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post #1411 of 1484
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

If you do, maybe we can hit a Kings (NHL) game.

Well my last NHL game was while on vaction in Florida last year to see the TB Lightening with my little guy....ticket prices here come at a hefty premium that I'm not willing to pay...Fwiw around here the Leafs are on the same level as the Lakers if that tells you anything....catching a game would be really sweet...biggrin.gif
post #1412 of 1484
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Originally Posted by Ascend View Post

Hi Ricardo,

I will address a few of your comments...
That is one of my points, Ricardo... Many people do feel that our Sierra-1 can compete with speakers at those price points and their opinions should be respected, as should yours. The only reason I bothered to respond in the first place is that you made that rather disparaging remark regarding the Sierra-1 woofer, and stated it in such a way that it came across as fact, where the actual facts regarding the matter are quite different than what is actually your opinion... BTW, the post you responded to did specifically mention "bookshelf" speakers -- of which your $2K/pair SongTowers are far from being a bookshelf speaker, thus making your comment a moot point.

Well, if you have read the post correctly, i have mentioned the salk surround in the first place at post number 1392. But it doesnt matter if it is a $2000 bookshelves or $2000 tower, a bookshelf speaker can be made to be a tower and vice versa. The ST do poses a greater difficulty, but the sierra 1 could be easily transformed into a tower, just you would transform your towers into a bookshelves. Now dont give me the excuse about their physical size not belonging to a bookshelf!
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No, I for one do not consider that review as marketing, more of a confirmation of performance. As I mentioned, -- I said "essentially" zero marketing. We have never and will never pay anyone to review our products which puts us at risk of a poor review. If that review turned out poorly, would you still consider it marketing? We also sent our Sierra-1 to the NRC...

I have yet to hear a poor review. What is the point of paying someone to do a review to be made bad? I have nothing to say if you think that a review is not marketing. Since the reviews are not meant to be read by people...... the market, potential buyer... whether interested on the product or not. And you are in a ID business and proffesional review are not marketing? Ok dave, dont think you have me trip. Think what you want as you said to me and our opinions should be well respected!
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Hmmm... not sure what your point is or what you are even referring to. We have built dozens of Sierra-1 cabinets in MDF. We have built Sierra-1 prototypes out of MDF, various hardwoods and even different types of bamboo. I recall a post you made about a week ago in another thread positively discussing what it feels like to knuckle rap test the Sierra-1 cabinet. If you don't feel cabinet materials matter, build a speaker cabinet out of cardboard and have a listen. Then keep adding more and more sheets of cardboard and listen to how clarity and transparency improves with each consecutive sheet. There is a reason why many high end speaker companies stop using MDF on their higher end lines and switch to different materials. Check this link for a detailed comparison: http://www.makeitfrom.com/compare-materials/?A=Bamboo-Plywood&B=Medium-Density-Fiberboard-MDF

My point is that i find it odd you would compare a bamboo sierra cabinet to some other bookshelf mdf cabinet. Now that you made it clear you made dozens of mdf sierra, it is even odder that you did not use the two (bamboo sierra1 vs mdf sierra) in your test. Im not doubting the importance of cabinet stiffness. We arent talking about cardboard. My desktop speaker arent made of cardbaord cabinet so what are you talking about? Im are refering about mdf, a material that is relative stiff and combined with apropriate bracing can control most resonance speacially in the size of the sierra 1 where there is no large long panels. But thats not my point, just to remind you. And i dont dare to discuss this suject with you.
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Now you are insulting my integrity Ricardo, and in nearly 30-years of continuous work in this industry, I can't recall anyone questioning my integrity. Hundreds of people come to our facility each year for demo's. Some bring their own speakers, some bring speakers they have borrowed. We have hosted several formal listening events with various audio clubs -- I don't know any of these people. The probability of an unbiased comment is more likely than not as we always let the listeners have free run of our demo room. We only get involved when they ask questions or we have to gently ask them to turn it down.

You have specifically said a comparison between the ST and sierra nrt and you mentioned NON Salk owners, are you not insulting salk owners if they were, that they somehow could be bias?
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However, I feel I must share with you that during various listening comparisons between the SongTowers and Sierra-1 NrT, several unbiased (non-Ascend and non-Salk owners) actually preferred the mids of the Sierra-1 NrT.

No, im not insulting your integrity, i just have a different perspective.
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Have you ever tried swapping the locations of your Sierra-1 and ST's?
Various times to disprove my believes and i fail. Indeed the ST are a better speaker.
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No -- I specifically said possibly as it completely depends on the listener and I have learned to never try and predict what someone else will hear or what opinions they will develop.
You said:
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Possibly, when compared to the standard Sierra-1 if someone is looking for greater detail… but neither of these Salk's will match the low end performance of the Sierra-1.

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Have you even heard the speaker you are assuming to be more detailed? Something tells me that you haven't... wink.gif Understand that it is NOT a SongTower, it is a very different design with 1/2 the midrange radiating area and much less cabinet volume -- those lower mids you love so much in the SongTower are not going to sound the same...

Does a ST center counts? to be fair, i have compared them side by side with the sierra 1, and you are right, the bass on the sierra will make the ST center sound outright stupid, but the ST center remained detail, simply more natural.
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However, I also know that you are not fully satisfied with them either as you are continually looking for something better and we have had many discussions regarding this. I truly hope you do find the perfect loudspeaker for YOU, but understand that when and if you do, others might prefer a considerably less expensive speaker and they are entitled to say that speaker X is better than Speaker Y at 1/4 the price...

Not true, im completely satified with my purchased of the ST, not only are they good to listen, they are good to look at. It seems until this point you are still not getting my point. And you bet im intitle to my opinion as well. What is true, is that im looking to experiement the raal tweeter. Based on your anology of assumptions, you must be disastified with your sierra1 as you offer nrt upgrade then the tower to compete with the ST?
My newly, Selah tempesta at $500 over the raal sierra tower (shipping include in their full price) will blow your mind.
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Ricardo, I'm not sure anyone is getting your point.

You like other speakers more than the Sierra-1...right? That's your point...many have known that for a while.

Do you like the Tempesta more than your Songtowers?
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Those Selahs look like fine speakers. The fact that they are substantially less sensitive than the Sierra Towers means you will require substantially more amp power to produce equal SPL's as the towers. More power = added cost in my book. The premium drivers will demand, obviously, a premium cost which takes up much of the speaker's overall cost. Dave uses custom drivers built to his specifications, at much lower cost than the Acuton or Scanspeak drivers, but which are likely nearly or just as good. The RAAL is the same, of course, and Dave may be enjoying a substantial price cut due to the sheer volume of these he is selling in his speakers.

If you like your Selah's then enjoy them and quit beating a dead horse.
post #1415 of 1484
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Originally Posted by HOTDIGITY View Post

Those Selahs look like fine speakers. The fact that they are substantially less sensitive than the Sierra Towers means you will require substantially more amp power to produce equal SPL's as the towers. More power = added cost in my book. The premium drivers will demand, obviously, a premium cost which takes up much of the speaker's overall cost. Dave uses custom drivers built to his specifications, at much lower cost than the Acuton or Scanspeak drivers, but which are likely nearly or just as good. The RAAL is the same, of course, and Dave may be enjoying a substantial price cut due to the sheer volume of these he is selling in his speakers.

If you like your Selah's then enjoy them and quit beating a dead horse.

Mind you, the selah are not just fine, they are superb. We are having a discussion, you didnt even follow the post, you dont know what the discusion is about. It not even about the selah at all. So stop interfering. And stop the crap about beating dead horse.
And before you think they are substantially less sensitive, i will tell you they are as sensitive as the sierra 1 that are rated 86.5.
Rick must have underrated them.
Edited by RicardoJoa - 4/4/13 at 7:20pm
post #1416 of 1484
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Originally Posted by RicardoJoa View Post

Mind you, the selah are not just fine, they are superb. We are having a discussion, you didnt even follow the post, you dont know what the discusion is about. It not even about the selah at all. So stop interfering. And stop the crap about beating dead horse.

Did I mention that this is my opinion? Am I permitted to express that here or do I need to find a thread where you do not participate? I've been following along well enough, Ricardo. I do not post "crap", as you so eloquently state it.

Fine.......superb......fanf**kingtastic.......blah blah blah. Opinion. Yours.

Goodnight
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Ricardo you should have no problem selling those Ascends....if your inclined....people usually pick them up rather quickly if the price is right.

Food for thought....smile.gif
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Originally Posted by HOTDIGITY View Post

Did I mention that this is my opinion? Am I permitted to express that here or do I need to find a thread where you do not participate? I've been following along well enough, Ricardo. I do not post "crap", as you so eloquently state it.

Fine.......superb......fanf**kingtastic.......blah blah blah. Opinion. Yours.

Goodnight

So you come here and tell me to stop beating a dead horse, you talk about selah and you tell me you been have following the post well enough? We are talking about the sierra1 if you didnt know.
This is crap: Fine.......superb......fanf**kingtastic.......blah blah blah..
Of course opinions are mine just like yours are yours.
post #1419 of 1484
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Originally Posted by Billy p View Post

Ricardo you should have no problem selling those Ascends....if your inclined....people usually pick them up rather quickly if the price is right.

Food for thought....smile.gif

I think you are greatly misunderstood. They are working fine as surround.
post #1420 of 1484
Ricardo, you wear me out. No matter what forum your on, be it Selah, Salk or here you are the proverbial fly in the ointment. Go have a beer and please give it a rest...
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Originally Posted by guillermorb73 View Post

Ricardo, you wear me out. No matter what forum your on, be it Selah, Salk or here you are the proverbial fly in the ointment. Go have a beer and please give it a rest...
I have an advice for you. Dont read the post.
But if you are defaming me, then you must have a problem. Arent these forum open for discussions? No matter what forum? What are you talking about? Looks like you going personal attack now. Grow up and get sensibly in discussion.
If you think me and Dave are getting a war, think again, if it is all personal i wouldnt even post on ascend forum. I suggested a method about magnetic grill on ascend forum and now you think im wearing you out, out of what?
I dont use alchool to cool me down, i dont need to.
Edited by RicardoJoa - 4/4/13 at 8:21pm
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Ricardo-your recent posts have absolutely zero to do with Ascend Sierra Towers and you have been politely asked to move on. If you would kindly do so we would appreciate it.

Thank you.
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Ricardo, if you want to talk about the Sierra-1 that's great, just move it to the Sierra-1 thread. This one is dedicated to the towers.
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Dave, what is the smallest (in height) Sierra Horizon cabinet that you would be willing to custom make? What would the length and depth be? I have a shelf I am thinking of putting this in which has a height restriction of roughly 7.5 inches, but closer to 7 inches would be even better if that was even possible...of course if it gets too long; or deeper than 16 inches; or much heavier than the low/mid 40s then there will be problems that may be insermountable....thanks
Edited by sourbeef - 4/5/13 at 2:11pm
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Since the Sierra 1 monitors were measured at the NRC, any plans in the works for having the Sierra Towers measured there as well?
post #1426 of 1484
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

Since the Sierra 1 monitors were measured at the NRC, any plans in the works for having the Sierra Towers measured there as well?
They were measured as part of a review done by the Soundstage Network of sites.

Ask Soundstage to review the Tower.
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^If I had any clout there at all, I would. smile.gif
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Anyone around Hatfield, PA have the Raal Towers I could audition?

I really want to hear them ..badly. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Anyone around Hatfield, PA have the Raal Towers I could audition?

I really want to hear them ..badly. Thanks!

Newbie01, if you can't find anyone in your area, come on over to Scotch Plains, NJ. I'm about 65 - 70 miles from you. Should be no more than an 1.5 hours drive. I'm good on most weekends.
post #1430 of 1484
Roberta Flack's "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" just listened to this track on the Towers and my subwoofer WOW! smile.gif
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Hi Everyone,

I just finished reading through this entire thread. I’m very interested in these speakers and love the enthusiastic comments and setup pictures that have been posted so far by the owners. It’s also fantastic to see the hands-on approach that Dave has and how hard the company works to deliver customized solutions for different listening needs.

I have some initial questions for the community:

1) Are there any recommendations for a TV stand for the Horizon Center? I see most people are wall mounting their TV’s or using screens and placing the center directly on top of a low stand. Anyone know of an integrated stand with mount (adjustable would be great) that could accommodate a 46-55” TV and still have clearance for this center? Are there other placement options? I can wall mount if absolutely necessary but would prefer not to and I’m having a hard time finding something suitable.

2) What surrounds are the majority of owners using with these towers?

3) Will a Marantz SR6005 be enough to drive these without a separate amp?

That’s it for right now but I’m sure I’ll have more questions. I’m also looking forward to hearing more about those Sierra-2’s. Is it June yet? smile.gif
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If you already have a TV cabinet you like you might try one of these floor-standing-TV-mounts. Essentially they are a wall mount attached to a floor stand - you put the stand behind your current TV cabinet and the base slides under it. This is what I got to raise my TV and create more room for a center speaker. They rotate and tilt, so they offer all the advantages of a wall mount but are still portable.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TransDeco-LED-LCD-TV-Stand-w-Mount-Casters-for-40-80-inch-Televison-TD580B-NEW-/350706508681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a7bca389
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-LCD-TV-Stand-w-Mount-For-Up-to-60-LCD-LED-Televison-TransDeco-TD570B-NEW-/370604390887?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5649be39e7

They come with both casters and feet - the base is lower with the feet so I recommend those. (On the second model you would leave off the middle shelf.)

If you are considering a new TV cabinet then the Transdeco homepage has several options ...
http://www.transdecointl.com/Default.htm
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Thanks sdg! Those are the best suggestions I've seen yet. Unfortunately now that I have the tape measure out I think I am going to need to swap out my current stand. I just checked the diagrams on your links and I don't think I'm going to get quite the clearance I need. Your solution is still good though because it can work for me if I get a wider/lower stand than I have now.

The main reason I don't want to wall mount is because we sometimes change our furniture layout in the living room and we don't want to be forced to always have the same listening position. Some day I hope to have a dedicated Man Cave smile.gif

Thanks again for your reply!
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Originally Posted by GloryDaze View Post

Thanks sdg! Those are the best suggestions I've seen yet. Unfortunately now that I have the tape measure out I think I am going to need to swap out my current stand. I just checked the diagrams on your links and I don't think I'm going to get quite the clearance I need. Your solution is still good though because it can work for me if I get a wider/lower stand than I have now.

The main reason I don't want to wall mount is because we sometimes change our furniture layout in the living room and we don't want to be forced to always have the same listening position. Some day I hope to have a dedicated Man Cave smile.gif

Thanks again for your reply!


I'm using this method as well, what I have is Salamander Synergy 3 with their version of the Flat screen mount ( "Room Mate"). It looks like it's floating when you walk in the living room, it saves me the hassle of physically mount a 64 incher on the wall, and being that I'm in an apartment hiding the wires would have been an issue for me...Pet peeve loose wires mad.gif
Either way it's a great look what sdg suggested. Good luck

Djoel
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Originally Posted by GloryDaze View Post

Hi Everyone,

I just finished reading through this entire thread. I’m very interested in these speakers and love the enthusiastic comments and setup pictures that have been posted so far by the owners. It’s also fantastic to see the hands-on approach that Dave has and how hard the company works to deliver customized solutions for different listening needs.

I have some initial questions for the community:

1) Are there any recommendations for a TV stand for the Horizon Center? I see most people are wall mounting their TV’s or using screens and placing the center directly on top of a low stand. Anyone know of an integrated stand with mount (adjustable would be great) that could accommodate a 46-55” TV and still have clearance for this center? Are there other placement options? I can wall mount if absolutely necessary but would prefer not to and I’m having a hard time finding something suitable.

2) What surrounds are the majority of owners using with these towers?

3) Will a Marantz SR6005 be enough to drive these without a separate amp?

That’s it for right now but I’m sure I’ll have more questions. I’m also looking forward to hearing more about those Sierra-2’s. Is it June yet? smile.gif

I use CMT 170SE for back sournds and 4 HTM 200SE for presences.


I use klipsch for rears.
I use AVR Yamaha Z11, which is a 11.2 system.
Keep in mind that the Horizon Center is bigger than it looks in pictures. It is massive and weighs over 40 pounds. I use two met stands behind the TV
post #1436 of 1484
Man, I keep thinking about upping my budget and getting the best 2 channel I can first, considering ascend towers now.

Time to read through this long thread.
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glorydaze i have a marantz sr6003 powering my sierra towers sounds good i have not played them close to reference level.my surrounds are def tec sm 350s.
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post #1439 of 1484
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

There is now a Horizon page on the Ascend site:

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/horizon/horizon.html

LOL Curtis, you just noticed that? smile.gif Been on the site for at least 6 months now biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Ascend View Post

LOL Curtis, you just noticed that? smile.gif Been on the site for at least 6 months now biggrin.gif
Oh wow...I guess I stay pretty much in the forum.
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