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post #5791 of 14619
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

Hanser, thanks for querying Anthem. Unfortunately, Anthem's answer is a poor one on several counts:

1. Noise would cause a positive linearity error, not a negative one, as Sound and Vision measured. As it stands, the MRX series has the low level linearity performance of a circa 1990 CD player. See an example graph below:



http://www.stereophile.com/content/n...r-measurements

2. Even if noise were somehow the cause, it should not swamp the output below -80 dBFS. That would be 13-14 bit equivalent performance, unacceptable for components the caliber of the MRX series.



AJ


OK, perhaps it would be best if you would take up this discussion with Anthem directly? I am lacking the necessary knowledge to get into a detailed discussion with them. But since you now have seen, that Anthem is willing to respond to queries like that, it should be no problem for you to discuss it with them.
For my everyday use it does not matter, since for my ears the music produced by the Oppo 93 connected via HDMI to Anthem sound much clearer, more dynamic and more detailed than with my former gear (Rotel Rsp 1066), so the technical questions seem to be academic for me. But I would be very interested to hear of the outcome of your discussion, just from a scientific point.
post #5792 of 14619
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

Those who have listened to the Anthem Logic Music, what is your verdict: do the rear surround speakers sound louder than the main front speakers when listening to music?

Just a thought! I dont know how your speakers are set up, If your front speakers are farther apart then your rears you could get this result! Where your rear speakers sound louder then your front! I had this happen to me! When I moved the front speakers closer then everything came back into balance! I use ALM almost all the time and my rears are close to my couch and it sounds great!!! Not louder where im sitting.

Rick
post #5793 of 14619
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Originally Posted by svphile View Post

Let me clarify,

I've been running 40.5 since I purchased my mrx300 without issue.

This morning, very random, I powered on my mrx300 and it behaved as if it didn't have any FW. I could scroll certain functions but they were all defaulted values and useless. All inputs would switch but would not recognize sources. It wouldn't pass video or display setup menu.

The first time I powered down it said mrx500 powering off. Strange! I then power cycled a couple times and nothing changed. However, it was displaying mrx300.

I finally figured out how to factory reset and I was back up again. FW in menu said 40.5

At this point I decided to update FW to 50.1, reload my arc measurments with a slight tweak I'd been wanting try, and restored all my menu options they way I like them.

All seems well now. Here is to hoping that never happens again.

The only thing I'm noticing is my 300 doesn't always recognize incoming audio signal properly when it is powered on after source. It will either display no audio or 2 ch pcm instead of DD/DTS. If I power on mrx300 first and source second I don't have any issues with my 300 detecting correct audio stream.

Hope this can help someone else if they ever have similar issue. However, it seems pretty random and I can't recall ever reading anything similar.

I will let Anthem know for sure. I'd like to know what they think might have caused such a bizzare glitch.

Anthem told me to try 50.11 FW. No explanation or insight as to what caused the problem. I'm not saying they need to allocate undue resources to my case but a little elaboration would have been nice.

I'll definetly try it. However, this type of response tells me they don't believe previous FW versions are very stable.

Something caused the issue and it wasn't user error. If it is an isolated incident then there isn't a problem. However, if problems persist more information and explanation are required.
post #5794 of 14619
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Originally Posted by svphile View Post

Anthem told me to try 50.11 FW. No explanation or insight as to what caused the problem. I'm not saying they need to allocate undue resources to my case but a little elaboration would have been nice.

I'll definetly try it. However, this type of response tells me they don't believe previous FW versions are very stable.

Something caused the issue and it wasn't user error. If it is an isolated incident then there isn't a problem. However, if problems persist more information and explanation are required.

Has that firmware been released? I've only seen 50.04 and heard of the 50.10 beta testing.
post #5795 of 14619
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Originally Posted by iamcdn22 View Post

Has that firmware been released? I've only seen 50.04 and heard of the 50.10 beta testing.

It is in beta only.
post #5796 of 14619
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Originally Posted by iamcdn22 View Post


Has that firmware been released? I've only seen 50.04 and heard of the 50.10 beta testing.

5.11 in beta.
John
post #5797 of 14619
Any thoughts?

My mrx300 is still having problems. I'm still running FW50.1 not FW50.11. It has wiped out some of my settings twice. The first time my personalized inputs defaulted to factory settings. I just re-named my inputs. This morning my wife called me at work and said she couldn't get audio. I figured it was an hdmi handshake so I told her to power down and back up. She did and it came up with the tuner displayed and all the inputs were back to default names i.e. Directv was sat. However, it did detect audio stream.

I won't be able to check this out in more detail untill later this evening but I believe the tuner coming up upon power up is the default when you do a facrory reset or power on for the first time.

I'm thinking about a replacement mrx300 at this point. I can't deal with a piece of gear this buggy.

Could the processor be going bad? The FW should be stable enough to not cause this kind of issue.

What doing fellas?
post #5798 of 14619
As per Anthem with the 50.11, setting the video signal to any resolution signal while playing blu ray is still consider through mode. I asked this question about three times and the answer was no processing for video signal with blu rays 1080p/24.
post #5799 of 14619
I listened to the Anthem Logic Music again last night in a different seating position. This time I sat between the two main front speakers with the surround rear back in between. I am glad to say I can hear a fuller sound coming from the front speakers. Last time, I was sitting too close in a corner with one of the rear surrounds directly facing my ear. I thought the ARC would have "calibrated" the sound after "correcting" all the speakers location with the result that regardless of where one sits, one would get a "balanced" sound from any of the listening modes. Is this a correct assumption to make? Thanks.
post #5800 of 14619
No. If you sit in the "near field" of a speaker it will dominate. Try switching to Dipole style surround speakers which work by bouncing sound off the walls/ceiling.
--Bob
post #5801 of 14619
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

I listened to the Anthem Logic Music again last night in a different seating position. This time I sat between the two main front speakers with the surround rear back in between. I am glad to say I can hear a fuller sound coming from the front speakers. Last time, I was sitting too close in a corner with one of the rear surrounds directly facing my ear. I thought the ARC would have "calibrated" the sound after "correcting" all the speakers location with the result that regardless of where one sits, one would get a "balanced" sound from any of the listening modes. Is this a correct assumption to make? Thanks.

Unfortunately, ARC can't overcome physics. Sitting closer to a speaker will necessarily make it louder, and geometrically so as you get closer. It's simply not possible to "balance" the sound in the sense that you mean, so no, your assumption is incorrect.
post #5802 of 14619
I have following speakers
Paradigm Studio 100, center 690, Sub 15

I did run setup of ARC first time. Here are the graphs





What is your opinion? I did it to learn how to do ARC. I need to fix these and run again.

1. Side rears are at ear or lower level now. Need to install at 6 feet high
2. Center (690) is on the floor and need to rise at least 2 or 3 feet to just touch bottom of the screen
3. I only have one sofa and just took two more positions next to it.

It uploaded automatically. I thought it will ask me before upload. I also did not see the parameters screen. I am also not sure whether ARC is applied to movie or music configuration.

Appreciate any input. I will start reading the graphs in the forum.
post #5803 of 14619
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

I have following speakers
Paradigm Studio 100, center 690, Sub 15

I did run setup of ARC first time. Here are the graphs





What is your opinion? I did it to learn how to do ARC. I need to fix these and run again.

1. Side rears are at ear or lower level now. Need to install at 6 feet high
2. Center (690) is on the floor and need to rise at least 2 or 3 feet to just touch bottom of the screen
3. I only have one sofa and just took two more positions next to it.

It uploaded automatically. I thought it will ask me before upload. I also did not see the parameters screen. I am also not sure whether ARC is applied to movie or music configuration.

Appreciate any input. I will start reading the graphs in the forum.

My only suggestion is to check your sub. It seems to have great output from 20Hz till about 50Hz where it starts to fall flat. Maybe a crossover on the sub. If you run Arc in automatic mode it will do everything for you. Then you can go look at targets, etc...
post #5804 of 14619
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Originally Posted by rwheelwright View Post

My only suggestion is to check your sub. It seems to have great output from 20Hz till about 50Hz where it starts to fall flat. Maybe a crossover on the sub. If you run Arc in automatic mode it will do everything for you. Then you can go look at targets, etc...

Thanks for quick reply. I selected "automatic(recommended)" on welcome screen. Do you mean this "automatic mode" means?
post #5805 of 14619
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

I have following speakers
Paradigm Studio 100, center 690, Sub 15

I did run setup of ARC first time. Here are the graphs

What is your opinion? I did it to learn how to do ARC. I need to fix these and run again.

1. Side rears are at ear or lower level now. Need to install at 6 feet high
2. Center (690) is on the floor and need to rise at least 2 or 3 feet to just touch bottom of the screen
3. I only have one sofa and just took two more positions next to it.

It uploaded automatically. I thought it will ask me before upload. I also did not see the parameters screen. I am also not sure whether ARC is applied to movie or music configuration.

Appreciate any input. I will start reading the graphs in the forum.

Automatic is when ARC does everything for you including upload the correction file. Your sub could also be in a bad location. When you get the right spot the Red measured curve will likely be close to flat from 100 Hz to 20Hz. I have the same speakers and had a sub 15. Trust me, it will do more in a better spot. Your other speakers look very good.
John
post #5806 of 14619
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Automatic is when ARC does everything for you including upload the correction file. Your sub could also be in a bad location. When you get the right spot the Red measured curve will likely be close to flat from 100 Hz to 20Hz. I have the same speakers and had a sub 15. Trust me, it will do more in a better spot. Your other speakers look very good.
John

Jayray,
Thanks for the feedback. I am also reading post from Tiger. I will run advanced mode also.

I put the subwoofer next to right speaker. I don't know what are settings in the back of subwoofer(knobs). I will look at it today. I will try with this settings.

Knobs on subwoofer
volume: 1/2
phase: 0 ( I found 0 if they are at the front, 180 if they are in the back)
crossover: Bypass

I will verify following in speaker configuration
Subwoofer crossover: 100hz

Where did you place your subwoofer? Do you think I can try move it back. It also reduces cable length. If so, I will set phase to 180.

Appreciate for sharing so much information on the forum. I read lot of your postings.

Sukumar
post #5807 of 14619
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post


Jayray,
Thanks for the feedback. I am also reading post from Tiger. I will run advanced mode also.

I put the subwoofer next to right speaker. I don't know what are settings in the back of subwoofer(knobs). I will look at it today. I will try with this settings.

Knobs on subwoofer
volume: 1/2
phase: 0 ( I found 0 if they are at the front, 180 if they are in the back)
crossover: Bypass

I will verify following in speaker configuration
Subwoofer crossover: 100hz

Where did you place your subwoofer? Do you think I can try move it back. It also reduces cable length. If so, I will set phase to 180.

Appreciate for sharing so much information on the forum. I read lot of your postings.

Sukumar

Move sub to side wall pointing into the room. This is what I did and the results were amazing. I went up the wall 8 ft. but it will likely be different based on your room. Can you post your Target window so we can see where ARC set your sub cutoff and speaker crossover values.
John
post #5808 of 14619
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

As per Anthem with the 50.11, setting the video signal to any resolution signal while playing blu ray is still consider through mode. I asked this question about three times and the answer was no processing for video signal with blu rays 1080p/24.

How you doing Brian Can you elaborate a little more regarding this? Not sure what you are referring too.
post #5809 of 14619
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Originally Posted by eric-t View Post


How you doing Brian Can you elaborate a little more regarding this? Not sure what you are referring too.

Regardless of video resolution setting, blu rays 10080p/24 will be always unprocessed.
post #5810 of 14619
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Originally Posted by svphile View Post

Any thoughts?

My mrx300 is still having problems. I'm still running FW50.1 not FW50.11. It has wiped out some of my settings twice. The first time my personalized inputs defaulted to factory settings. I just re-named my inputs. This morning my wife called me at work and said she couldn't get audio. I figured it was an hdmi handshake so I told her to power down and back up. She did and it came up with the tuner displayed and all the inputs were back to default names i.e. Directv was sat. However, it did detect audio stream.

I won't be able to check this out in more detail untill later this evening but I believe the tuner coming up upon power up is the default when you do a facrory reset or power on for the first time.

I'm thinking about a replacement mrx300 at this point. I can't deal with a piece of gear this buggy.

Could the processor be going bad? The FW should be stable enough to not cause this kind of issue.

What doing fellas?

Just checked my 300 and everything in menu is defaulted. I'm going to load 50.11 and see if it fixes random auto default. I spoke with my dealer this morning and they'll swap out if it doesn't.

Really hard to pinpoint if software or hardware.

Has anyone experienced anything similiar? Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
post #5811 of 14619
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Move sub to side wall pointing into the room. This is what I did and the results were amazing. I went up the wall 8 ft. but it will likely be different based on your room. Can you post your Target window so we can see where ARC set your sub cutoff and speaker crossover values.
John

I will try placing subwoofer side. I just checked current settings on sub woofer and every knob is in the middle. Here are the current values with which I tried ARC

Volume : half
Phase :90 (Assuming center is 90 ranging from 0 to 180)
crossover: 80 Hz (I see next one is 150 and last one as bypass)

Not sure this is why I got bad subwoofer curve.

I will try in the same position with phase 0 and crossover by pass. Once after ARC is complete, are these right values to keep them playing?

If I move sufwoofer to side pointing to other side wall, do I need to change phase?

Thanks,
Sukumar
post #5812 of 14619
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post


I will try placing subwoofer side. I just checked current settings on sub woofer and every knob is in the middle. Here are the current values with which I tried ARC

Volume : half
Phase :90 (Assuming center is 90 ranging from 0 to 180)
crossover: 80 Hz (I see next one is 150 and last one as bypass)

Not sure this is why I got bad subwoofer curve.

I will try in the same position with phase 0 and crossover by pass. Once after ARC is complete, are these right values to keep them playing?

If I move sufwoofer to side pointing to other side wall, do I need to change phase?

Thanks,
Sukumar

Turn phase to 0, bypass crossover. You don't need to change phase to start. Remember inches can make a big diff. 4 inches changed my results so experiment.
John
post #5813 of 14619
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Turn phase to 0, bypass crossover. You don't need to change phase to start. Remember inches can make a big diff. 4 inches changed my results so experiment.
John

Thanks. I will try with these settings. When you write 4 inches means I am assuming move subwoofer 4 inches. By the way, what are you using to place center 690 higher. Those are on the floor and I want to elevate to 2 feet . I have screen above 2 feet.
post #5814 of 14619
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

...do I need to change phase?

Jay is right, leave the phase at 0 for now. We can work on getting all the speakers time aligned after we get them working as best as we can on their own!
post #5815 of 14619
Help!!!! I turned on my MRX 700 last night and the front panel display shows "CD no signal". I was trying to play a CD from the Blu-ray player and there was no sound at all. I switched to tuner to test the system and also there was no sound at all. What could be wrong?? This is the first time it happened to me. Thanks.
post #5816 of 14619
Can anyone tell me the power draw of CEC on an MRX amp?

Thanks
post #5817 of 14619
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

Thanks. I will try with these settings. When you write 4 inches means I am assuming move subwoofer 4 inches. By the way, what are you using to place center 690 higher. Those are on the floor and I want to elevate to 2 feet . I have screen above 2 feet.

Hi,

or the listening position can be moved 4 inches too.... Usually a lot easier to move the subwoofer but the frequency response is directly linked between the two. So for example if your sub is where it fits best with the furniture and the TV etc. then try moving the sofa back or up four inches...

Cheers.

Tony
post #5818 of 14619
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Originally Posted by WonkyEwok View Post

Can anyone tell me the power draw of CEC on an MRX amp?

Thanks

I think it is equivalent to an incandescent bulb around 60W being on 24/7.
John
post #5819 of 14619
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

I think it is equivalent to an incandescent bulb around 60W being on 24/7.
John

Thanks - in the end I found it was easier than I'd expected to measure, so I've just done it : for my UK model it's 68 W continuously. The UK anthem rep said (2nd hand, so maybe a misinterpretation has crept in) that this falls if CEC is turned off in the connected devices. But I've just tried it with no connected devices and got exactly the same 68 W.
post #5820 of 14619
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Originally Posted by hamptons View Post

Help!!!! I turned on my MRX 700 last night and the front panel display shows "CD no signal". I was trying to play a CD from the Blu-ray player and there was no sound at all. I switched to tuner to test the system and also there was no sound at all. What could be wrong?? This is the first time it happened to me. Thanks.

Did you try unplugging the unit for a minute and then plugging it back in?
I had a similar problem that ended up being a bad HDMI cable but this sounds a little different.
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