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post #1441 of 1757
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Adam - The carpet installer is coming to measure today and I will certainly ask him what he prefers as I don't know anything about carpet. However, my understanding is that the baseboard should be installed first because it gives the carpet installer a spot to nicely tuck the carpet in. Also, having the baseboard there first prevents the tack strip from being located under the baseboard. If that were to happen, you'd have to remove the baseboards if you wished to change carpet. aka PITA.

Tonight I am building the riser steps (and the step in the equipment room) and then may do a little shopping for baseboard trim if I have time.

Question - Am I making a mistake if I shop for trim at the big boxes? I see a lot of guys are buying it at specialty stores but I don't know if that's necessary...especially because I think I'm going to go with black painted trim rather than stain...
post #1442 of 1757
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Question - Am I making a mistake if I shop for trim at the big boxes? I see a lot of guys are buying it at specialty stores but I don't know if that's necessary...especially because I think I'm going to go with black painted trim rather than stain...

A specialty store will probably have a bigger selection and most likely be cheaper, too. I think we pay a premium for the convenience of having a big box store that's 10 minutes from the house. Being realistic, though, the cost savings for baseboard in one room isn't going to be much money. If you find something you like at a big box store, buy it.
post #1443 of 1757
I would agree with dwightp.

I bought most of my moulding from a specialty store. They did seem to have a bit better quality in most cases than the Big box stores. Prices varied or were comparable in price in most cases. The store is 40 minutes though from my house and Menard's is 5 minutes. The big box stores didn't carry alot of the moulding I wanted without special ordering too. So you'll have to weigh price, location, quality and in-stock.
post #1444 of 1757
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Originally Posted by AirBenji View Post

Question - Am I making a mistake if I shop for trim at the big boxes? I see a lot of guys are buying it at specialty stores but I don't know if that's necessary...especially because I think I'm going to go with black painted trim rather than stain...

I *still* haven't gotten around to adding my trim - when I do, at least for baseboards, I'm thinking of ripping MDF into strips and routing the edges, since baseboards have a very simple profile - to save a few bucks. But I'll shop the big boxes to see what pre-primed is going for first, in case I won't save much doing it myself.
post #1445 of 1757
The thing about buying baseboards instead of trying to make them yourself is that you can get them in 12' - 15' or more lengths so you can have a solid section along the entire wall.
post #1446 of 1757
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The thing about buying baseboards instead of trying to make them yourself is that you can get them in 12' - 15' or more lengths so you can have a solid section along the entire wall.

True - but in my room, I don't have any continuous walls longer than about 8' (side walls broken up by columns)
post #1447 of 1757
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Thanks for all of the input on the trim. I am going to a specialty place to look at doors on Saturday and will see if I can knock the trim off my list at the same time.

The carpet installer came to my house today to measure and I'm really happy with the company so far. The same company did some work in my parents' house a long time ago and they did a great job. The best part is that they also had the lowest pricing.

For others who are looking at carpet, I am paying about $50/sq. yd. including pad and installed. A local competitor's price for the exact same product and pad was $75.50/sq. yd. so be sure to shop around!

Carpet should be installed in 2 weeks!
post #1448 of 1757
What color were you thinking about repainting the walls to? What carpet pattern did you decide on? I know you went through a million patterns and still were tied between two in the end. Oh, and did you receive my PM?
post #1449 of 1757
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Originally Posted by AirBenji View Post

Thanks for all of the input on the trim. I am going to a specialty place to look at doors on Saturday and will see if I can knock the trim off my list at the same time.

The carpet installer came to my house today to measure and I'm really happy with the company so far. The same company did some work in my parents' house a long time ago and they did a great job. The best part is that they also had the lowest pricing.

For others who are looking at carpet, I am paying about $50/sq. yd. including pad and installed. A local competitor's price for the exact same product and pad was $75.50/sq. yd. so be sure to shop around!

Carpet should be installed in 2 weeks!

2 WEEKS!!!!

You better take some time off from work to complete your "before carpet install" list of to do's.....

Glad you finally pulled the trigger on the carpet. Oh and yes do try to get that baseboard in before the carpet install. I will hold the carpet in place much better.

Are you still planing on putting fabric on the walls? Will you use the 1 inch fabric track? If so better add 1" pieces of wood behind your baseboard. If you don't your baseboard will be resessed in your fabric. I will take pics of this on the weekend and update my build thread and you will see the 1" boards I installed. The baseboard will go on top of that.
post #1450 of 1757
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Dylan - I'm up in the air on colors, but I think I may try to tie in some of the carpet colors. Potentially a straw-like color for the walls (but a bit darker) and then a contrasting darker color for the panels. The panels will be the majority of the room so I'm not concerned with having a lighter color in the background.

Michel - You're coming over to help, right?!? I'm not planning on fabric for the entire wall - it will just be panels for now. I could always change that in the future without too much trouble if I decide I want to.

Last night I finished the step in the equipment room. (Am I EVER going to be done with Green Glue?!?!) I also checked out the trim options at Lowe's and wasn't particularly impressed. Tonight I will build the two riser steps in the theater.

I ordered carpet today! It is Stanton Lake Boden in black. I decided to upgrade the pad (at Michel's suggestion - thanks!) and the price was still just shy of $3K...much better than other estimates I received even with a lower quality pad.

Doors
I went to the door shop today. They can do 1.75" solid core flush mount doors (birch) prehung for $200. A few questions on this...

1 - Do I want birch? I'm planning to paint one side and stain the other side. Is birch the right species? They had some other species available but the sales associate recommended birch and didn't give me prices on the others

2 - Is $200 a reasonable price for a solid core prehung door?

3 - I think this is just personal taste but should I get flush mount or some sort of panels on the door? I don't know what they're called but I like the doors that have just two panels (top and bottom) and the top panel has an arch. Like this: http://www.jeld-wen.com/catalog/inte...model=model432. I wonder if they can make a door that has panels on one side and is flush mount on the other...I suppose I could have asked the door guy that question haha...

My concern with a panel door is the acoustic panel sitting on top of it inside the theater. I don't want it to look like a mistake if the acoustic panel doesn't cover the entire design on the door. So I guess I'm leaning towards a simple slab door.
post #1451 of 1757
I bought my 3' door 1.75" thick off the shelf from Lowes. It's just the door though and not prehung. It's a flat slab. It looks to have an oak veneer and then layered mdf in the middle. It's pretty heavy.

I believe Birch is lighter by nature so it may not be what you are looking for when it comes to sound proofing.
post #1452 of 1757
I ordered my theater door from HD. 32" wide, 1.75" thick, solid core, no panels. My thoughts on the panel was that the panels robbed thickness from part of the door, so I went with a slab. The rest of the doors in my basement are the 6 panel doors, painted white. I stained the theater door on both sides and it does a good job 'separating' spaces - it almost feels important going through that door. I ordered with oak jambs/slab veneer, it stained pretty well.

I ended up paying $225 for my door, so I think you are pretty close on the price. I did not order an exterior jamb, because at some point I plan on buying a door seal kit.
post #1453 of 1757
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I have been moving along on my pre-carpet punch list over the past week...

Carpet should be installed around the end of next week. I also finished the riser steps and equipment room step. There is one layer of ply left to add in the equipment room and then I need to cut the vent holes in the riser.

Completed Steps:




I ordered doors today and they should be ready to be picked up on Friday! I don't have a final price yet, but they should be simlar to what others have mentioned. I'm getting two 1.75" thick prehung doors (32" for the equipment room and 36" for the theater entry) for around $500. One will have a 4.75" jamb and the other will have an 8" jamb. Yup, 8". It had to be that big so that I could cover the gap in the double stud wall...and the gap had to be that large due to some obstructions that I didn't want to change. Given the weird sizing and height issues, the pricing seems reasonable to me.

Next steps are to select grills for the riser bass trap ports and a door threshold. I found a place that sells cool granite thresholds, so I am going over there tomorrow. I also picked out a base trim profile. Once I finalize my color scheme, I will be able to paint and install that.

Revised Color Scheme - I'm really on the fence on making a change here. I went to the paint store this weekend and looked at some colors that would compliment the colors in the carpet. I ended up with a sort of tan/gold color for the walls and a chocolate color for the panels. Some brown samples should arrive from GOM today. The lighting is terrible in this pic and the colors are much deeper than they appear, but here's an idea of this option:

I think I like the slate gray color I have on the walls now and I'm going to stick with it. I will either do graphite or black panels with black base trim & crown. Do you all think the color will be too monochromatic if I go with black panels? I think that if I do use black panels I will add some sort of trim around them...




Damaged Chairs - The Theater Seat Store has been great and new chairs are being delivered on Monday. No hassle from them at all - I just sent pics of the damage and new chairs were on the way. I'm very impressed and as long as the replacements are acceptable, I give them a big endorsement based on their service and resolution of the issue.

So it looks like I will have a busy weekend, but I should be ready for carpet in a week!

Punch List Before Carpet:
1 - Build Riser Steps DONE
2 - Cut Vent Holes in Riser
3 - Purchase and Install Doors (Purchased - need to install)
4 - Select New Colors/Repaint (I'll finalize this tonight)
5 - Purchase/Paint/Install Base Trim & Crown Molding (Saturday's project )
post #1454 of 1757
It's obviously difficult to go by the pics for your color schemes, but I don't like the tan. Would black panels with gold trim work? Normally, I'm not that big on a whole lot of gold, but it might add some interest to the panels and tie in with the carpet.

I also like charcoal/black as you mentioned. It WILL be monochromatic, but some people do like that. (I do.) You definitely need adequate lighting to pull it off, which I think you do. This color scheme will make it very theater-y if you know what I mean....not really best for a socializing type space.

....just my thoughts!
post #1455 of 1757
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Trim Finish? - What's the standard for baseboards and crown molding? I'm going to paint mine black this weekend...should I go with a flat finish? Eggshell? Could I go with a gloss or would that look weird? I'm stuck here and would like some opinions if you have them...thanks all!
post #1456 of 1757
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Trim Finish? - What's the standard for baseboards and crown molding? I'm going to paint mine black this weekend...should I go with a flat finish? Eggshell? Could I go with a gloss or would that look weird? I'm stuck here and would like some opinions if you have them...thanks all!

I'm at the same point. I noticed that in lighted conditions a flat black looks actually more gray than something with a sheen. My floor paint has a sheen to it and it looks blacker in my tests.

I did paint some samples with both flat and matte. There wasn't much if any difference that I could see in the two. I just picked up a quart of Benjamin Moore Eggshell black. I think the extra sheen will not only make it look blacker in light, but help hilight the detail in the moulding that gets lost with a flat or matte.

I'm pretty sure I'll be going with egg shell over flat or matte. But I have yet to do a test sample.

Even when I brought the projector in the room, and had a board with the the floorpaint, flat and matte sitting right under the projected screen, the floorpaint with the sheen looked darker and almost even less reflective. My sample was only about a 1'x1' area though for each sample square.
post #1457 of 1757
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I'm at the same point. I noticed that in lighted conditions a flat black looks actually more gray than something with a sheen. My floor paint has a sheen to it and it looks blacker in my tests.

I did paint some samples with both flat and matte. There wasn't much if any difference that I could see in the two. I just picked up a quart of Benjamin Moore Eggshell black. I think the extra sheen will not only make it look blacker in light, but help hilight the detail in the moulding that gets lost with a flat or matte.

I'm pretty sure I'll be going with egg shell over flat or matte. But I have yet to do a test sample.

Even when I brought the projector in the room, and had a board with the the floorpaint, flat and matte sitting right under the projected screen, the floorpaint with the sheen looked darker and almost even less reflective. My sample was only about a 1'x1' area though for each sample square.

Excellent advice as usual - thanks Mario. And I have been using Benjamin Moore paint as well - a little more $ but it is the best paint I have ever used by far.
post #1458 of 1757
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What is the 4th sample from the top/2nd sample from the bottom (the one with the small tan/gold diamonds in a field of black)? Is is Stanton Gentry in Midnight?
post #1459 of 1757
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Spaceman - that one is Stanton hickory in black. Mark Labelle and Jesto each used that one in their theaters but in the berry wine color.
post #1460 of 1757
So when do we get to see pics of the carpet? Have you been given an install date yet?

Will you be able to get all the trim done in time?

Glad your issues with the back seats got sorted out. I assume the new ones are ok.

Have you decided what you are going to do with your door? Paint/stain?
post #1461 of 1757
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Hmmm...looks like I'm going to have a busy week and weekend! I wasn't anywhere near as productive as I had hoped to be this past weekend. But I did at least get most of my materials together. I picked up the doors and all of the trim for the room (minus crown moulding - I still haven't decided on a design for that). I also picked up paint for the trim and will put the first coat on tonight. (I got Benjamin Moore Regal Black in Eggshell.) I forgot to get the grills for the riser vents this weekend so that's also on my list for tonight. I need to call some local places and ask about powder coating them. (Thanks for that idea Michel!)

I don't have an install date for the carpet yet, although I'm hoping to schedule it for early next week!

Theater Chairs - MORE Damage So the new chairs were delivered today. The guys brought them inside and set them up, but when they opened the last box...the same damage as last time. It looked like someone speared it with the forklift. GRRRRRR. So now I have 7 of my 8 chairs. Frustrating. Hopefully Theater Seat Store will be as good about replacing it again this time as they were last time.

I also received some additional fabric samples and now I'm thinking about red/burgundy panels. At this point, I will hold off on this decision until the carpet is installed, but right now I like the two that are up against the wall and on the left below.

post #1462 of 1757
Is that lake boden by stanton? If so what prices are you seeing?
I have a couple stanton pieces here and am leaning towards the lake boden.

The best price installed I have found is 5.63sq/ft with reglular pad. Upgrading to a #10 pad adds another 80cents.
I have found the raw carpet for about 3.50 sq/ft
post #1463 of 1757
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Calimark - Yes, that sounds like pricing pretty similar to what I found. Mine $5.80/sq ft for carpet, pad, and installation, but then I upgraded to the better pad. Not exactly sure how much that added to the cost, but I think about $300.


I painted the trim with the first coat of black last night. I wasn't as happy with the coverage as I had been previously with this brand and then I realized that I had the wrong paint. I asked for Benjamin Moore Aura but got their Regal line instead. No biggie - the paints are similar, but I definitely need two coats. The flash really accentuates the imperfect coverage below...

Action shot:
post #1464 of 1757
I see you still have your pallett collection in your garage!
post #1465 of 1757
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Haha yes! I hate to admit it but they sat there for the entire winter. But now I have a big truck, so they are going to disappear this weekend.
post #1466 of 1757
Wait, did you get a new vehicle? No more Acura?
post #1467 of 1757
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Nah - still have the same car but a friend lives in FL for the winter and I'm hanging onto his GIANT Yukon XL while he's there. I brought home a bunch of full sheets of plywood and drywall in that thing. I'm not an SUV guy, but 4x8' sheets fight right in. (had to tie down the tailgate, but there was only about 8" of drywall in the way.) Then I brought home a fully assembled grill, doors for the theater, the list goes on...

I think I'm changing my opinion - that thing is amazingly handy and I would really like one as a second vehicle.
post #1468 of 1757
Ben, your build looks great. It has been a few weeks since I have been on here and you have made a lot of progress. I have been lurking over at the garage journal checking out garage builds. We'll keep checking in with you!!
post #1469 of 1757
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Thanks Mark! Hope you're well - and I owe you a visit the next time I'm in FL. I will be sure to make it sometime this summer!


Chairs - This time it did not go well. After the second shipment arrived damaged, I called the Theater Seat Store and they said they had the correct chair in stock and would ship a third attempt the next day. That never happened.

I let it go, trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. I finally lost my patience on Monday and called. Result: 1) An authorization for a new chair was never even processed. 2) Over the last week, they have apparently sold out of the chair I need.

The next container is supposed to arrive to them on JUNE 10. ANNNNND they can't even tell me if the left arm chair I need will be in the container. And even if the chair is in the new container "some time" to get it out to me. And a week or two for shipping. So it sounds like I'll get my final chair in JULY...the chair that was in stock when I paid for it on APRIL 3.

Obviously that scenario wasn't working for me. So after some headache on Monday and Tuesday, they miraculously "found" the chair I need in the warehouse and it was supposedly shipping to me yesterday. Hopefully I will finally have a set of undamaged chairs next week.

In other better news, carpet is being installed on Monday! I finished painting the trim a few days ago and am painting the door jambs now - I hope to start installing trim tonight!
post #1470 of 1757
Fingers crossed that your 3rd chair arrives in one piece.

Good luck with your trim install.
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