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Originally Posted by kelseyhorne View Post

I doubt given the spec that airplay is included! frown.gif

Media player has been removed. This is one of those things where "do you want media player inside" survey said vote is split, which made the which half to accommodate decision easy.

There are so many HDMI-out media players on the market, plus whatever extra capabilities the Blu-ray player or TV have, and there are so many people using AppleTV that I never thought it made sense to build more of the same into an AVR. Pick the outboard box that you like at the price, of which the range is from tens to thousands, that meets *your* need and plug it in. Chances are it's more capable and more likely to have updates. A built-in one at our volumes would have cost more, added development time, and would have dated the MRX more quickly. Instead, we added HDMI inputs and optical/coax-in (2ch pcm) to Zone 2-out.
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

Media player has been removed. This is one of those things where "do you want media player inside" survey said vote is split, which made the which half to accommodate decision easy.

There are so many HDMI-out media players on the market, plus whatever extra capabilities the Blu-ray player or TV have, and there are so many people using AppleTV that I never thought it made sense to build more of the same into an AVR. Pick the outboard box that you like at the price, of which the range is from tens to thousands, that meets *your* need and plug it in. Chances are it's more capable and more likely to have updates. A built-in one at our volumes would have cost more, added development time, and would have dated the MRX more quickly. Instead, we added HDMI inputs and optical/coax-in (2ch pcm) to Zone 2-out.

Totally agree with this decision. There is a ton of redundancy in TVs, disc players and AVRs. You could make the same argument for video upconversion in an AVR.
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Hi Nick, thanks for the information. When will the x10 users guide be available on line?
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so it will play a dts-MA 5.1 track?
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This " survey said"?

No one asked the people with height channels then!! Or has redundant speakers installed ta
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

And the sound booth acoustics aren't the greatest either even when there's no noise. Channel separation is a funny topic because both speakers make sound go all over the room and both ears pick it up. Take what's often said about vinyl soundtsage and imaging, then look at the channel separation spec of any cartridge. That should make it clear that there's no issue with channel separation in any typical amp or preamp.

Preamp and amp hardware changed in small ways that I doubt make an audible difference, for example the amp protection circuit has been tweaked and the preamp uses lower noise transistors among other component changes all around, but then no one said gen1 had a high noise floor. The big hardware differences are HDMI and DSP. The latter is 3-core allowing more ARC filtering without giving up Dolby Volume, and HDMI is a lot more energy efficient in its passthrough mode, where you use cable box and TV without turning on AVR. It used to mean 60W in standby, now it's 5.6 (when passthrough is enabled, and when it isn't, standby consumes 0.3W).

UI is so different that 90% of the manual had to be rewritten. Example: Instead of multiple input buttons there's only one, which brings a pull-down showing only the active inputs (can also change inputs without menu using L/R buttons). In this product category WAF is just as important as, if not more important than, enthusiast acceptance factor. For enthusiasts the ARC UI now shows individual position curves and channel eq curves among other things.

IP control and control system partnerships for driver development are an even bigger deal to CIs. Voice Of Customer has many facets!

So there is no direct access to a specific input, like say changing from HDM1 to HDMI3, without bringing up a menu and scrolling over 2 spots/items in the menu? I like being able to directly select my Blu-Ray, or my TiVo, or whatever other device without having to scroll the list of active inputs.
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Agreed "Survey said"................................ mad.gif

Now where are those Onkyo & Denon manuals again - time to start choosing my next AVR....... rolleyes.gif

Bye, bye Nick.
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Originally Posted by Bob_Collins View Post

So there is no direct access to a specific input, like say changing from HDM1 to HDMI3, without bringing up a menu and scrolling over 2 spots/items in the menu? I like being able to directly select my Blu-Ray, or my TiVo, or whatever other device without having to scroll the list of active inputs.

Not on the included remote. The choices are to pull up the list (on screen or in front panel) and select, or cycle through them using the Arrow keys. However the only Inputs in the list are the ones you define, so there are no extras to get past. When using a programmable remote, serial port remote control, HDMI CEC remote control from another device, or the new Ethernet-based control (as from the iOS App) you can select an input directly. You can also control the order of the Inputs in the list.
--Bob
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How about that iPod dock? biggrin.gif

(Sorry, couldn't resist with all the disappointment around these new models)
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has the latest MRX line gone down the digital amp route ? just seemed odd that the unpacked weights in the datasheet seemed a lot lower than that for the previous models ?

MRX710 according to spec sheet is lighter than the MRX300 ?
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

Cannot use Master Audio logo unless model has 7.1 channels. MRX 310 still plays DTS-MA 5.1 sources using core+extension info. The display says Master Audio in this case.

Thanks for the clarification Nick. I'm still on the fence on whether ponying up $1200ish for a 5.1 Anthem receiver with ARC makes more sense than, for instance, the similarly priced Denon AVR-X4000 with Audyssey XT32 + a host of other features. The 510 is out of my budget range. Assuming I can live without the extra features, I guess it comes down to whether or not ARC is significantly better than Audyssey XT32...or is there anything else to the equation? They both have 3 year warranties and both seem to be reputable brands.

Crisp'n'Clean
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Originally Posted by CrispAndClean View Post

I guess it comes down to whether or not ARC is significantly better than Audyssey XT32...or is there anything else to the equation? They both have 3 year warranties and both seem to be reputable brands.

Crisp'n'Clean

This argument is as OLD as the Hills.

ARC WINS - PERIOD - you will be HAPPY with Anthem - IT IS WORTH EVERY PENNY

SAVE UP FOR IT.

A Former Denon Owner
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post


This argument is as OLD as the Hills.

ARC WINS - PERIOD - you will be HAPPY with Anthem - IT IS WORTH EVERY PENNY

SAVE UP FOR IT.

A Former Denon Owner
Old as the hills, huh? I didn't think it was around quite that long.

Oh well, serves me right I guess for asking in an Anthem thread. ;-)

Crisp'n'Clean
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Originally Posted by CrispAndClean View Post

Old as the hills, huh? I didn't think it was around quite that long.

Oh well, serves me right I guess for asking in an Anthem thread. ;-)

Crisp'n'Clean

There was a RECENT REVIEW in the last month VALIDATES my Opinion
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

There was a RECENT REVIEW in the last month VALIDATES my Opinion

HERS IS THE REVIEW
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Originally Posted by CrispAndClean View Post

Old as the hills, huh? I didn't think it was around quite that long.

Oh well, serves me right I guess for asking in an Anthem thread. ;-)

Crisp'n'Clean
No harm in asking Crisp. This may be an Anthem thread, but there are a lot of us here who have owned other brands with different room correction software. I owned a Marantz AV7005 pre/pro for about a week on loan from my dealer to try before trying the MRX 300. The Marantz had XT not XT32, but XT really wasn't anything to write home about compared to ARC. Not sure about ARC1M vs XT32 though.
Edited by Legairre - 9/27/13 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by CrispAndClean View Post

Oh well, serves me right I guess for asking in an Anthem thread. ;-)

Crisp'n'Clean

There's a reason why ARC users spend a lot of time hopping up and down in glee.

Seriously, if you've not had a chance to hear an ARC setup, you really should try to make that happen.

The nifty thing about the new units is that you get the processing power of the Anthem pre-pros at a fraction of the cost.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

Analog direct aka analog passthrough can be set per-input. Of course, analog passthrough means no ARC.
Thx nick! this works fine for my TT.smile.gif
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Thanks guys, there is a local dealer that sells both Anthem and Denon. I'll have to pay them a visit. Being Canadian I'm hoping there's a way Anthem wins this battle smile.gif

Say, just one other question, is there any advantage to using an MRX 510 for a 5.1 Main setup + Second zone (exclusively, no bi-amp or 7.1) instead of an MRX 310 + a separate stereo receiver in the second zone? My main source in the second zone would just be AirPlay sourced music on the patio...so I would just use an Apple TV or AirPort Express and control it via an iPhone. Just wondering if there's other advantages to the 510 above the 310 when used in a 5.1 setup besides the additional amplifier power.

Thanks,
Crisp'n'Clean
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

has the latest MRX line gone down the digital amp route ? just seemed odd that the unpacked weights in the datasheet seemed a lot lower than that for the previous models

No. Same transformers, same amp aside from previously mentioned tweaks which don't affect weight, same extruded heat tunnel, nearly same chassis aside from obviously less complicated front panel, and digital circuits are smaller due to everyday technological progress. Smaller/fewer circuit boards with fewer components means smaller/fewer supports and connectors.
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Originally Posted by Bob_Collins View Post

So there is no direct access to a specific input, like say changing from HDM1 to HDMI3, without bringing up a menu and scrolling over 2 spots/items in the menu? I like being able to directly select my Blu-Ray, or my TiVo, or whatever other device without having to scroll the list of active inputs.

What Bob said except that if you happen to be using three inputs, you can jump from input 1 to input 3 by pressing the left button once instead of the right button twice, and if you actually try it you might find it easier to let your thumb find the nav buttons without having to look vs looking at the remote just to figure out which of 20 input buttons to press.
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

No. Same transformers, same amp aside from previously mentioned tweaks which don't affect weight, same extruded heat tunnel, nearly same chassis aside from obviously less complicated front panel, and digital circuits are smaller due to everyday technological progress. Smaller/fewer circuit boards with fewer components means smaller/fewer supports and connectors.

thanks for the explanation smile.gif
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Originally Posted by AmGu View Post

so it will play a dts-MA 5.1 track?

yes and please keep in mind that the 310 is a work in progress for which development began 2 months after the other models and will be completed accordingly, though I do not expect anything major to change.
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In the real world..what will the new ARC bring to the party over the old ARC?
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Originally Posted by bkeeler10 View Post

Totally agree with this decision. There is a ton of redundancy in TVs, disc players and AVRs. You could make the same argument for video upconversion in an AVR.

Where menus and overlaid info are present there's bound to be video processing.
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Originally Posted by philb37 View Post

In the real world..what will the new ARC bring to the party over the old ARC?

Faster process, improved UI. (Amount of filtering is a function of the DSP hardware not the ARC program.)
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My dealer placed my order yesterday for the 510. He was stated it would (should) ship on October 15th. I'm looking forward to see how it compares to my 300.
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OK, some more questions and observations of changes (results of cost reduction?):

The new models (x10 series) have no analog video outputs! eek.gif
  • No composite video output
  • No component video output
  • Only 1 analog audio output (stereo pair) except for Zone 2

Can I record video/audio from a composite or component input and analog audio input, out one of the HDMI outputs to my DVD recorder? Will HDCP or anything else prevent me from recording an analog source (audio & video) which is being output on HDMI?

Do they still have internet tuner?

Aside from the power output and the toroidal transformer, are there any other differences between the 510 and the 710? Does the 710 still have HD tuner?

Have the issues with RCA caps pulling off the back been resolved/fixed?

Are software updates done via USB only?

The new ARC 1M is stated to be designed specifically for the MRX series, so what are the real differences between it and the FULL ARC on the pre/pros? How does the new ARC compare to the old ARC which I believe, was the same program on the MRX line and the pre/pro lines?
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Bob Collins, the changes were all a result of addressing needs of most potential users, and the number one piece of feedback by far, and this is not just for AVRs, was "make it easier to use". Analog video connections were never big cost adders to begin with, and all but two component and one composite inputs were removed because hardly anyone uses more than this (and almost everyone uses neither) or wants to see them on the back panel, meaning that people *avoid* models with too many legacy connections. Regardless, the impact they have on the bill of materials is too low to have ripple effect on MSRPs which sometimes get rounded up and sometimes get rounded down to the nearest hundred minus one dollar. Put simply, the connections would have stayed if only so many people didn't consider them useless and backwards.

The audio RCA connectors have been changed because globally about ten known people out of a five-figure number of gen1 MRX users (yes those are real numbers) had the issue where if a tighter than normal RCA cable was used and then disconnected, the barrel of the jack came off too. Look around and you'll see that this is by far not a unique Anthem issue (keyword "monster" might help) and also note that the jacks in question are made by the millions and used across all kinds of audio products. Many devices will never have a jack issue issue but I'll get to that after this sidebar: In one of his books Bob Lutz, Bean Counters vs Car Guys I think it was, said something about two cases where an American brand car had a much lower rating in popularity contests like JD Power vs its Japanese-rebranded counterpart which was the same design built by the same people on the same assembly line. He hypothesized on when and why people who buy one brand vs the other are more likely to go online and complain to the nth degree. I must say that I agree with what he said, and also read somewhere (Brandwashed book iirc) that average people buying average products tell four people about a positive product experience and ten people about a negative one. People or organizations who have access to CE industry data, not to mention the money to buy it because it's not cheap, know all too well that the same thing can happen in our neck of the woods.

Anyway we didn't leave the jack hardware alone. The reason that the original type of jack was there is because, well, start by looking closely at the gen1 rear panel and you'll see that the audio RCAs and the video RCAs are different. The video RCAs need shielding so they're grounded to chassis. The audio RCAs may also be grounded to chassis but in the hi-end we don't do that, to keep signal ground separate from chassis ground which helps keep noise out of the analog audio. Now, it's not a simple matter of using any ole isolated ground jack because there are other concerns such as RFI and ESD compliance and certain things play into this like preventing HDMI connections from crashing when walking on a carpeted floor on a dry winter day and touching certain parts of the chassis. The solution, and it's not as easy as it might seem at first but new MRX has it, is to use a jack that meets all previous requirements while, after learning from gen1 service data, allows the addition of a retainer which makes it impossible for the RCA barrel to be removed while assembled into the rear panel. So, now the same three cases that were brought up on AVS hundreds of times won't happen again and the overall post count will be reduced by a few percentage points (ok, maybe by a mere few dozen posts over the same incident).

If you're still with me after that, yes the updates are by USB only and as stated a few times the real differences between old ARC and new ARC are faster operation through network connection and a prettier UI. The DSP horsepower differences are a result of newer DSP hardware, and the new ARC software which knows how to talk to the new DSP calculates the curves accordingly. There are no functional differences between 510 and 710 but the design differences go beyond transformer type, and yes the internet tuner is gone because it was part of the media player and because there are so many audio streaming services around these days that having a mere one service when standalone players have ten times that number and rising is nearly pointless.

I can't answer your DVD recorder question directly except to say that the HDMI output is designed to go to TVs (this means audio is stereo pcm) and if the input on your unspecified recorder model happens to like that then you can probably record it. I guess to get a real answer someone has to set up a system with the same model and I'm sure that dealers who will have the new models on demo will be more than willing to accommodate.
Edited by Nick @ Anthem - 9/28/13 at 8:19am
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