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post #31 of 74
Hi,

I'm thinking of buying a TV and want to be able to read whatever media I have available on my network (mostly movies in different formats - no DVD/BD/ISO, everything is already reencoded to take less space - but also music - mp3, wma - and picture - jpg).

I just learnt about DLNA by looking for some info on the TVs I saw in the store (as the guys there had no idea what that ethernet jack was for).

As pvanosta said, Mezzmo is supposed to transcode if necessary any media (or at least a whole lot) so that it can be played on the TV. The problem is that it may require a lot of resources on the computer running it. Also a TV with DLNA may be more expensive than one without.

So my question is, mostly for treefrog100, can a WDTV Live+ do what I want or do I need a DLNA compatible TV? I guess such a box does some transcoding and thus may not be able to handle heavy processing.

Thanks
post #32 of 74
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Originally Posted by KathrynBPatrick View Post

Hi,

I'm thinking of buying a TV and want to be able to read whatever media I have available on my network (mostly movies in different formats - no DVD/BD/ISO, everything is already reencoded to take less space - but also music - mp3, wma - and picture - jpg).

I just learnt about DLNA by looking for some info on the TVs I saw in the store (as the guys there had no idea what that ethernet jack was for).

As pvanosta said, Mezzmo is supposed to transcode if necessary any media (or at least a whole lot) so that it can be played on the TV. The problem is that it may require a lot of resources on the computer running it. Also a TV with DLNA may be more expensive than one without.

So my question is, mostly for treefrog100, can a WDTV Live+ do what I want or do I need a DLNA compatible TV? I guess such a box does some transcoding and thus may not be able to handle heavy processing.

Thanks

Get the WDTV Live+, and it will do everything you want it to do. I have two of them. I considered the DLNA TV route before I bought my most recent flat screen for a living room, but it is not worth it for that feature alone. You generally have to get a more premium model of TV for $300 or more to get the DLNA feature, and DLNA in TV's is VERY LIMITED on functionality and can only do about 1/20th of what the WDTV Live+ can do for $90 -- no transcoding required. You can host your media off your desktop, a network storage drive, or a local USB drive. The WDTV Live+ also has a host of other net apps like Netflix, Pandora, Facebook, etc if those things are of interest to you.

There is no network integrated TV that does everything the Live+ can do, and the Live+ is the best network media player out there under $300. It is also the most DLNA-friendly device out there if you use that feature for music playback around the house like I do.
post #33 of 74
Thanks for the info treefrog100, I'm quite new to all this (and I can't test any DNLA server/client as I don't have that TV yet ^^).

So I guess I'll just buy a cheaper TV model and get that cheap WDTV Live+ you seem so found of!
post #34 of 74
I can't remember what DLNA software I tried but the both of them wouldn't recognize my MKV files. Installed TVersity tonight and it sees all my MKV files just fine and streams my 1080p MKV files no problem at all...which surprises me since I'm still sporting my 2004 Dell XPS desktop...figured it wouldn't be able to transcode or do whatever it does fast enough for the 720/1080p video and it would just stutter...but its smooth as silk!! I only thought this because Streaming 1080p using TVersity from my bro's 2 year old laptop to his xbox...its stutters like crazy...but maybe that's cuz I was trying to do it wirelessly. I don't remember.

The only thing I don't like is that I can't fastforward, rewind or pause. Is that because of TVersity or my Samsung Plasma? Are there any other DLNA apps that stream 1080p just fine but also gives you the options of fwd, rev, pause, chapter skips and all that?
post #35 of 74
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Originally Posted by prouddad1 View Post

Yes, a network media player is exactly what I'm looking for. WDTV live seems to be most popular and has good reviews at new egg. I'll research it further. Just need to make sure it will play nicely with my synology nas.

Thanks for all your insight.

The WDTV Live is fine. Both the Boxee Box and PCH-A210 are better in my opinion. The Boxee Box would benefit from passive cooling but if fan noise is not an issue then it's pretty good. The A210 from PCH has no fan and can take an internal hard drive.

As far as DLNA goes, I have no idea why one would want to go that route unless you already had the equipment set up ( like a PS3 and a computer). Mezzmo is no bad. Their latest upgrade supports XBMC nfo files which is a big plus.

philip
post #36 of 74
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Originally Posted by KathrynBPatrick View Post


So my question is, mostly for treefrog100, can a WDTV Live+ do what I want or do I need a DLNA compatible TV? I guess such a box does some transcoding and thus may not be able to handle heavy processing.

Thanks

The WDTV Live+ would be far better, as would a Boxee Box and a PCH-A210. I bought Mezzmo in a DLNA testing phase to feed an LG ST600 until they fix PLex on it. It's not bad, and supports XBMC nfo files, but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to use DLNA. The interface is just terrible.

A media player would be simpler. You want one that supports a graphical jukebox or has one built in ( The Boxee Box has a great interface, the PCH-A210 has excellent jukeboxes and a built in one that I am not familiar with).

I have a hard time being objective about DLNA. It just seems awful, but Mezzmo does work. There are some free DLNA servers floating around.

philip
post #37 of 74
out of the three I've had...the WDTV Live, WDTV Live Hub and Boxee.....I liked Boxee the best just because of the UI. I wish it had a little more customization or at least let you install new templates.

All three played 1080p content perfectly fine but WDTV's boxes had preset zoom like 1x 1.1x, 1.2x, 2x...so you couldn't fill the screen nicely if you wanted to with 2.35 movies. With boxeebox you can and that was another selling point for me.

If a movie couldn't be found thru IMDB or it came back with foreign covers, you could always make an NFO file with the right information.

While I like the idea of DLNA and being able to stream to any DLNA tv or mobile device....the lack of features and UI kinda stinks. Also wonder why streaming 720/1080p content to my Xbox using TVersity buffers like a mofo....but TVersity streaming to my Samsung has no buffer issues at all (unless I have "always transcode" on)
post #38 of 74
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Originally Posted by vice86 View Post

out of the three I've had...the WDTV Live, WDTV Live Hub and Boxee.....I liked Boxee the best just because of the UI. I wish it had a little more customization or at least let you install new templates.

All three played 1080p content perfectly fine but WDTV's boxes had preset zoom like 1x 1.1x, 1.2x, 2x...so you couldn't fill the screen nicely if you wanted to with 2.35 movies. With boxeebox you can and that was another selling point for me.

If a movie couldn't be found thru IMDB or it came back with foreign covers, you could always make an NFO file with the right information.

While I like the idea of DLNA and being able to stream to any DLNA tv or mobile device....the lack of features and UI kinda stinks. Also wonder why streaming 720/1080p content to my Xbox using TVersity buffers like a mofo....but TVersity streaming to my Samsung has no buffer issues at all (unless I have "always transcode" on)

What would these devices do for someone who had a TV that was internet rdy except duplicate many things. Most sets now are setup for the internet and the OP should proabably lean towards one of those.

If you dont mind me asking, I would like to stream my ripped blu-ray and DVD's to the TV without using a dedicated PC, as my Sony EX700 has internet connectivity and is hardwired. Wouldn't the WD TV Live Hub do this better?

cheers,

Ray
post #39 of 74
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Originally Posted by Humanoid1 View Post

What would these devices do for someone who had a TV that was internet rdy except duplicate many things. Most sets now are setup for the internet and the OP should proabably lean towards one of those.

If you dont mind me asking, I would like to stream my ripped blu-ray and DVD's to the TV without using a dedicated PC, as my Sony EX700 has internet connectivity and is hardwired. Wouldn't the WD TV Live Hub do this better?

cheers,

Ray

True...I have a Samsung internet ready tv (2010 model) with the apps so I can do my netflix, hulu, vudu all on there. And even though I can plug my external HDD's into the USB ports OR DLNA stream from my PC...the UI is just ugly. I mean it gets the job done, listing my movies, but I like it to look a little more pretty than the ugly list. If you don't care for that then you TV should be just fine. For me, I can't seem to forward, reverse, skip or resume if I stream movies from my PC to TV using TVersity...so that kinda sucks and that's where having one of the device comes in handy.

Its just a matter if you don't mind having your PC on and streaming to your TV through your TV or a connected device OR having an external hooked up to one or the other and playing it that way...but at some point you have to have the PC/MAC on to do the ripping and stuff. My PC is on 24/7 so it makes no difference to me.

Well if you're trying to keep a PC outta the picture then I don't think wireless streaming is an option. If you rip all your DVDs and BD's to an external HDD like I do, you'd have to connect it to the WDTV HUB OR store it on the Hub's 1TB internal.... which is connected to your TV.

I have no idea how NAS boxes work but I don't think they allow you to stream from those, do they?
post #40 of 74
Thanks for the reply Vice86. I'll prolly get the WD hub to house the ripped dvd's and blu-rays.

I've read some of these devices will pull from a nas but not sure which. I'm ripping with dvdfab but would prefer having something like the wd hooked up via hdmi to my AVR and out to the TV. Still have the rj45 conection for transfering dvds from my PC to the hub.

Ray
post #41 of 74
Just an FYI...transferring files over to the the Hub's HDD is pretty darn slow...either by USB HDD plugged in and copying over or transferring over the network...i don't have a gigabit network so i don't know if that would make a diffference or if the Hub even supports that.

I didn't care for the UI of the Hub either...Boxee was a lot user-friendly, IMO but its the same price with no internal HDD.
post #42 of 74
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

The WDTV Live+ would be far better, as would a Boxee Box and a PCH-A210. I bought Mezzmo in a DLNA testing phase to feed an LG ST600 until they fix PLex on it. It's not bad, and supports XBMC nfo files, but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to use DLNA. The interface is just terrible.

A media player would be simpler. You want one that supports a graphical jukebox or has one built in ( The Boxee Box has a great interface, the PCH-A210 has excellent jukeboxes and a built in one that I am not familiar with).

I have a hard time being objective about DLNA. It just seems awful, but Mezzmo does work. There are some free DLNA servers floating around.

philip

I think you answered your own question. As far as video is concerned, one would only want to utilize DLNA if they only had a DLNA TV and did not own a media streamer. A media streamer is far and away a better, more capable video player and gives you the ability to fast foward and rewind. I agree that there are better video players than the WDTV Live+, but not for $80 onsale. The others you mentioned are $175 and up.

Now DLNA for music is superior to simple network shares. A DLNA server (computer or NAS) will stream to multiple devices, and DLNA remotes on android and iPhones allow easy control over the music in multiple zones in an easy, searchable way. Each zone needs a certified DLNA renderer device, which the WDTV Live+ is.

Now having said that, the DLNA UI is a long way from being as good as it could be. There is a new DLNA 3.0 coming out someday, and hopefully, the Apple Airplay system will engender more effort on the DLNA UI front.
post #43 of 74
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Originally Posted by vice86 View Post

I have no idea how NAS boxes work but I don't think they allow you to stream from those, do they?

That is precisely what they are used for. Of course, streaming 1080p will require a more capable NAS than an el cheapo that just serves up files and music.
post #44 of 74
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Originally Posted by Humanoid1 View Post

Thanks for the reply Vice86. I'll prolly get the WD hub to house the ripped dvd's and blu-rays.

I've read some of these devices will pull from a nas but not sure which. I'm ripping with dvdfab but would prefer having something like the wd hooked up via hdmi to my AVR and out to the TV. Still have the rj45 conection for transfering dvds from my PC to the hub.

Ray

If you don't want to stream over the network, then save your money and get the Live+ (or other media streamer of your choice) and a USB hard drive. Then you can plug it into your computer, transfer your files quickly, then plug it into your Live+. You can also unplug the portable drive and take it with you on the go.

I prefer serving them off a desktop or NAS because I have media streamers in 3 locations in my home. That way we can watch whatever, whenever, and we don't have to worry about which hard drive the movies are on.
post #45 of 74
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Originally Posted by treefrog100 View Post

If you don't want to stream over the network, then save your money and get the Live+ (or other media streamer of your choice) and a USB hard drive. Then you can plug it into your computer, transfer your files quickly, then plug it into your Live+. You can also unplug the portable drive and take it with you on the go.

I prefer serving them off a desktop or NAS because I have media streamers in 3 locations in my home. That way we can watch whatever, whenever, and we don't have to worry about which hard drive the movies are on.

Live plus is fantastic, only if could do DTS HD Master and 7.1 sound pass through
post #46 of 74
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Live plus is fantastic, only if could do DTS HD Master and 7.1 sound pass through

I agree. It has it's shortcomings like slower UI compared to the more boutique offerings of PCH and Boxee, but for the price you cannot find a more comprehensively capable unit. I often see refurbs on sale at the WD website for $59 plus shipping. I only really want DTSHD-MA in my home theater room so for that space I got a NeoTV 550. It has a snappier UI and can bitstream DTSHD-MA some of the time. Unfortunately, it is an unfinished product, firmware is buggy, and playback of the HD audio tracks is hit and miss. It also does not correctly execute DLNA.

I have read that the next gen Sigma chipsets will have XBMC built in to the chipset code. That could potentially be exciting if the WDTV Live+ replacement can pick up the DTSHD-MA, have a slicker UI, and keep the price below the Boxee or the NeoTV 550 for an HDD-less unit.
post #47 of 74
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Originally Posted by treefrog100 View Post

If you don't want to stream over the network, then save your money and get the Live+ (or other media streamer of your choice) and a USB hard drive. Then you can plug it into your computer, transfer your files quickly, then plug it into your Live+. You can also unplug the portable drive and take it with you on the go.

I prefer serving them off a desktop or NAS because I have media streamers in 3 locations in my home. That way we can watch whatever, whenever, and we don't have to worry about which hard drive the movies are on.

Thats an excellent option and love the mobility thanks treefrog

Ray
post #48 of 74
So ok, all I want to do is put a bunch of MKV files (handbrake normal profile) on a hard drive in a PC and be able to play them on demand from my couch, as in sit there and be able to browse folder from a device. I have a Samsung BD-6500 and xbox360, is this something I can do? I have never been able to make the 360 access anything besides dumpy WMV files.
post #49 of 74
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So ok, all I want to do is put a bunch of MKV files (handbrake normal profile) on a hard drive in a PC and be able to play them on demand from my couch, as in sit there and be able to browse folder from a device. I have a Samsung BD-6500 and xbox360, is this something I can do? I have never been able to make the 360 access anything besides dumpy WMV files.
My video is in MP4 format on a Windows machine. I use Mezzmo as streamer to view them on my Samsung BD-6500. Works great. Very reliable with excellent video quality.

Mezzmo isn't free, but it allows you to customize the menus displayed on your BR player. I believe it handles MKV also.
post #50 of 74
But it does not do 7.1 PCM like ps3 media server? Neither do tverrrsiyy pri
post #51 of 74
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

But it does not do 7.1 PCM like ps3 media server? Neither do tverrrsiyy pri


But the WD live hub does or I'm reading the specs backwards.

It doesn't support itunes, amazon protected movies or songs?

Ray
post #52 of 74
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Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post

So ok, all I want to do is put a bunch of MKV files (handbrake normal profile) on a hard drive in a PC and be able to play them on demand from my couch, as in sit there and be able to browse folder from a device. I have a Samsung BD-6500 and xbox360, is this something I can do? I have never been able to make the 360 access anything besides dumpy WMV files.

The short answer is: Yes, but the available solutions are a hassle and have several shortcomings in my opinion when compared to a dedicated media streamer.

DLNA does not support MKV. The Samsung and the 360 do not play MKV natively. You must install a program on your host computer (like Mezzmo) that transcodes the video in real time into a format your equipment can understand and send it to your TV or 360. Good software is not without cost, and you must have a good desktop to handle the transcoding without stuttering. You also cannot do anything on your desktop while a video is being transcoded. You can loose picture quality since you are transcoding from the original rip, and you will certainly loose HD audio. Functions like FF and RW are not very snappy.

The best solution is to get a medial streamer. All you do is "share" the folders where your MKV's reside, browse them from the media streamer, and hit play. Most modern streamers in the $80 and up range play 1080p effectively, and the streamers in $169 and up range can bitstream DTS HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD to your AV receiver.

If I am a little off on my facts then someone may chime in to correct me.
post #53 of 74
Can u pls provide me proof if hub doing 7.1?
post #54 of 74
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Originally Posted by treefrog100

The short answer is: Yes, but the available solutions are a hassle and have several shortcomings in my opinion when compared to a dedicated media streamer.

DLNA does not support MKV. The Samsung and the 360 do not play MKV natively. You must install a program on your host computer (like Mezzmo) that transcodes the video in real time into a format your equipment can understand and send it to your TV or 360. Good software is not without cost, and you must have a good desktop to handle the transcoding without stuttering. You also cannot do anything on your desktop while a video is being transcoded. You can loose picture quality since you are transcoding from the original rip, and you will certainly loose HD audio. Functions like FF and RW are not very snappy.

The best solution is to get a medial streamer. All you do is "share" the folders where your MKV's reside, browse them from the media streamer, and hit play. Most modern streamers in the $80 and up range play 1080p effectively, and the streamers in $169 and up range can bitstream DTS HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD to your AV receiver.

If I am a little off on my facts then someone may chime in to correct me.
Only thing is my samsung plays mkv like a champ off USB devices, does that change anything?
post #55 of 74
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Can u pls provide me proof if hub doing 7.1?
This is from WDC site.

Here is a link and a paste.

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/produ...x?id=570#tab20

Model # Interface Capacity Operating System
WDBABZ0010BBK Gigabit Ethernet, USB 2.0, HDMI, Composite A/V, Component video, Optical audio 1 TB N/A


File Formats Supported
Video - AVI (Xvid, AVC, MPEG1/2/4), MPG/MPEG, VOB, MKV (h.264, x.264, AVC, MPEG1/2/4, VC-1), TS/TP/M2T (MPEG1/2/4, AVC, VC-1), MP4/MOV (MPEG4, h.264), M2TS, WMV9, FLV (h.264)
Photo - JPEG, GIF, TIF/TIFF, BMP, PNG
Audio - MP3, WAV/PCM/LPCM, WMA, AAC, FLAC, MKA, AIF/AIFF, OGG, Dolby Digital, DTS
Playlist - PLS, M3U, WPL
Subtitle - SRT, ASS, SSA, SUB, SMI

Note:
MPEG2 MP@HL up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30 or 1280x720p60 resolution.
MPEG4.2 ASP@L5 up to 1280x720p30 resolution and no support for global motion compensation.
WMV9/VC-1 MP@HL up to 1280x720p60 or 1920x1080p24 resolution. VC-1 AP@L3 up to 1920x1080i30, 1920x1080p24 or 1280x720p60 resolution.
H.264 BP@L3 up to 720x480p30 or 720x576p25 resolution.
H.264 MP@L4.1 and HP@4.1 up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30, or 1280x720p60 resolution.
An audio receiver is required for multi-channel surround sound digital output.
Compressed RGB JPEG formats only and progressive JPEG up to 2048x2048.
Single layer TIFF files only.
Uncompressed BMP only.
For details, please refer to the user manual.

File Formats Not Supported
Does not support protected premium content such as movies or music from the iTunes Store, Movielink, Amazon Unbox, and Vongo.
post #56 of 74
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Originally Posted by Fred27

Only thing is my samsung plays mkv like a champ off USB devices, does that change anything?
It changes what I know. I didn't know they supported MKV's as they can sometimes be quirky if not made with a mainstream MKV encoding program. Thanks!
post #57 of 74
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Originally Posted by treefrog100 View Post

It changes what I know. I didn't know they supported MKV's as they can sometimes be quirky if not made with a mainstream MKV encoding program. Thanks!

They can, for instance MakeMKV files dont work but handbrake mkvs do work.
The question is, will any software be able to stream to the player without any silly transcoding?
post #58 of 74
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Originally Posted by Humanoid1 View Post

This is from WDC site.

Here is a link and a paste.

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/produ...x?id=570#tab20

Model # Interface Capacity Operating System
WDBABZ0010BBK Gigabit Ethernet, USB 2.0, HDMI, Composite A/V, Component video, Optical audio 1 TB N/A


File Formats Supported
Video - AVI (Xvid, AVC, MPEG1/2/4), MPG/MPEG, VOB, MKV (h.264, x.264, AVC, MPEG1/2/4, VC-1), TS/TP/M2T (MPEG1/2/4, AVC, VC-1), MP4/MOV (MPEG4, h.264), M2TS, WMV9, FLV (h.264)
Photo - JPEG, GIF, TIF/TIFF, BMP, PNG
Audio - MP3, WAV/PCM/LPCM, WMA, AAC, FLAC, MKA, AIF/AIFF, OGG, Dolby Digital, DTS
Playlist - PLS, M3U, WPL
Subtitle - SRT, ASS, SSA, SUB, SMI

Note:
MPEG2 MP@HL up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30 or 1280x720p60 resolution.
MPEG4.2 ASP@L5 up to 1280x720p30 resolution and no support for global motion compensation.
WMV9/VC-1 MP@HL up to 1280x720p60 or 1920x1080p24 resolution. VC-1 AP@L3 up to 1920x1080i30, 1920x1080p24 or 1280x720p60 resolution.
H.264 BP@L3 up to 720x480p30 or 720x576p25 resolution.
H.264 MP@L4.1 and HP@4.1 up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30, or 1280x720p60 resolution.
An audio receiver is required for multi-channel surround sound digital output.
Compressed RGB JPEG formats only and progressive JPEG up to 2048x2048.
Single layer TIFF files only.
Uncompressed BMP only.
For details, please refer to the user manual.

File Formats Not Supported
Does not support protected premium content such as movies or music from the iTunes Store, Movielink, Amazon Unbox, and Vongo.

WDTV only transmit DTS core 5.1 from DTS HD Master 5.1 or 6.1 or 7.1.

Bottom line you get only core 5.1, AC3, TRUE HD and DTS HD or DTS HD MASTER.

Any one, please pitch in to correct me if any thing different?
post #59 of 74
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Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post

They can, for instance MakeMKV files dont work but handbrake mkvs do work.
The question is, will any software be able to stream to the player without any silly transcoding?

Not sure why MakeMKV's won't work and Handbrake MKV's will. I do not know enough about the programming side of things to answer that. All I know is MKV is a container file for the video and audio codecs within. There could be something in the way the video and headers in the MKV are handled with each software.

It's the player, not the software that is the limitation. The player has to be able to play all the different files that are out there. Often, there are licenses that the player manufacturer must pay for in order to display content, and that's why every TV with built in media player doesn't play everything under the sun. It impacts the TV price. That is where a dedicated media player is an advantage. My el cheapo WDTV Live+ will play every MKV, M2TS, AVI, and other video file I can throw at it. All one has to do is share a folder of content on their desktop or network drive and the media player will play it. No media sharing or transcoding software required.

That's why I would never consider a TV, PS3, XBOX, to be my dedicated media streamer (after unsuccessfully trying to use them myself). They all have limitations voluntarily imposed on them by their manufacturers to only play very specific content. Media server software just helps find workarounds by transcoding your files into something they can understand.
post #60 of 74
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

WDTV only transmit DTS core 5.1 from DTS HD Master 5.1 or 6.1 or 7.1.

Bottom line you get only core 5.1, AC3, TRUE HD and DTS HD or DTS HD MASTER.

Any one, please pitch in to correct me if any thing different?

Just a clarification, the WDTV will only output DTS 5.1 from a DTS HD MA and will output DD 5.1 from a discrete DD 5.1 audio track. It will not output a 5.1 from a DD True HD soundtrack because the True HD does not have a "core" like DTS does.

At any rate, no HD audio. I can't remember if it will bitstream the either of the HD audio tracks as passthrough to an AV receiver. The folks in the WDTV Live or Live Hub forums could answer that.
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