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post #1711 of 1732
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Hmmmm I think I like that idea much better. Thanks TMcG!
post #1712 of 1732
No problem, I'll just add it to your tab...biggrin.gif

If I were to go back and revise a bit, I meant to send you this link which is from the same tile company only with a smooth surface and not the small texture "coins" in the other surface I linked in my previous post: http://www.rubberflooringinc.com/garage/smooth-flex-tiles.html I think the Graphite color goes well with your color scheme....
post #1713 of 1732
Thread Starter 
Ha funny that you should say that - I was looking at those online earlier.

New tiles on the way to me! (crazy lead time though...4-20 business days?!)

Oh, I ordered black. C'mon, I can't take ALLLLL of your recommendations. tongue.gif
post #1714 of 1732
You ordered black??? UNSUBSCRIBED!! biggrin.gif
post #1715 of 1732
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A month without a post here...wow! I am happy to say that I have been using and enjoying the theater at least three times per week since my last update. The tiles for the equipment room arrived a while back but I haven't had the motivation to unhook all of the gear and remove it in order to install them. I have also been back on the road bike for a few weeks...loving that new hobby! (And hopefully I'm getting in slightly better shape too...I certainly have had spaghetti legs a lot lately. rolleyes.gif)

The entrance to my theater has been a sight for sore eyes for quite a while, so it is time to spruce that up. I want to add some columns and to get my poster frames mounted in their final spot. While I'm at it, I want to automate the poster frames so they turn on and off automatically. (The power supplies get a bit hot if they're on for a long time, so I want to prevent accidentally leaving them on.)

This pic shows where I started from. I had to move a duct from inside the theater to just outside it. I really wanted to do something else with this, but unfortunately there were just no good options. So I just decided to build a soffit. The poster frames will go on this wall. You can also see here that the HT door frame is still incomplete...




Drop ceilings are a gigantic pain to take apart (when you're trying to save a portion at least). Soffit framed and taping started...




Then I added some outlets for the poster frames (well actually my electrician did it...but I watched and learned....and paid.) The closest outlet in the pic will be used for LED lights inside the columns I plan to build around the theater entry door. Soffit taping also complete here...




Prime and paint...




Poster frames installed. There is an occupancy sensor installed near the far door in this picture (which faces the stairs down into the basement). The sensor controls an outlet behind the door. Power supplies are plugged into the outlet and connected to romex running through the wall to the frame location.




Then I finished the door frame. I added the other half of the split jamb and a small piece of molding to connect the two. Per Ted's instructions, the molding is nailed on one side and connected only with SilenSeal on the other to prevent vibration from entering into the other half of the double stud wall.




Now time for some entrance columns...I am very height limited here so there will just be a simple curved header connecting the two columns over the door. I made my first attempt at a mock-up last night. There will be frosted glass in the window and RGB LED lights behind the glass:




I think I will make the window a little larger by lowering the "sill" down a bit closer to the carpet. I want to keep them clean and modern looking, but I will need to add a bit of trim on the top and bottom. I am thinking something like the pic below (maybe with cove molding at the top of each level...does anyone have suggestions for trim? Mods to the column in general? Thanks!

post #1716 of 1732
Posters look sharp, and nice work all around.

For the columns, I think I would consider a narrower design, given the overall proportions of the door.
post #1717 of 1732
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Thanks Fred! Hmmm yes - a very good point on the columns. I have been thinking the same thing and was wondering if others would make that comment. I picked up some 1x2's to try instead of the 1x3's in the pic, but haven't mocked them up yet. I will also try making the window an inch or two thinner (it is 5.5" wide now).

Other comments? (Thanks!)
post #1718 of 1732
I actually like the scale of the columns, but will reserve final judgment until you mock up the column with the skinnier stock. My only comment would be to move the columns a bit further out to the side of the door - maybe just 3-5 inches - so the columns aren't crowding the edges of the door so much. May also help visually with scale.
post #1719 of 1732
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I tried a bunch of different mock-ups last night but kept coming back to the original one I posted yesterday or something very close to it. In the pic below, the column on the right is my first attempt and the one on the left has a slightly larger (taller but same width) window. I think I am going to go with the design on the right.




Now on to the marquee to connect the two columns at the top. I have been planning on a simple 1.5" thick piece to tuck betwen the top of the left column and the bottom of that annoying soffit. But then I started thinking that I could hide part of the soffit by extending the marquee out into the room a bit farther and then all the way up to the ceiling. So my new plan is something like what's below. (If it comes out half that nicely, I'll be pretty darn excited!)

post #1720 of 1732
I'm going to stick with my original opinion and tell you that I think the scale looks fine but that I would move the columns away from the edge of the door trim a number of inches for aesthetic reasons, similar to the Riveredge Cinema photo. By the way, where did you get that photo? Is there a link to a build thread here on the Forum for this theater? I'd be interested to see the whole theater for sure.

And I like your plan to extend the marquee to the ceiling and pull it a bit further into the room. To be honest, that's what I had envisioned in my head what you were going to be doing when you first mentioned it in a prior post. cool.gif
post #1721 of 1732
I second pushing the columns out some and maybe filling in the gap with some wider trim around the door similar to the Bacon Race Theater.
post #1722 of 1732
In my search for the Riveredge Cinema I stumbled across this: http://theaterrooms.com/kenwood.html. Thought I would share just in case you wanted to go with the custom pre-fab route for the overhead marquee vs. DIY.
post #1723 of 1732
Thread Starter 
Thanks for that link TMcG - and I'm sorry I never responded yesterday. I guess I wrote a response but never submitted it. redface.gif Anyway, I found that Riveredge Theater pic in a google search. I think it was a search for "home theater marquee".

In doing some more planning and measuring, I am not sure I have the space for something that elaborate above my door. I really only have 6" to work with, so I may scale this project back a bit and just do a simple curve with some 4" letters and no backlighting. Nothing set in stone yet, but I'm afraid it will look like I have to much going on in that small space.

In other news, I got a new toy last night...a Bosch router to be exact. My first router, and I spent the night routing everything in sight. smile.gif What a cool tool! I rabbeted the back of the column window to make a drop-in space for the acrylic I ordered. Unfortunately I cracked the acrylic while cutting it to size. That's ok though...it looked a little cheesy anyway - I need to go with frosted glass in those windows. I talked to a local glass company and the price quote was very reasonable.

Next up...router table. I think I am just going to get the Bosch benchtop model...I suppose I could build one, but I am looking for a break from DIY once this marquee project is done.
post #1724 of 1732

Your theater entrance is looking great.  It is amazing what can be accomplished when you have the freedom to design and build it yourself.  Are you thinking of having metal letters cut for the marquee?  Also, I would recommend getting tempered glass for the columns.  It will be much safer if someone bumps one of the columns and breaks the glass.  Non tempered glass will turn into large shards that will easily cut someone.

 

Nick

post #1725 of 1732
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Thanks Nick! I'm glad you think will be cool...I haven't been feeling very creative so far and I'm afraid of ending up with a big boring blob. I'm sure it will come together eventually, but right now my ideas aren't feeling very coherent. That's ok though...input from the AVS crowd helps a ton - we seem to keep each other on the right track. smile.gif
post #1726 of 1732
Lurking along and watching what you come up with - I still have a todo to create some kind of entrance to my HT as well, although in my case it's an entrance from outdoors, so will incorporate some stonework. So lead the way... ;-)
post #1727 of 1732
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Thanks Brad! I have been brainstorming a lot on this over the last few days. It is much like two years ago when I stood in an empty basement and mumbled to myself incessantly...then made some theater sound effects and went about my evening. Now I just stand outside the theater door and do the same thing. rolleyes.gif

Unfortunately this limited ceiling height is really a bugger - I am still wrestling with it. To be continued...
post #1728 of 1732
What a great thread, closing on a house in two weeks with a full unfinished basement a lot like yours.. very long and 18 feet wide. wondered what to do about insulating the walls... now i know smile.gif
I am stealing so many idea from this thread!! and others smile.gif
post #1729 of 1732
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Thanks wyowolf. Glad you are finding it useful. I have been meaning to insert an index in the first post, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Take as many ideas as you like - I know I borrowed my share of mine! smile.gif
post #1730 of 1732
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Ok need a little advice please... smile.gif

I think I have a good final plan for the entrance but need a little help in implementing it. Specifically, what wood should I use to make the bottom of the marquee?

I'm going to go for something like BigmouthinDC's and Dcostanza's entrances (pics below...hope no one is offended that I borrowed them). But the problem is that I don't have the ceiling height to do lights underneath like they did. So I will use the router to make some recesses in the bottom panel and then insert LED strip lights. I have been playing around with this and it actually works quite well. The LEDs are only visible if you stand directly underneath the marquee. I could even drill all the way through the bottom panel and place the LEDs farther back, making them less visible.

I'm planning to paint the entrance rather than stain it. The columns are poplar. I thought about using birch ply, but recesses in the ply might not look so hot if the layers are lit up by the LEDs. Should I use MDF? I thought about that, but I would like to screw the face of the marquee (which will be 1/4" ply) into the side of this bottom panel and I know MDF can split pretty easily if you screw into the side of it. I guess another option is to join a few poplar 1x12's together using the Kreg jig. Would that work?

Thanks all - I don't know enough about these different options and really appreciate your help! Pics of the plan are below...

This is a mockup of the panel I'm concerned about (cardboard for now)...
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Here is a groove in some scrap wood with the LEDs inserted...
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Here is Dcostanza's amazing entrance:
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And of course, Big's beautiful marquee...
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post #1731 of 1732
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Originally Posted by AirBenji View Post

Specifically, what wood should I use to make the bottom of the marquee?

But the problem is that I don't have the ceiling height to do lights underneath like they did. So I will use the router to make some recesses in the bottom panel and then insert LED strip lights. I have been playing around with this and it actually works quite well. The LEDs are only visible if you stand directly underneath the marquee. I could even drill all the way through the bottom panel and place the LEDs farther back, making them less visible.

I'm planning to paint the entrance rather than stain it. The columns are poplar. I thought about using birch ply, but recesses in the ply might not look so hot if the layers are lit up by the LEDs. Should I use MDF? I thought about that, but I would like to screw the face of the marquee (which will be 1/4" ply) into the side of this bottom panel and I know MDF can split pretty easily if you screw into the side of it. I guess another option is to join a few poplar 1x12's together using the Kreg jig. Would that work?

You should be able to take a nice piece of A/C or furniture grade plywood, give it a light sand with a random orbital sander, and then prime and paint with no problems. MDF would also work, but the primer should be oil-based to avoid any water uptake, especially on the cut edges. I'd probably do the MDF because it is cheaper and an easier material to work with, considering the tear-out potential with plywood and routering.

As for affixing 1/4" ply to the front....construction adhesive and either 16 or 18 gauge finish nails will easily give you the look you want without screws and can be shot directly into the side of the MDF.

Just curious....had you considered potentially doing something with the LED lighting on the face (where the other guys put their lettering) instead of shooting down to mimic rows of lights? To that end, or even for your LED strip downlight scenario, I found a company called Sensitile whose products I will be using with LED strip lighting on my theater door itself. They make clear acrylic panels that are specifically designed to be edge-lit by LED lighting and they have some unbelievably cool styles. I have some of their samples and the material is incredible. Maybe something to consider for your project. I bet you could even come up with a design that would use their sample-sized pieces into a cool little design. The nicest thing is that these are edge-lit which solves your problem of hiding the LEDs. As a side-note, if you decide to glam up your front entrance even more with a half moon of some sparkly floor tile, they also make a concrete tile in a bunch of different colors that has built-in LEDs: http://www.sensitile.com/product/terrazzo-lumina and http://www.sensitile.com/product/sensitile-terrazzo

Your mock-up looks great, by the way!
post #1732 of 1732
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Ok thanks for your input TMcG...I guess I will give it a try with the MDF.

Wow that sensitile stuff looks amazing! I am going to order a few samples and see what happens...
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