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Amp for Denon 4311CI to get the extra 2 channels

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
What amps are recommended to power two extra channels for a Denon 4311CI to get the full 11 channels? I am guessing it wouldn't need to be anything special as it should only be driving two channels, but I have never had an 11.x setup and never owned an amp before.
post #2 of 15
Emotiva XPA-2, $709 shipped right now. Use it to power your mains. That's what I do.
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
I'm looking for a much cheaper alternative if at all possible. I am happy with the output of my mains with my denon 1909 currently with polk 70's as mains, so I just really need it to output the rears.
post #4 of 15
Understood.

Emotiva UPA-2. $329 shipped.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
That's more around the price I was looking for, thanks
post #6 of 15
Check craigslist, ebay for an Audiosource.

I'm going to power the heights with two unused channels from my HK garage receiver.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
Man, you really got me thinking on this now!

If I were to power the front left, right, and center with an amp, how will that work with distribution of the rest of my speakers? Will those three speakers completely overpower my heights, wides, and surrounds? I could get the 5 channel amp and do that, and that would work out well!

But, if it will sound like crap, then I would get a 7 channel one, and a 2 channel one for the rears...2 of the speakers wouldn't have any amplification at all.
post #8 of 15
Keep in mind that the only way to get power to all 11 channels is either in the 11CH mode(ie using a 2CH amp for either the Front L/R or Front Height and the internal amps for the other 9 channels) or Pre-Amp mode (external amps required for all 11 channels).
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by dzirkelb View Post

Man, you really got me thinking on this now!

If I were to power the front left, right, and center with an amp, how will that work with distribution of the rest of my speakers? Will those three speakers completely overpower my heights, wides, and surrounds? I could get the 5 channel amp and do that, and that would work out well!

But, if it will sound like crap, then I would get a 7 channel one, and a 2 channel one for the rears...2 of the speakers wouldn't have any amplification at all.

If you already get loud enough without an amp, then adding an amp for your front 3 channels won't cause a problem. You will, of course, calibrate the system so that the front 3 are in proper balance with the rest of the system. Then you just have more (presumably) headroom in the important front 3. Plus, you've removed load from the receiver so it should be able to get more clean power to the rest of the chanels, if needed.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Keep in mind that the only way to get power to all 11 channels is either in the 11CH mode(ie using a 2CH amp for either the Front L/R or Front Height and the internal amps for the other 9 channels) or Pre-Amp mode (external amps required for all 11 channels).

Based on this point, I think for now I will go with a 2 channel amp, and go from there. Reason being is I can add a 9 channel amp later and go to pre-amp mode, but for now, I will just power the additional speakers.

Which speakers do I have the option of powering with the amp for 11 channels? If all, what is the recommended 2 to power? Left and Right?
post #11 of 15
I noted in my previous post ... either Front L/R or Front Height. As Noah Katz mentioned he plans on powering the front heights. Depends on how powerful the amp is whether it makes a difference or not to power the front mains. If you're just going to pick up a used 2CH stereo receiver (~$50) then the front heights. If you're going to pick up an EMO XPA-2 then the front mains.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
Dumb question, but how do you power two speakers using a 2ch stereo receiver? I have heard people talking about doing that, but I do not know how it is done.

I would probably just power the heights. And, I would more than likely use my Denon 1909 to start until I can find a cheap receiver to take its place and sell the 1909, but I have no idea on how to set that up.

Thanks for all of your help, this is all foreign to me. I wasn't sure if you meant heights / fronts just because that is what is recommended or that is all that can be done, now I see that is all that can be done, thanks.
post #13 of 15
If you are happy with your 1909 power levels then my .02 would be to buy cheap, used 2ch amp off craigslist or eBay and use it for your front heights. Even if it is ugly you can just tuck it out of the way. Later if your speakers require it, you can dump the money into a 2 or 3ch separate to get more power to your fronts.

There are tons of very decent solid state 2 channel amps from 90's style rack systems out there to be found for $20-$50 that will keep up with the 4311 amps just fine. Yamaha and Kenwood are probably the most common, but once you start looking you can find all sorts of H/K's, Adcoms, NAD's, etc. Most of them will be rated in the 75 - 125wpc range and will match the Denon amps just fine. Some of them can be very understated and decent looking, if not just tuck it out of sight.
post #14 of 15
Just connect an RCA red/white cable from the Front Height pre-outs on the 4311 to the Front L/R EXT IN on the 1909. Then set the 1909 source to EXT IN. Then wire your front heighs to the Front L/R speaker posts on the 1909 and you're good to go. You'll want to run AUTO SETUP on the 4311 each time you add more speakers while building up to the 11 speakers.
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
Very cool, thanks jdsmoothie and Slare! I'll probably just look for a cheap amp on craigslist to start, as recommended, and go from there.
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