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post #1561 of 1757
Thread Starter 
Ahhhh - ok gotcha - a very valid point. smile.gif NC isn't that far away...are you coming for the movie next weekend??


I see that we just moved to a new (53rd eek.gif) page here. For anyone who missed it on the last page...I am going to host a movie night/get-together next weekend - anyone who would like to attend is certainly invited!
post #1562 of 1757
I would love to come up and meet you and see your first-class handywork live in-the-flesh, but I won't be able to make it. I pulled up the distance between us on Mapquest and it almost 800 miles, so I don't think I would be driving that anytime soon! I will take a raincheck on the invite for your next event, though. I do travel a lot so I just might be in the Northeast at that time. Thanks again!
post #1563 of 1757
I've thought up a couple ideas for a movie to watch:

X-Men First Class

Why?
  • It's 2.35:1. I'm curious how the anamorphic lens works/looks.
  • It's got BASS to show off his DTS 10 (I'm so excited)
  • It's got plenty of eye candy for the Runco to show off.
  • It's a decent movie with some good actors (Michael Fassbender is the man tongue.gif)
  • And an added bonus to me; I haven't seen it since theaters biggrin.gif


Or, and for similar reasons above:

Rise of the Planet of the Apes

Tron: Legacy (Though there are interchangeable scenes that go from 2.35:1 to 1.78:1. Don't think we can use the lens here.)

I have these titles and can bring them. I'm also a trailer junkie and can set up some trailers before the movie too.

Any other thoughts?
post #1564 of 1757
Thread Starter 
Ok so not too much actual construction has taken place recently, but I have actually made quite a bit of progress.

First and most importantly, iRule is now WORKING with ALL of my devices! biggrin.gif I finally had a few hours to sit down and really pay attention it. iRule is actually really intuitive and simple to use once you get the hang of connecting the devices through the gateways. I am really happy with the remote and the automation possibilities are extremely cool.

I have been trying to clean up the basement and finish up some loose ends in the theater and I have a lot of leftover scrap materials...

I made some boxes to serve as L/R speaker stands so that I can get the tweeters at the midline of the screen and level with the center speaker. I haven't filled them with sand yet but they're beefy (my speakers have a big footprint and need to be raised 12"). I think they're going to weigh in at about 175lbs. each and I'm enlisting Andreas to help get them positioned this weekend. smile.gif Sorry - I guess I forgot to take pics of them...but I SWEAR it happened. redface.gif

Then I started cleaning. I had very few tools when I started this project. I'm sure my inventory is still really meager compared to most everyone else here, but I needed a place to store some stuff other than the basement floor and an old coffee table. So I found my favorite type of plans on familyhandyman.com (aka the free kind of plans), gathered my leftover materials, and built my first ever workbench. I had enough 2x4 scraps to make the entire frame. Here's what I had to buy:

Plywood top: $15
Fluorescent Shop Light: $20
Bulbs for Light: $8
Handy Dandy Pegboard Organizer Kit: $11
Materials total: $54

So I cut a bunch of sticks to size (some of them are black from being used in the screen wall in my temp theater):

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Put the frame together, added plywood, pegboard and tools, and voila! Workbench and tool storage:

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Unfortunately, one of my upcoming weekend projects is to tape and paint the wall in the pic above. I'm sooooo over taping. rolleyes.gif
post #1565 of 1757
Work bench looks awesome. I'll help you lift those bad boys. I was lifting the CNC for practice today.
post #1566 of 1757
Really nice job Benji!
post #1567 of 1757
Love the workbench Ben! Fantastic job.
post #1568 of 1757
I just wanted to comment about our little meet that took place last weekend. Ben was nice enough to have Andreas and I over to watch a movie and check out the theater. We ended up watching X-Men: First Class which was pretty impressive with his system. This was my first time being able to check out an anamorphic lens from Panamorph. Even though I have the same projector the anamorphic lens made the experience so much better. Coupled with the SMX screen he had I was blown away. I was a little worried about the lens making the picture soft but I was surprised because I didn't really see a difference. This is something I'm going to definitely invest in once I get the appropriate screen and ditch my 1.78:1. The DTS-10 also impressed me a lot. It really hits hard down low. I haven't really had a lot of time to play with my Elemental Designs A7s-450 but I could tell it had a lot more punch below 20hertz. I wish I could go back and get the DTS-10 instead of the eD sub, sigh... Overall it was a really cool experiencing all this for the first time.

Oh, and Ben was even nice enough to make us popcorn and share his beer. biggrin.gif
post #1569 of 1757
Thread Starter 
Hi Dylan - I'm glad you guys were able to make it and that you had a good time. I also initially thought the lens might cause a noticeable decrease in sharpness, but I have been really pleasantly surprised. I also gave it a solid cleaning this week...some dust had accumulated because I did quite a bit of work around the screen after I put the lens up. I wish I had done that before this past weekend because I think it made a noticeable difference in PQ. You guys will have to stop by again sometime for a second look.

In other news, I am making some (minimal) progress, although I'm enjoying the summer now and not pushing too hard to get much done. It is really nice to watch movies when I feel like it and to work when I feel like it. I have cut the remainder of the baseboard trim for around the front panels...just need to paint and install.

I also ordered a sample of the crown molding I think I like from invitinghome.com. (Thanks for the suggestion TMcG!) It will be mostly black, but I may experiment with painting the bottom surfaces in the gray room color to show the step detail a bit...we'll see. Here are some pics:

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p.s. - This is my 1,000th post. Whoa! smile.gif
post #1570 of 1757
Ben, thanks again for inviting us. Your theater came out great with the image and sound being equally impressive. Can't wait for the side sound panels to go up so we can see what that does to the sound. I'll have to bring over my sound and/or image calibration stuff someday when we both feel motivated. wink.gif
post #1571 of 1757
Thread Starter 
Crown molding is ordered and on its way to me. smile.gif

I received the sample over the weekend and I really like it. I have been playing around with some different paint ideas and I think I have it figured out now...pics of the final result tomorrow.

Next up - Rope Lights!
I have had my eye on these LED lights for a while now: http://www.birddogdistributing.com/Cool-White-Rope-Light/

However, I don't know much about electricity and I'm wondering whether I should buy the 12V or the 120V. Can anyone shed light on this for me? (Yes, pun intended. smile.gif) I'm planning to get the 120V I guess because it specifically says that they can be hardwired/plugged into an outlet. Then again, all of the other lights in the HT are 12V. Looks like I may need to look into this a bit more.

I have also been thinking about LED's that change color but I haven't been able to find any that can be hardwired and dimmed or plugged into a dimmable outlet. (I want to dim them as one zone of my Grafik Eye.) Is anyone aware of dimmable color changers?

Thanks!
post #1572 of 1757
You just hit the jackpot. I have been quietly compiling the mega-encyclopedia of all these different lighting systems and what you can use with what. I am headed to happy hour now to meet a few friends, but I will try to post here today or tomorrow.

I'm glad you liked the molding! I thought is was sharp, too. Can't wait to see your painting scheme.
post #1573 of 1757
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

I have been quietly compiling the mega-encyclopedia of all these different lighting systems and what you can use with what.

Looking forward to seeing that. Will you post it in it's own thread so it's easy to find?
post #1574 of 1757
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Looking forward to seeing that. Will you post it in it's own thread so it's easy to find?

You missed the important part of his post: smile.gif Happy Hour(s) smile.gif


TMcG - thanks, looking forward to it!
post #1575 of 1757
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Originally Posted by AirBenji View Post

However, I don't know much about electricity and I'm wondering whether I should buy the 12V or the 120V. Can anyone shed light on this for me? (Yes, pun intended. smile.gif) I'm planning to get the 120V I guess because it specifically says that they can be hardwired/plugged into an outlet. Then again, all of the other lights in the HT are 12V. Looks like I may need to look into this a bit more.

Thanks!

120v is better for general lighting because it doesn't need transformers.
post #1576 of 1757
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Originally Posted by AirBenji View Post

Next up - Rope Lights!
I have had my eye on these LED lights for a while now: http://www.birddogdistributing.com/Cool-White-Rope-Light/
However, I don't know much about electricity and I'm wondering whether I should buy the 12V or the 120V. Can anyone shed light on this for me? (Yes, pun intended. smile.gif) I'm planning to get the 120V I guess because it specifically says that they can be hardwired/plugged into an outlet. Then again, all of the other lights in the HT are 12V. Looks like I may need to look into this a bit more.
I have also been thinking about LED's that change color but I haven't been able to find any that can be hardwired and dimmed or plugged into a dimmable outlet. (I want to dim them as one zone of my Grafik Eye.) Is anyone aware of dimmable color changers?
Thanks!

Well, it seems my work day won't be over for quite some time, but here is the "Cliff's Notes" version on the lighting:
[*} The cool white rope light that you have your eye on can either be hard-wired to your lighting zone (dimmer) or plugged into a dedicated electrical receptacle attached to the dimmer (Grafik Eye, I assume?) Control of this lighting zone would obviously be through the Grafik Eye via IR or RS-232. The same rope light is also available in color-changing RGB LED, but you have no control over the sequence / selection of colors - they keep cycling through the same color changing program. Control of the intensity and on/off would be through the Grafik Eye, just like the cool white rope light.
[*] The RGB LED light strips must be connected to a 12v transformer plugged into a non-dimmed 120v outlet. Rudimentary control is available with credit-card sized RF and IR remotes which allow selection of a solid color, raise/lower intensity, on/off/ cycling of colors, etc. Here is an example of a total kit you can pick up for $22 delivered which includes everything you need to play around and experiment with: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5M-SMD-5050-LED-Strips-Lights-300-Leds-RGB-Flexible-Free-44-IR-Remote-Controller-/160841629458?pt=US_Car_Lighting&hash=item2572e87f12#ht_3275wt_1397 This is obviously not an ideal solution for home theater since most folks need more than 5m of lights and want MUCH more robust control. So here is where is starts to get more complicated and where I have spent most of my effort researching.

In planning my Stonewater Cinema (I know, I know....I still haven't started the thread (or the theater) I want to have a few different areas to use RGB LED lights with my Savant control system (www.savantav.com). I will have two lighted ceiling coves at 42 linear feet each. I will have 8 columns using a polymer panel made to look like Alabaster stone which is translucent and can be backlit. And I have toyed with the idea of using the lights on the exterior of the theater door and behind some floating acoustic wall panels inside the theater to emit a nice, steady glow. To sum it all up, in using these RGB LED strip lights in multiple areas (zones) and many different lengths the question becomes how I can get lighting to all of these individual areas with the right amount of power while making it very easy to control and even allowing for presets. And most importantly - how do I do it all economically?

I have to go for now, but there are great companies like Wiedamark (http://www.wiedamark.com/ledstriplighting.aspx), iGlo (http://www.igloledset.com/buy/), Stewart Filmscreen (http://www.stewartfilmscreen.com/residential/products/special_applications/LED/LED_accent_lighting_residential.html), City Theatrical (http://www.citytheatrical.com/), Numinus (http://www.numinus.com/index.html) and others that make / sell sophisticated IP-based controllers that will easily manage multiple RGB LED lighting zones and integrate with your home theater automation system. Features and prices vary greatly, fyi. This is the information Spaceman rightly points out that I should put in a new master thread on the subject. Getting the power supplies correct, taking into account resistance loss, types of wires that can be used to "jump" from strip light to strip light, etc. can all be discussed and information shared.

Let me know where your head is at with this stuff in terms of how many linear feet you are looking to use, how important is integration with your iRule control system, what power you have available to this lighting and I will cherry pick from my information and give you some strong recommendations on starting points.
post #1577 of 1757
Ben, as I mentioned to you earlier. I have those RGB LED strips (100 feet worth) and they have the remotes/power supply/controllers. Initially I plan to set the color and intensity with the remotes and just use a switch to turn them on and off. I plan on making a controller for the lights so I can control them through my PC or Touchcontrol (iPod/iPad remote software). I have a couple of other electronic/PCB projects that I have been learning the skills for this sort of thing. wink.gif
post #1578 of 1757
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Originally Posted by AndreasMergner View Post

I plan on making a controller for the lights so I can control them through my PC or Touchcontrol (iPod/iPad remote software). I have a couple of other electronic/PCB projects that I have been learning the skills for this sort of thing. wink.gif

That's great, but for us mere mortals we must go with the commercially available control options. biggrin.gif

Using a credit card remote or switch to get the lights on/off does not appeal to me personally in terms of control flexibility and ease of use (i.e wife's ease of use) - that is why I am striving to find an economical IP-based solution that will allow me full control of these RGB LED zones.
post #1579 of 1757
I was just mentioning it to Ben because he is only 15 minutes away from me. I might be able to come up with something for both of us if his needs parallels mine. I can't do a totally custom solution for him because I just don't have the time to do that. If you want full control (RGB, dimming, flash, cycling) of multiple sets of RGB LEDs, I can't imagine it will be inexpensive, but it depends on what your definition of that is.

If you only need dimming over 5 seconds, let's say when turned off or on from a Grafik Eye and a separate way to set the color, I think I could do that Ben.
post #1580 of 1757
No, I know. It is very impressive that you have the skills and aptitude to custom-engineer a solution. Some of the 12 and 24 channel controllers I have come across are around $300 - which is good. But they also use DMX control (a lighting industry standard), which is bad when you have Savant that A) doesn't control DMX and B) doesn't have an appropriate interface or GUI for the control even if it could speak DMX. There are code translators, or course, but it starts to get a bit messy. The least expensive would be to learn the IR codes from the credit card remote of the RGB / LED kit and have a control system with discrete IR output to adjust certain zones of the RGB / LED, essentially replicating the control buttons on the remote for each zone. To make it convenient and easily integrated with the automation system, that is what I am sourcing now.

I found a clearing house of Philips Color Kinetics products, specifically their iColor Flex SLX product which can be used for advanced cove lighting. The nice thing about Color Kinetics is that most of their controllers can receiver either IP or DMX commands and then issue all the DMX commands for robust control, plus they have robust interfaces and are known to be reliable. At $875 per 15' strand, I am out...but clearing at $125 per strand .....I am evaluating.
post #1581 of 1757
Sounds like you are on the right track with the Color Kinetic product. Seems to fit your needs at a moderate price.

I guess it is a philosophical question of whether you really need the color selection and modes on your master remote. I would not want to be in a room with anything other than a solid color or maybe a very slow/subtle color change...and that is only when I wasn't watching a movie. If you want a dance/club atmosphere then that is another story. Turning the lights on and off by remote is reasonable and even necessary. Dimming is nice to have on remote. Unless you are changing the color every day or more, I don't see remote control of that worth a few hundred dollars unless you are not on a budget. I mean, you do have to get off your seat to get a drink, popcorn, blanket, let guests into the house, etc... no remote for those, but somehow we manage. Ok, so you could get someone to do those things for you, but at some point the cost outweighs the convenience.

Not meant to discourage...I just don't know what Ben's needs are.
post #1582 of 1757
Agreed - most of the time it would be a solid color or a slow roll of solid colors - and I even see this as part of the movie "pre-show" and not during the movie itself. And it is not about being lazy, it is all about the automated sequence (i.e. activity scenes) and ease of use for anyone who picks up the remote to use the room. The way I see this lighting being used is mimicking the incandescent (or warm LED) lights in the room when I want or rolling through colored accents any time I call for it either directly or by scene selection. But with RGB LEDs planned for the ceiling cove, inside 8 columns, on the theater door and potentially even behind some "floating" acoustical treatments, it begins to be much harder to control using the simpler controls (Credit Card sized IR remotes or RF remotes) and naturally forces my hand into a controller that will be able to handle and easily manage a number of different lighting zones. And if I were to do color rolls I would need some way to have all of these different lighting loads synchronized so I don't end up with a rainbow of different colors rolling over at different times. The ONLY way to accomplish this is through a more advanced controller which will hopefully be IP-based to easily integrate with my automation system.

Here's a sample video of the iColor Flex SLX light strip. You are right - the ability to control each individual light in every aspect means that you could in-fact have your own bonafied dance club atmosphere in your theater. Maybe I'll start hosting some bachelor parties with female entertainment rolleyes.gif

Right around 4:00 there are some cool but completely nonsensical effects, like the random strobe, color chasing and the like.
post #1583 of 1757
Thread Starter 
Wow - thank you for all of that information guys. Very helpful and informative. After thinking it over, I decided to go the easy route. The cool white lights from Birddog are on their way to me. smile.gif

Now I need to go talk to the plumber about replacing the hot water heater that crapped out last night. GRRRR. mad.gifmad.gif
post #1584 of 1757
Wuss. I only say that in jest because I don't want your girlfriend coming over and kicking my butt. wink.gif

I will have 13 white spandex wall panels backlit with an upper and lower row of LEDs for two channels or more of lighting plus overhead RGB LEDs (probably always white) over two rows of seating...so I may have four sets of lights too if I don't think about controlling each of the panels individually. I should have most of these done this weekend with a little luck!
post #1585 of 1757
Thread Starter 
Ha - fair enough Andreas...I guess I deserved that one. smile.gif I just didn't have the energy to get into researching and fiddling with this one. And these Birddog lights come at the recommendation of michelmia and others, so I hope they'll be good.


So here is a pic of my painted sample molding. I'm not sure I like it very much. I have still been fiddling with colors for the acoustic panels and I think I may replace the gray center section here with a stripe that's the color of the panels.

I think I have the panel colors down to three color families: Red, Gray (just a shade darker than the wall color), or Straw (to match the pattern in the carpet). I'm a little concerned that straw colored panels will make the room too light, but it's pretty dark right now...

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Claret Accent Red:
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Straw:
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Wolf:
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Graphite:
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I still like a few of the patterned fabrics, but I'm not sure I want to get into that with my carpet pattern...
post #1586 of 1757
Ben, you can't make a wrong choice -- it is your theater! I'm not sure what I think of the crown molding paint. There is something interesting about it though. How about going with a darker grey in the center? ...or a darker grey top and bottom and black in the center?
post #1587 of 1757
Thread Starter 
Crown molding has arrived and looks great. I'm in the process of painting it now and I like the way it's coming out.

I wish I could say the same for the rope lights. The ones I received didn't work. mad.gif I'll have more on this situation once it is resolved, but for now I'm back to square one on my rope lighting search.

However, I did finally make a decision on the panel fabric colors. There will be five panels on each wall - they will be alternating Claret Accent Red (FR701) and Elephant Gray (Framework) with black trim. I'm really excited to get going on these! smile.gif
post #1588 of 1757
So what is your new painting scheme for the crown look like or are you going to keep us all in suspense?? biggrin.gif
post #1589 of 1757
Thread Starter 
Eh, I'm being boring on the molding redface.gif and keeping it as it is in the pic above. I decided that I like the simple look and don't want to introduce more stuff.

New lights are on the way...this time from 1000bulbs.com. Hopefully this will be a better experience and I will have molding up by the end of the weekend. smile.gif
post #1590 of 1757
Thread Starter 
I have been plugging away at painting the crown molding and my new rope lights should be delivered today. Other than that, not too much theater building going on lately...the nice weather has just been too tempting. But I thought I would throw something else in for those who are interested...it is actually a bit of a theater detractor (time-wise and at the piggy bank smile.gif) but hopefully it will help to counteract some of the popcorn and Junior Mints I have been consuming non-stop for two months!

The GAF likes biking and has been telling me I should try it. I had a mountain bike in high school but that's it...we went for a ride last weekend and I had a really good time, so...new toy for me. I saw the flat black paint on this bike and it made me think home theater...that was the beginning of the end. smile.gif

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It's no race bike, but I hope it will be a good quality starter for me to figure out if this is something I can get into. And even though I didn't get the full carbon frame, once you add pedals, shoes, computer, and a bunch of other shenanigans, biking with the GAF wasn't a cheap date! smile.gif She actually has the same bike but in carbon...

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