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post #6241 of 16453
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Originally Posted by rwheelwright View Post

Have you changed the video output to through?

I have a Sony S550 and it works great. A little slow sometimes but no problems. I am considering either a an Oppo 93 or a Sony 780.

I'm set to Through. Support is asking me to make sure any output settings from BR or PS3 are not set to Automatic and to statically set them to 1080P and Bitstream.

Can you advise me on : the sony BDPS580 and what you think of this site:

My PS3 is old and FAT and my tester BRP is a cheapy..
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/techn...roduction.html
Does this hold water? In part II "on the bench" The 570 was a good source.. does that mean the 580 would be near the same?
post #6242 of 16453
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Originally Posted by NathanD View Post

I'm set to Through. Support is asking me to make sure any output settings from BR or PS3 are not set to Automatic and to statically set them to 1080P and Bitstream.

Can you advise me on : the sony BDPS580 and what you think of this site:

My PS3 is old and FAT and my tester BRP is a cheapy..
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/techn...roduction.html
Does this hold water? In part II "on the bench" The 570 was a good source.. does that mean the 580 would be near the same?

forget the 580.. it tests poorly.. my bad
post #6243 of 16453
Do the tone controls (treble and bass) only affect the speakers output and not the sub? I would think that is the case and LFE is strictly for the sub. I just recently started fiddling with them to get a bit more midbass punch from my mains but nit sure if this is also increasing sub output. Can anyone confirm?
post #6244 of 16453
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Originally Posted by Anthony A. View Post

Do the tone controls (treble and bass) only affect the speakers output and not the sub? I would think that is the case and LFE is strictly for the sub. I just recently started fiddling with them to get a bit more midbass punch from my mains but nit sure if this is also increasing sub output. Can anyone confirm?

The Tone controls should apply to the sub as well. Unlike using the Speaker Level controls which only increased decrease the speaker you are adjusting. The Tone controls apply to all speakers and should be applied smoothly accross your crossover points. This includes the crossover point from your main speakers to the sub.

Note, your sub perfoms two tasks, it plays the LFE track of a Movie as well as it playes the low frequencies that your main speakers can not handle. Tone controls will certainly affect the low frequencies crossing over from your mains. If it did not you would get a shelf in your bass where the MRX was crossing the mid to high bass region of your main speakers over to the sub. As for the LFE track which is specifically intended for the sub only, I imagine it increase this as well, though I cannot 100% say it does.
post #6245 of 16453
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

Any decent current BluRay player from a major manufacture should work well, especially in through.

If I'm not mistaken, you said the snow appears when the MRX is set to "Through" for video and also when you have the MRX off and simply are passing the signal through?

I think I would work with Anthem, it sounds like you have tried a number of reasonable tests and I think at this point you need the Pros at Anthem so they can run through tests (some you may have already tried, just work with them) and see if they think there is an issue that might be firmware related (I'm thinking if you have tried several source players this is unlikely) or perhaps an issue with your specific MRX.

I came home and reviewed the settings on the PS3, when I turned off DEEP COLOR the distortion stopped and the picture was clear.

I;m testing a samsung player with deep color set to auto.

When is Deep Color used?
post #6246 of 16453
Latest run. something isn't quite right because yesterdays had room gains of 2. something
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post #6247 of 16453
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Originally Posted by NathanD View Post

I came home and reviewed the settings on the PS3, when I turned off DEEP COLOR the distortion stopped and the picture was clear.

I;m testing a samsung player with deep color set to auto.

When is Deep Color used?

Did you try a different HDMI cable?
post #6248 of 16453
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Originally Posted by bolsen187 View Post

Latest run. something isn't quite right because yesterdays had room gains of 2. something

Hello Bolsen,

We don't have the sub levels set where we need them on your speakers yet. I sent you a PM

Not to worry, we have made great progress!

--Tigger!
post #6249 of 16453
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Originally Posted by glennQNYC View Post
Did you try a different HDMI cable?
Bought and replaced all cables. I think my old PS3 is good for gaming, but to do the higher end stuff, can't cut it for sound and display.

If i could only explain the differences I see and hear going from PS3 to a quality blu ray player.. and I'm nobody special.. actually I have a slight hearing loss and usually wear hearing aids.. and the difference was profound.

Furthermore.. reading and reading and reading on how all players are not created equal.. the only player that plays true is .. Oppo. I'm not happy becuase I don't want to spend that kind of money .. but its obviously nessesary... on a projector you see everything.


In the end... I'm glad the problem was not my MRX and .. I need an Oppo.
post #6250 of 16453
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Originally Posted by NathanD

Bought and replaced all cables. I think my old PS3 is good for gaming, but to do the higher end stuff, can't cut it for sound and display.

If i could only explain the differences I see and hear going from PS3 to a quality blu ray player.. and I'm nobody special.. actually I have a slight hearing loss and usually wear hearing aids.. and the difference was profound.

Furthermore.. reading and reading and reading on how all players are not created equal.. the only player that plays true is .. Oppo. I'm not happy becuase I don't want to spend that kind of money .. but its obviously nessesary... on a projector you see everything.

In the end... I'm glad the problem was not my MRX and .. I need an Oppo.
My older ps3 has sound equal to my oppo for movies with my D2v and MRX. As for picture on my 106" screen, hard to tell any diff. Something else may be at play.
John
post #6251 of 16453
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Originally Posted by NathanD View Post
Bought and replaced all cables. I think my old PS3 is good for gaming, but to do the higher end stuff, can't cut it for sound and display.

If i could only explain the differences I see and hear going from PS3 to a quality blu ray player.. and I'm nobody special.. actually I have a slight hearing loss and usually wear hearing aids.. and the difference was profound.

Furthermore.. reading and reading and reading on how all players are not created equal.. the only player that plays true is .. Oppo. I'm not happy becuase I don't want to spend that kind of money .. but its obviously nessesary... on a projector you see everything.


In the end... I'm glad the problem was not my MRX and .. I need an Oppo.
Could it be that your PS3 needs a firmware update? I myself want an Oppo 93 but for now I am happy with what I got. $500 is expensive though for a bd player these days.
post #6252 of 16453
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Originally Posted by rwheelwright

Could it be that your PS3 needs a firmware update? I myself want an Oppo 93 but for now I am happy with what I got. $500 is expensive though for a bd player these days.
I can't remember a firmware update that ever made any diff with the picture or sound quality except when they decided to support DTS MA.
John
post #6253 of 16453
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

I can't remember a firmware update that ever made any diff with the picture or sound quality except when they decided to support DTS MA.
John

Ehh it was worth a shot. I don't have a PS3 so I can't comment any more.
post #6254 of 16453
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Originally Posted by rwheelwright View Post

Ehh it was worth a shot. I don't have a PS3 so I can't comment any more.

Your suggestion was, in most cases warranted, but with the ps3, most of the firmwaer updates are for gamers and not for us HT guys. They sure do come fast and furiously though.
John
post #6255 of 16453
Thanks to Tigger I believe I am at the End of ARC for now. Thanks to all of you and Anthem and Oppo and Definitive Technology. The line of flutes and piccolos Playing "The Stars and Stripes Forever" stretch from wall to wall and I could hear each of the 4 piccolos and place them across the sound stage. Unbelievable. And then "Saving Private Ryan" sent chills up my spine. Dawn Upshaw singing Vernon Duke never sounded better.
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post #6256 of 16453
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Originally Posted by bolsen187 View Post
Thanks to Tigger I believe I am at the End of ARC for now. Thanks to all of you and Anthem and Oppo and Definitive Technology. The line of flutes and piccolos Playing "The Stars and Stripes Forever" stretch from wall to wall and I could hear each of the 4 piccolos and place them across the sound stage. Unbelievable. And then "Saving Private Ryan" sent chills up my spine. Dawn Upshaw singing Vernon Duke never sounded better.
These look much better! I think there is still a lot more we can do, if you're not all ARC'd out and your wife can part with you for one more hour... But this must be sounding much better!
post #6257 of 16453
I've just started reading through the owner's thread....hard not to get past the first page without taking your CC out and buying one today.

That being said, here is my situation:

I'm currently using a Marantz 7005 pre/pro with Emotiva 5 Channel and 2 Channel amps to power my JTR Speakers (4ohm) for L/C/R speakers and JBL Pro 8340A sides and rears. I'm also using the SVS Sub EQ for my sub array.

I'm heading to my local Anthem dealer, who I have purchased other items before. I really like thier service and focus on the customer. Since I'll be using external amplification, would the 300 serve my needs or would I be missing something performance wise by not considering the 500 or 700. My only focus is single room sound quality for HT usage only.

I would appreciate your thoughts or suggestions. Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Ron
post #6258 of 16453
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post
I've just started reading through the owner's thread....hard not to get past the first page without taking your CC out and buying one today.

That being said, here is my situation:

I'm currently using a Marantz 7005 pre/pro with Emotiva 5 Channel and 2 Channel amps to power my JTR Speakers (4ohm) for L/C/R speakers and JBL Pro 8340A sides and rears. I'm also using the SVS Sub EQ for my sub array.

I'm heading to my local Anthem dealer, who I have purchased other items before. I really like thier service and focus on the customer. Since I'll be using external amplification, would the 300 serve my needs or would I be missing something performance wise by not considering the 500 or 700. My only focus is single room sound quality for HT usage only.

I would appreciate your thoughts or suggestions. Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Ron
I came from a Marantz! I Also use external AMPS (outlaw mono-blocks)
I picked up the 300. I don't need the larger power supplies of the 500 or 700. I don't need the HD radio or USB card Reader. That being said, I feel the the Anthem ARC system is superior to Audyssey.My system sounded good
before, now to me it sounds much better.
post #6259 of 16453
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Originally Posted by rboster
I've just started reading through the owner's thread....hard not to get past the first page without taking your CC out and buying one today.

That being said, here is my situation:

I'm currently using a Marantz 7005 pre/pro with Emotiva 5 Channel and 2 Channel amps to power my JTR Speakers (4ohm) for L/C/R speakers and JBL Pro 8340A sides and rears. I'm also using the SVS Sub EQ for my sub array.

I'm heading to my local Anthem dealer, who I have purchased other items before. I really like thier service and focus on the customer. Since I'll be using external amplification, would the 300 serve my needs or would I be missing something performance wise by not considering the 500 or 700. My only focus is single room sound quality for HT usage only.

I would appreciate your thoughts or suggestions. Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Ron
The 300 should do fine based on your needs. ARC will be the same in all three models so if you don't care about bells and whistles, just great sound, go for it.
John
post #6260 of 16453
Thanks guys for your responses. I would assume the larger power supplies would be more relevant to the amp's performance vs the performance of the decoder? Am I wrong in that assumption? I'm not opposed to buying the 500 if I'll experience better real world performance for my set up.

Again, thanks for responding

Ron
post #6261 of 16453
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

Thanks guys for your responses. I would assume the larger power supplies would be more relevant to the amp's performance vs the performance of the decoder? Am I wrong in that assumption? I'm not opposed to buying the 500 if I'll experience better real world performance for my set up.

Again, thanks for responding

Ron

If you use ext. amps, you'll have no reduction in sound quality.
John
post #6262 of 16453
Everything seems to be working correctly for DVD except that I always stay at PCM 2.0 when playing DST 5.1. I only use hdmi no analogue. OPPO says that DTS 5.1 is being sent to MRX. MRX says that I am sending PCM to TV and I am generating a rear channel so that means that PCM 2.0 is active.I have not updated firmware in OPPO but will do that tonight and I will also get another HDMI cable to run between OPPO and MRX. Can anyone one weigh in on this? After lengthy go round with Tigger all settings appear to be correct. I must be missing something else, but what?
post #6263 of 16453
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Originally Posted by bolsen187 View Post

Everything seems to be working correctly for DVD except that I always stay at PCM 2.0 when playing DST 5.1. I only use hdmi no analogue. OPPO says that DTS 5.1 is being sent to MRX. MRX says that I am sending PCM to TV and I am generating a rear channel so that means that PCM 2.0 is active.I have not updated firmware in OPPO but will do that tonight and I will also get another HDMI cable to run between OPPO and MRX. Can anyone one weigh in on this? After lengthy go round with Tigger all settings appear to be correct. I must be missing something else, but what?

Isnt it one or the other, whom ever you chose to do the coding/decoding... you either send bitstream/PCM to the anthem to decode and say DTS-HD (or whatever) or you encode decode at the OPPO and send the data already done to the Anthem where its read as PCM..
Am i not right?
post #6264 of 16453
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

If you use ext. amps, you'll have no reduction in sound quality.
John

Thanks John for the quick response. When I brought up my set up to the dealer, he didn't mention the 300 at all as an option....he went directly to the 500 and 700....when I reiterated that I had external amps that I would be using with the 300...again he went straight to the 500/700 option without much explaination as to why. I didn't want to come off as an A$$, so I didn't push him. He's taken care of me on a couple of issues I had with my paradigms when I owned them (he sold them to me).
post #6265 of 16453
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

Thanks John for the quick response. When I brought up my set up to the dealer, he didn't mention the 300 at all as an option....he went directly to the 500 and 700....when I reiterated that I had external amps that I would be using with the 300...again he went straight to the 500/700 option without much explaination as to why. I didn't want to come off as an A$$, so I didn't push him. He's taken care of me on a couple of issues I had with my paradigms when I owned them (he sold them to me).

Anthem has stated that with ext. amps. the 300 would do just fine and some experts at CES had the same opinion of the 300 as a preamp and what a great deal it was. Your dealer just wanted to make some more profit
John
post #6266 of 16453
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Originally Posted by bolsen187 View Post

Everything seems to be working correctly for DVD except that I always stay at PCM 2.0 when playing DST 5.1. I only use hdmi no analogue. OPPO says that DTS 5.1 is being sent to MRX. MRX says that I am sending PCM to TV and I am generating a rear channel so that means that PCM 2.0 is active.I have not updated firmware in OPPO but will do that tonight and I will also get another HDMI cable to run between OPPO and MRX. Can anyone one weigh in on this? After lengthy go round with Tigger all settings appear to be correct. I must be missing something else, but what?

The on-screen info display on the 95 shows what audio format is being read off the disc -- not what it is sending out on the HDMI cable.

The most likely reason for getting LPCM 2.0 output when the audio track your are playing from the disc is DTS 5.1 is that you've got your HDMI cables wired backwards.

When using both HDMI outputs of the 95, the correct method is to use HDMI 1 from the 95 direct to your display and HDMI 2 from the 95 to the MRX. That will give you full audio support into the MRX.

If you do it the other way around you will discover that while HDMI 2 is cabled, the 95 will only send out stereo audio on HDMI 1.

On the 95 the HDMI 1 output is the one near the center of the back panel. That's the one to go to your TV.

The HDMI 2 output is the one near the right side of the back panel (as you face the front of the player) -- the side opposite the power cord. That's the one to go to the MRX.

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If you are using only one HDMI cable from the 95, then you can use either one, and you should get full audio support. The HDMI 1 output would be the normal choice as that's the one that offers the QDEO video processing. There's no setting mistake you can make in the 95 which will cause DTS 5.1 to be reduced to stereo for HDMI output. In that case, the most likely reason for seeing stereo output is that you are not actually playing a DTS 5.1 track from the disc but are playing a stereo track. Many DVDs use stereo as their default audio track. You need to select the multi-channel track from the disc's own menus. Keep in mind that the audio played during previews and while viewing disc menus may very well be different from the audio played once you start the feature. So be sure you are playing the feature before you check for what type of audio you are getting.

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Use the Setup > Audio Format Setup > HDMI Audio setting in the 95 to control whether Bitstream or LPCM output is used when playing Bitstream tracks. If you set HDMI Audio LPCM, then the 95 will decode Bitstreams and send them out as LPCM.
--Bob
post #6267 of 16453
Thanks Bob for the great post.

I believe bolsen187 is only using a single HDMI cable and it is currently going from HDMI 1 to the MRX.

He has set the Audio Output of HDMI 1 to be bitstream.

I agree with your thoughts on HDMI 2 for audio if you are running a seperate HDMI cable for Video to your TV. But for his setup this is not necessary and HDMI 1 should be providing him with full surround sound.

He did confirm that the MRX is setup for 'AVR' only so we are not down mixing for the TV. He also confirmed that the MRX is using his Movie profile for Bass Managment which is currently configured for 6.0.

Lastly he did a full factory reset on the OPPO to make sure that any configuration settings from when he had the OPPO connected to his old analog only Receiver were not somehow over looked. This of course brought him to the origional factory Quick Setup menu where he walked through selecting HDMI 1 and Advanced Audio settings. He then reconfirmed that HDMI was set for bit stream.

As best I can tell his settings on his MRX 700 and the OPPO 95 were identical to mine on my MRX 700 and OPPO 93.

Only real difference between our two setups I believe is that mine is a 5.2 config and he has a 6.0. Oh, and I'm running the latest production firmware on my MRX (I believe he is as well) and I'm running the latest Beta Firmware from OPPO, where I believe he is running the origional shipping firmware for the 95.
post #6268 of 16453
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Use the Setup > Audio Format Setup > HDMI Audio setting in the 95 to control whether Bitstream or LPCM output is used when playing Bitstream tracks. If you set HDMI Audio LPCM, then the 95 will decode Bitstreams and send them out as LPCM.
--Bob

Bob, I believe Anthem recommended sending Bitstream... are you recommending sending LPCM?
post #6269 of 16453
I upgraded OPPO to BDP9x-52-0707 which is the latest official release and that solved my problem.Now when I play DTS5.1 the Screen on the Anthem says DTS 3.2. In talking to Anthem this morning he said that any 5'1 running correctly would create a rear channel. This didn't seem right to me and indeed when I ran DTS 5'1 I did not get a back channel.

Tigger,
My back channel got turned way down when I put it on the wall last night. I corrected and upped the center channel and will rerun ARC after supper
post #6270 of 16453
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Originally Posted by Tigger! View Post

Bob, I believe Anthem recommended sending Bitstream... are you recommending sending LPCM?

I don't have an MRX of course, but I personally prefer sending LPCM to my D2v because it means I can leave Secondary Audio ON all the time in the Oppo 93 or 95 without any loss of audio quality. (This would not be true with the 83.)

In the case of the Oppo, it's decoding is known to be done right. Bitstream might be a better choice with other players.

Also, I have a 5.1 speaker configuration, so there's never an issue with possibly wanting to let the Anthem decoded the rear speaker info matrixed into a lossy DTS ES track. The Oppo does not decode that, so you'll get 5.1 input and will need to let, say PLIIx produce the rear channel info.

For SACD listening over HDMI, you should set SACD Output PCM for the D2v since it does not decode DSD digital audio format. I don't know whether the MRX does or not.
--Bob
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