now. The manufacturing for the non-China models was moved to Canada some time ago. M-L engineers are the same as before but there is collaboration with Paradigm engineers.
post #15359 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bkeeler10 View Post

Nice to see Nick again. Yeah it's very difficult to get a decent calibration on a trade show floor. Always very noisy. To the comment about center channel clarity, I thought it was excellent in the demo.

Nick, I got the impression from the presentation before the demo that the amp and preamp sections had been changed (enough to make it worth a mention). Can you elaborate on what those changes are and how it might affect the sound of the unit?

I would be very interested in knowing this as well ;-) things like the DACs and the volume control information would be most appreciated.

Cheers.

Tony
post #15360 of 16451
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Originally Posted by bkeeler10 View Post

Nice to see Nick again. Yeah it's very difficult to get a decent calibration on a trade show floor. Always very noisy. To the comment about center channel clarity, I thought it was excellent in the demo.

Nick, I got the impression from the presentation before the demo that the amp and preamp sections had been changed (enough to make it worth a mention). Can you elaborate on what those changes are and how it might affect the sound of the unit?

And the sound booth acoustics aren't the greatest either even when there's no noise. Channel separation is a funny topic because both speakers make sound go all over the room and both ears pick it up. Take what's often said about vinyl soundtsage and imaging, then look at the channel separation spec of any cartridge. That should make it clear that there's no issue with channel separation in any typical amp or preamp.

Preamp and amp hardware changed in small ways that I doubt make an audible difference, for example the amp protection circuit has been tweaked and the preamp uses lower noise transistors among other component changes all around, but then no one said gen1 had a high noise floor. The big hardware differences are HDMI and DSP. The latter is 3-core allowing more ARC filtering without giving up Dolby Volume, and HDMI is a lot more energy efficient in its passthrough mode, where you use cable box and TV without turning on AVR. It used to mean 60W in standby, now it's 5.6 (when passthrough is enabled, and when it isn't, standby consumes 0.3W).

UI is so different that 90% of the manual had to be rewritten. Example: Instead of multiple input buttons there's only one, which brings a pull-down showing only the active inputs (can also change inputs without menu using L/R buttons). In this product category WAF is just as important as, if not more important than, enthusiast acceptance factor. For enthusiasts the ARC UI now shows individual position curves and channel eq curves among other things.

IP control and control system partnerships for driver development are an even bigger deal to CIs. Voice Of Customer has many facets!
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