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post #4021 of 16456
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

It's an Onkyo Blu-Ray Disc Player DV-BD507. I used it to play CD's, DVD's and Blu-Ray's. There is an HDMI cable connected from the TV to the Blu-Ray player and another HDMI cable connected from the TV to the cable box. This Onkyo player has only one HDMI out jack and has an optical, coaxial digital audio output and an analog audio output.

You mentioned that you had some professionals set this up for you? I am willing to bet that these people didn't even use ARC to set up your room up. From what you are saying these guy's do not know anything about the MRX's?
post #4022 of 16456
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

You mentioned that you had some professionals set this up for you? I am willing to bet that these people didn't even use ARC to set up your room up. From what you are saying these guy's do not know anything about the MRX's?

Why even worry about ARC - everything is hooked up WRONG

Using the word PROFESSIONAL does not apply.
post #4023 of 16456
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

Now I am really confused!!! The audio and the home theatre system seem to work out fine as the CD sound is good and the TV picture from the cable and DVD's, Blu-ray's look sharp!!!!! If everything is hooked up wrong, why is't I can listen to the CD and watch the TV with no problems??? The CD sound from the MRX is great and the TV picture resolution in both standard and HD format from the cable box and DVD player look as they are supposed to. Now I am completely lost and confused!!!!!!!

As with most all things digital and electronic... there is often more than one way to accomplish the same goal. Sometimes however one way is far superior to the other (and sometimes they don't make a bit of difference).

It is a bit like putting lights on a tree... you can run an extension cord to the top of the tree and then run your lights down the tree... you can daisy chain all the lights one after the next (until you blow a fuse) or you can run the lights from the bottom to the top. Heck you could even run the extension cord half way up the tree and have some lights run down the tree and some up!

What your dealer has currently done will provide a great picture, but the sound will not be great. (There may be a good reason why the dealer configured your setup the way they did... as we may not know your full setup at this point and perhaps there is some catch we are missing... but from what we do know and what you have told us so far, this doesn't sound ideal at all).

Only an HDMI connection from your BluRay to the MRX is going to provide you the best sound options from your player. As well as your setup is now very complicated. Everytime you want to switch from your BluRay player to the cable box, you have to change the input of the TV as well as the MRX. If both your BluRay player and cable box ran to the MRX, all you would have to do is turn on the TV (which would always stay set to the MRX input) and then select the correct source on your MRX. No need to always change two inputs every time you change devices.

I think you might want to contact your dealer, find out if there is a more experienced installer who might be able to assist you. You payed for the installation, you should get your moneys worth! Make sure you stick with the installer as he works and ask him lots of questions, this is a good time to start getting comfortable with the MRX and start learning how everything works (of course don't drive him completely crazy...). Make sure you see that he actually does the ARC Calibration (this would be hard to miss him doing... it takes 20-30 minutes and makes lots of sound test with each speaker one at a time) and that he sets the MRX to use ARC.

Your current configuration is not providing you everything you paid for and is far more complicated to operate than it needs to be. Yes it may be working... but that does not mean it couldn't get a lot better!
post #4024 of 16456
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post


Your current configuration is not providing you everything you paid for and is far more complicated to operate than it needs to be. Yes it may be working... but that does not mean it couldn't get a lot better!

Maybe Tigger is the new Bob Pariseau the man with
the patience to write long detailed answers

BRAVO
post #4025 of 16456
The ARC calibration was done and the graphs did show the measured, calculated and target settings. The post calibration did show the graphs to be better than the pre. All the settings are saved in the MRX.
post #4026 of 16456
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Maybe Tigger is the new Bob Pariseau the man with
the patience to write long detailed answers

Trust me... I could never replace Bob . He has contributed some fantastic info to this forum and it was of great help as I was first learning my way around my new Anthem MRX. My thanks go to him and several others such as Jayray who have continually provide fantastic information, feedback and patience to all that posted along the way.
post #4027 of 16456
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

The ARC calibration was done and the graphs did show the measured, calculated and target settings. The post calibration did show the graphs to be better than the pre. All the settings are saved in the MRX.

Hamptons, it is great that ARC is done right at least. To summarize what Tigger has said: you should run all the sources capable of HDMI to your MRX inputs and run one HDMI cable from MRX output to one of your TV's inputs. The advantages:

1) You will be able to switch both sound and picture in one go
2) This is the only way to get the best lossless surround sound from your Blu-Ray disks
3) You will have less cables because HDMI carry both video and digital audio
post #4028 of 16456
Great thread. I’ve heard D2V /P5 a few times at Hifi shows & dealer, left each time wishing I could have that quality of sound in my home….

My current Kit: Arcam AV8 +P7 / Oppo 95EU / B&W 804s + HMT4 + ASW825.

I’ve only recently checked the Anthem website & realised the MRX range come with Pre-outs, so I could use a MRX300 as a processor into my Arcam P7 and avail of ARC = so am really interested

In addition I’m in middle of renovating my new house, below is a picture of my incomplete home cinema screen wall





B&W 804s will be located in the left & right corner of the screen and will be close to both back & side walls which I believe is not ideal/not recommended. Centre & sub will sit under the frame.
The more I consider the potential issues the speaker locations might create, the more I’m thinking/hoping that ARC is the obvious solution. I’ve read lots of forum members helpful feedback on others graphs advising to move the speakers but as you can imagine that will not really be an option with my proposed screen wall.

Q1) Will ARC be able to compensate for the L/R speaker locations/limitations?
Q2) From all the positive reviews on this thread it sounds like Athem MUSIC mode would be best for listening to stereo music in my room also?
Q3) Should I just downgrade my Oppo 95 to a 93.
E.g. I wouldn’t get any benefit from the Oppo’s DACS >> analogue outputs which is the main reason for buying a 95 i/o 93. Plus I could sell my 95 and use the extra cash to help finance a MRX300.
Needless to house my house renovations has sucked up all my funds.

I’ve dreamed of having a proper dedicated home cinema for years, I think replacing my Arcam AV8 with a MRX300 into my Arcam P7 might be huge improvement to the sound quality.

Am i expecting too much from ARC or are my expectations realistic?
post #4029 of 16456
Just a few more details about my setup and preferences:

I don't use the receiver all the time, basically I use it only when listening to CD's and for watching DVD's and Blu-Ray discs. I watch the TV on its own using their tiny speakers. Rarely do I use the home theatre system speakers when watching the TV. I press the "satellite button" on the MRX with the receiver on to get the big HT sound when I want to hear the HT speakers. Now, is this hook up done right for this kind of configuration? Thanks for all your advice.
post #4030 of 16456
Ran ARC for the first time this morning. I need to do some listing but here are my graphs. What do you think? What a big difference over YPAO. I am really enjoying what ARC has done.

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post #4031 of 16456
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Originally Posted by sneill View Post

Great thread. I've heard D2V /P5 a few times at Hifi shows & dealer, left each time wishing I could have that quality of sound in my home.

My current Kit: Arcam AV8 +P7 / Oppo 95EU / B&W 804s + HMT4 + ASW825.

I've only recently checked the Anthem website & realised the MRX range come with Pre-outs, so I use a MRX300 as a processor into my Arcam P7 and avail of ARC = so am really interested

In addition I'm in middle of renovating my new house, below is a picture of my incomplete home cinema screen wall





B&W 804s will be located in the left & right corner of the screen and will be close to both back & side walls which I believe is not ideal/not recommended. Centre & sub will sit under the frame.
The more I consider the potential issues the speaker locations might create, the more I'm thinking/hoping that ARC is the obvious solution. I've read lots of forum members helpful feedback on others graphs advising to move the speakers but as you can imagine that will not really be an option with my proposed screen wall.

Q1) Will ARC be able to compensate for the L/R speaker locations/limitations?
Q2) From all the positive reviews on this thread it sounds like Athem MUSIC mode would be best for listening to stereo music in my room also?
Q3) Should I just downgrade my Oppo 95 to a 93.
E.g. I wouldn't get any benefit from the Oppo's DACS >> analogue outputs which is the main reason for buying a 95 i/o 93. Plus I could sell my 95 and use the extra cash to help finance a MRX300.
Needless to house my house renovations has sucked up all my funds.

I've dreamed of having a proper dedicated home cinema for years, I think replacing my Arcam AV8 with a MRX300 into my Arcam P7 might be huge improvement to the sound quality.

Am i expecting too much from ARC or are my expectations realistic?

I just picked up the 300 to replace my arcam avr350. Using it as pre with emotiva xpa-3. I have the oppo 83. Same boat as you. Hoping arc does its thing in my room. You don't need the oppo 95. Oppo 93 is great but may not need it either. Depends on how you use it (streaming net or sacd over hdmi). I'm thinking of selling my 83 and picking up cheap panny, pocket cash toward 300 purchase.

As far as huge upgrade:
movies=no brainer if arc is as advertised.
music=complicated. The 95 analog into the av8 is a right combo. I bet movies sound awesome also(but no room eq etc). It comes down to your priorities. I thought about 95 into my 350. Decided more movie and gaming these days and arc is the way to go for me.

If it means anything oppo told me digital into the mrx with arc is the way to go for movies. The 95 is really geared more toward critical music listening. You'd have a killer set-up either way.
post #4032 of 16456
Picked up 300 last night. I had to do a little talking with my dealer to sell it. I had spoke to them a couple weeks ago and got a nice little (minimal) discount. Went to pick up and they said they stopped selling mrx's until anthem releases a more stable fw update. Surprising to say the least.

I really like it so far. Haven't arc'd yet. Doesn't have the most current fw loaded but I'll wait until the beta is released to public. Putting faith in anthem to get it right.

Can anyone recommend a keyspan adapter to pick up at local brick chain?
post #4033 of 16456
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Originally Posted by svphile View Post

Picked up 300 last night. I had to do a little talking with my dealer to sell it. I had spoke to them a couple weeks ago and got a nice little (minimal) discount. Went to pick up and they said they stopped selling mrx's until anthem releases a more stable fw update. Surprising to say the least.

I really like it so far. Haven't arc'd yet. Doesn't have the most current fw loaded but I'll wait until the beta is released to public. Putting faith in anthem to get it right.

Can anyone recommend a keyspan adapter to pick up at local brick chain?

Check the first page for the recommended model and link for purchasing it.
John
post #4034 of 16456
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Originally Posted by svphile View Post

picked up 300 last night. I had to do a little talking with my dealer to sell it. I had spoke to them a couple weeks ago and got a nice little (minimal) discount. Went to pick up and they said they stopped selling mrx's until anthem releases a more stable fw update. surprising to say the least.

i really like it so far. Haven't arc'd yet. Doesn't have the most current fw loaded but i'll wait until the beta is released to public. Putting faith in anthem to get it right.

Can anyone recommend a keyspan adapter to pick up at local brick chain?

+1
post #4035 of 16456
I found out the reason why the installer did not hook up the HDMI cables from the BR player to the MRX because I am not going to switch on the receiver all the time when watching the TV. I have replaced the analog cable running from the BR player to the MRX with a digital coaxial cable. Is the digital coaxial cable as good as the HDMI cable as far as sound quality is concerned when listening to the CD?
post #4036 of 16456
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

I found out the reason why the installer did not hook up the HDMI cables from the BR player to the MRX because I am not going to switch on the receiver all the time when watching the TV. I ahve replaced the analog cable running from the BR palyer to the MRX with a digital coaxial cable. Is the digital coaxial cable as good as the HDMI cable as far as sound quality is concerned when listening to the CD?

Yes.
John
post #4037 of 16456
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

I found out the reason why the installer did not hook up the HDMI cables from the BR player to the MRX because I am not going to switch on the receiver all the time when watching the TV. I have replaced the analog cable running from the BR player to the MRX with a digital coaxial cable. Is the digital coaxial cable as good as the HDMI cable as far as sound quality is concerned when listening to the CD?

Due to typically lower levels of clock jitter via digital coaxial cable vs HDMI, you should have an even better sound for CDs. However, I need to repeat that you are missing out on lossless codecs (Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio) that are only streamed via HDMI. MRX is capable of decoding them but you need HDMI hookup for that. Perhaps you can swap the connections and run component video + stereo audio to your TV (for casual watching without MRX) and run HDMI to MRX for the best picture and sound?
post #4038 of 16456
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Yes.
John

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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

I found out the reason why the installer did not hook up the HDMI cables from the BR player to the MRX because I am not going to switch on the receiver all the time when watching the TV. I have replaced the analog cable running from the BR player to the MRX with a digital coaxial cable. Is the digital coaxial cable as good as the HDMI cable as far as sound quality is concerned when listening to the CD?

Yes. I run coax digital as well as HDMI from my OPPO BD player to my MRX700, but you will not be able to process DTS HD Master and/or Dolby TrueHD when viewing Blu-ray movies via your BD player if you do not run HDMI from the BD player to the MRX Receiver. Of course, the choice is yours as to which is more important for daily use, but you are not getting anywhere close to the best possible SQ for movies. Neither I, nor most who partake in this thread would ever go with your particular hook-up.
post #4039 of 16456
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Originally Posted by svphile View Post

I just picked up the 300 to replace my arcam avr350. Using it as pre with emotiva xpa-3. I have the oppo 83. Same boat as you. Hoping arc does its thing in my room. You don't need the oppo 95. Oppo 93 is great but may not need it either. Depends on how you use it (streaming net or sacd over hdmi). I'm thinking of selling my 83 and picking up cheap panny, pocket cash toward 300 purchase.

As far as huge upgrade:
movies=no brainer if arc is as advertised.
music=complicated. The 95 analog into the av8 is a right combo. I bet movies sound awesome also(but no room eq etc). It comes down to your priorities. I thought about 95 into my 350. Decided more movie and gaming these days and arc is the way to go for me.

If it means anything oppo told me digital into the mrx with arc is the way to go for movies. The 95 is really geared more toward critical music listening. You'd have a killer set-up either way.

Thanks for your reply
re"Hoping arc does its thing in my room." - so you haven't run ARC yet?, would like to hear your opinion.
Think I will downgrade from Oppo 95 to the 93, I still want a Oppo as i can get multiregion BD (I'm in Dublin = Region B, I like freedom of purchase/choice) + I'll need the subtitle shift function for my 2.35:1 screen
post #4040 of 16456
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Originally Posted by eric-t View Post

Ran ARC for the first time this morning. I need to do some listing but here are my graphs. What do you think? What a big difference over YPAO. I am really enjoying what ARC has done.

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Jayray and Tigger, could you take a look at the graphs
post #4041 of 16456
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Originally Posted by eric-t View Post

Ran ARC for the first time this morning. I need to do some listing but here are my graphs. What do you think? What a big difference over YPAO. I am really enjoying what ARC has done.

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Congrats Eric-t!

ARC is certainly doing its thing for you! Your fronts look like they might be backed up against a wall or in a corner. If you can pull them out a bit, it may help calm the lower end down. The fronts also seem to have a very bright spot between 5k and 10k, which is outside of where ARC makes corrections. I don't know what is causing this, perhaps it is the speaker design? Maybe Jayray has some thoughts on it. Typically you would want to be flat to tapering off a couple of DB starting around 7k or so.

Your surronds have an interesting dip between 1.5k and 6k which ARC is mostly correcting. Again, not sure what might be causing this, are the speakers near anything like heavy curtains? The right speaker also looks like it is getting some room gain in the lower end, does it sit in a book shelf or in a constrained area?

The center and sub look pretty good to me.

Let's hear what Jayray has to say. Any feedback you can provide on the speakers positioning and the room they're in may help him when he takes a look at your graphs. Jayray is a lot better at diagnosing possible causes of anomalies in graphs than I am.

Looking at the green calculated line in your graphs, I suspect this sound pretty good right now as it is.
post #4042 of 16456
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

Congrats Eric-t!

ARC is certainly doing its thing for you! Your fronts look like they might be backed up against a wall or in a corner. If you can pull them out a bit, it may help calm the lower end down. The fronts also seem to have a very bright spot between 5k and 10k, which is outside of where ARC makes corrections. I don't know what is causing this, perhaps it is the speaker design? Maybe Jayray has some thoughts on it. Typically you would want to be flat to tapering off a couple of DB starting around 7k or so.

Your surronds have an interesting dip between 1.5k and 6k which ARC is mostly correcting. Again, not sure what might be causing this, are the speakers near anything like heavy curtains? The right speaker also looks like it is getting some room gain in the lower end, does it sit in a book shelf or in a constrained area?

The center and sub look pretty good to me.

Let's hear what Jayray has to say. Any feedback you can provide on the speakers positioning and the room they're in may help him when he takes a look at your graphs. Jayray is a lot better at diagnosing possible causes of anomalies in graphs than I am.

Looking at the green calculated line in your graphs, I suspect this sound pretty good right now as it is.

Thanks you Tigger for taking a look. Here is a breakdown of what I have.

Paradigm monitor 9'sv6 L/R/C
Energy CR-100 surrounds.
SVS & eD subs

My L/R are 15" from back and side of wall with bass traps behind them. They are towed in toward the main seating position. I do have wood floors and an area rug on part of the floor in front of my equipment stand. I also have on the left wall a large window with no curtains to draw closed. The rear wall is open but has a 12" drop at the ceiling and this is where my surrounds are mounted which are about 4" below the ceiling..

It does sound good but always like to hear if I could improve it even more. My room is a challenge and I'm sure some room treatments would help it out alot but my wife says, no go.

I'm thinking my large opening in the rear of the room and large window and wood floors are the challenge. Also, I only have the one area to mount my surrounds and with them being only 4" from the ceiling I wonder if the ceiling is causing unwanted reflection.
post #4043 of 16456
I would now just listen for awhile. Your charts look good and I can't see anything glaring that would make a significant difference. Wiggles of less than 2 dB are inaudible so getting a perfectly smooth curve is unlikely to result in any difference. The charts are a guide, listening is the true test.
John
post #4044 of 16456
The reason I don't need to turn on the receiver when watching TV is I am quite happy with the TV's speakers for regular watching. I rarely watch Blu-ray discs and DVD's as I prefer to listen to CD's in my spare time and that's why I want to have the best quality sound when I listen to music. I am happy to hear that with the digital coaxial cable hooked from the Blu-ray player to MRX, I can get as good a sound as from HDMI.
post #4045 of 16456
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

The reason I don't need to turn on the receiver when watching TV is I am quite happy with the TV's speakers for regular watching. I rarely watch Blu-ray discs and DVD's as I prefer to listen to CD's in my spare time and that's why I want to have the best quality sound when I listen to music. I am happy to hear that with the digital coaxial cable hooked from the Blu-ray player to MRX, I can get as good a sound as from HDMI.

If CD listening is your main focus, than the digital coax cable is perfect. If you are also looking for great sound for your DVDs and BluRays, than the coax is not ideal.

It sounds like the team that setup your system understood your requirments better than we did, however if you typically watch movies using the MRX, you might consider changing the BluRay player to use HDMI to the MRX and leave your cable as it is today so that you can watch it with out the MRX.

As was already suggested, you can still run the analog video and audio up to the TV for watching movies with out the MRX. Just a thought so that you can get great CD audio and enjoy the best sound possible when watching movies.
post #4046 of 16456
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

If CD listening is your main focus, than the digital coax cable is perfect. If you are also looking for great sound for your DVDs and BluRays, than the coax is not ideal.

It sounds like the team that setup your system understood your requirments better than we did, however if you typically watch movies using the MRX, you might consider changing the BluRay player to use HDMI to the MRX and leave your cable as it is today so that you can watch it with out the MRX.

As was already suggested, you can still run the analog video and audio up to the TV for watching movies with out the MRX. Just a thought so that you can get great CD audio and enjoy the best sound possible when watching movies.

Hamptons, Your installer (you can also do this yourself) could have met your requirements and hooked your system up to achieve the best of all SQ worlds with a very simple to use Programmable Harmony Remote. Enjoy your new MRX!
post #4047 of 16456
Anyone know's when iPod dock for the MRX is coming out?
post #4048 of 16456
How do you get to run the HDMI from the Blu-Ray player to the MRX without using the MRX when watching TV only? Of course, I want the best possible sound when listening to CD and watching movies without having to turn the MRX on all the time when watching regular TV only. Right now, I have the HDMI cable running from the TV to the Blu-Ray player and there is only one HDMI jack at the back of the Blu-Ray player. There is another HDMI cable running from the TV to the cable box. So where do I run another HDMI from the Blu-Ray player to MRX? From what the installer told me (if I understood him correctly), I have to turn the MRX on all the time when watching regular TV if I hook up an HDMI from the Blu-Ray player to the MRX. Please clarify. Thanks.
post #4049 of 16456
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

I would now just listen for awhile. Your charts look good and I can't see anything glaring that would make a significant difference. Wiggles of less than 2 dB are inaudible so getting a perfectly smooth curve is unlikely to result in any difference. The charts are a guide, listening is the true test.
John

Thank you jayray. I am defiantly going to give my ears time to acclimate to the sound before I do any tweaking. It does sound really good as of now to my ears. What a difference over my Yamaha. Here is two pics to give an idea of my room layout. Don't mind the color as it has been changed Also, the rear speakers are bi-poles.

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post #4050 of 16456
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

How do you get to run the HDMI from the Blu-Ray player to the MRX without using the MRX when watching TV only? Of course, I want the best possible sound when listening to CD and watching movies without having to turn the MRX on all the time when watching regular TV only. Right now, I have the HDMI cable running from the TV to the Blu-Ray player and there is only one HDMI jack at the back of the Blu-Ray player. There is another HDMI cable running from the TV to the cable box. So where do I run another HDMI from the Blu-Ray player to MRX? From what the installer told me (if I understood him correctly), I have to turn the MRX on all the time when watching regular TV if I hook up an HDMI from the Blu-Ray player to the MRX. Please clarify. Thanks.

If you run HDMI from the BluRay player to your MRX, but leave the HDMI from your cable box to your TV, you will still be able to watch cable without the need to turn the MRX on. You would however need the MRX for the BluRay player, UNLESS you also ran analog video/audio cables from your BluRay player to the TV. In this scenerio the best sound and picture from your BluRay player would occure when you were using the MRX, but you could still watch using the BluRay player without the MRX using the analog audio/video output of yoru BluRay player.
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