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post #301 of 389
4/15/12 at 4:32am
Just a thought.
With everything connected and the lighting not working, have you ever looked at the front panel of the pro2 and looked at the status LEDs next to the computer port on the left hand side? You should have only "PWR" and
"NET" illuminated. The third status LED "MSG" should be off.
"MSG" is the same as "ERR" in older units and has the same funtionality and you know what ERR means
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post #302 of 389
4/15/12 at 2:13pm
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No msgs or err listed
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post #303 of 389
4/16/12 at 4:03am
OK got right in this morning

08 the missing power supply obiously FAILED

1A, 1B and 1C LC1000's Error "High Z does not exceed low Y on recieve."
I also looked at this in Viewport and these don't even show up as being connected. FAILED

44 Pad8 OK

55 TXM FAILED Error "First transistion on Y and Z do not match"

65 Dim8 FAILED Error "No response on Y"

66 Dim4 OK

Now I just have to figure out what this all means
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post #304 of 389
4/16/12 at 4:38am
It's either a pile of defective devices or mis-wired twisted pairs.

First pull any one LC1000 and look at the cresnet connection on it's end.
If they are on cat5 they could be wired one of two ways. It might be using one full twisted pair for each connection (not recommended) or
one twisted pair for 24, one twisted pair for G and one twisted pair for Y and Z. The 4th twisted pair is not used.

This has to be a wiring problem.
Make up a new cresnet cable to connect the TXM. Use that solid core wire you bought as a experiment. Do the same thing in your lighting cabinet for the DIM8. The DIM4 is OK so the cresnet is good to the cabinet. When you have done that I will test again.

Chip
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post #305 of 389
4/16/12 at 5:49pm
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1. The LC1000's are connected with 4 twisted pair to each, ie not the "recommended way" This is also how I wired it at the rack. The LC1000's were already wired when we moved in so that is how it was previously functioning. Not surprised they did not show up as being connected they were not. I left them out so I could control lighting.

2. I dont see how DIM8 failed but not DIM4. They are connected together via the interconnect cable in series on the same cresnet cable to the CAEN-BLOCK. Perhaps the DIM8 is bad or the lighting is wired incorrectly. There has been a few strange issues with lighting control.

I will try to run a new cresnet to the xm module. It might be tomorrow night or Wednesday as the house is PACKED with family for my sons 2nd birthday. They think the theater is amazing though I see lots of work!! Crestron, calibration, need some subs, etc! I guess thats why it is our hobby.
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post #306 of 389
4/16/12 at 6:37pm
I think one of those two nights you should call me on the phone while I am linked up with your system. We can unplug everything and while I'm monitoring it with network analyzer, plug it one device at a time. That way we can see it when errors appear on the cresnet (in real time). That won't take much time and is much better then playing internet tag.
When you are done with the theater for the night, disconnect the cresnet for the lighting all the way back to the rack and plug in the LC1000's. I will re-scan before I go to bed or in the AM with my coffee.
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post #307 of 389
4/17/12 at 4:54am
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Okay, lighting disconnected at cnt-block. Everything else on and working.
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post #308 of 389
4/17/12 at 11:03am
OK now unplug everything else and only plug in the lighting.
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post #309 of 389
4/17/12 at 4:15pm
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All disconnected except lighting
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post #310 of 389
4/17/12 at 4:28pm
Don't go away. We're almost done
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post #311 of 389
4/17/12 at 4:37pm
OK here's the deal. With the lighting disconnected all other errors on the cresnet go away. With only the lighting connected I show a good dim4 and a bad dim8. I'm not convinced that the 8 is bad yet. so do this first. Disconnect the short ribbon jumper between the 4 and 8. I want to test the 8 all by it's self. Do it now.
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post #312 of 389
4/17/12 at 4:41pm
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Done
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post #313 of 389
4/17/12 at 4:48pm
OK does the ribbon connector from the caen-block reach the dim4?? If so move it from the 8 to the 4.
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post #314 of 389
4/17/12 at 4:52pm
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Done, barely reaches
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post #315 of 389
4/17/12 at 4:59pm
OK last test. Put everything on the lighting end back the way it's supposed to be.
You said you bought some wire that you thought you might use. Is there enough to make it from the cnt-block to the caen-block just for a test.
I just want to make sure there isn't enough signal or voltage loss in the old cable to cause it. If so do it now.
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post #316 of 389
4/17/12 at 5:13pm
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Done with new wire
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post #317 of 389
4/17/12 at 5:37pm
OK done deal. I don't think I'd be going to far out on a limb by telling you to get another Dim8. The only thing left to do is try is to put it all back together with all cresnet devices attached. pull the jumper between the dins again and plug the long ribbon cable back into the din4. I'll bet you will have a clean cresnet and control over everything including the 4 circuits attached to the din4. I think I saw some dealer display models on fleabay for short money. Grab one and hook it up. I can set the cresnet address from here.
While you are looking into that, there is a couple of dealers selling real cresnet cable. They sell it by ten foot units. So if you figure you need 100 feet you just order ten units.

You want to try and hook up the alarm system now
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post #318 of 389
4/17/12 at 5:40pm
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Could it be the electrical wiring to the dim8 is incorrect? I noticed some of the zones have been disconnected. Or would that only cause though zones to not work.
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post #319 of 389
4/17/12 at 6:01pm
No, I'm pretty sure you could leave all those line out's empty and it won't effect the cresnet signal. We are looking at the control side logic/low voltage that has nothing to do with the high voltage.

Final test How long does it take a driven person to come up with a new one

I have my own little crisis tonight. I've been having issues with with the AVR in my main theater. It's a Yamaha what has dual zone output. The second zone was for the outside theater. That zone crapped out last year. Tonight the L and R mains dropped out. I knew this was coming so I've been scoping out a used Denon 3808. I've already modified my program to use it. Just haven't found one for the right price yet.
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post #320 of 389
4/17/12 at 6:27pm
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You sir are correct. With the dim8 bypassed, all cresnet devices function properly. Sounds like it is the bad apple.

How easy are these to change? I am no electrician. Trying to figure the logic in how they are wired. Seems like mine is all screwed up. Shouldnt one zones hot and neutral be on the same respective rail slot 1-4 or 1-8? Mine are not. Also, just notice one of the rails (not the power in) is hot on dim8 even though it is all off.

Regarding, the avr. If you need an onkyo 705 i know someone who has one
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post #321 of 389
4/17/12 at 6:48pm
Just get one and I'll walk you through swapping it out. Something about a piece of cake comes to mind Just remember, that black wire attached to "LINE IN" is hot all the time. That is the supply. Find a replacement.
Figure out which breaker cuts the power to it. I'll help you do it.

I'm going to run a scan one more time to be sure all errors are gone. I'll be back...
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post #322 of 389
4/17/12 at 6:53pm
Comes back clean as a babies bottom
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post #323 of 389
4/17/12 at 7:07pm
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Great. It is not so easy to find a clx-1dim8 online. None on fleabay. Might have to call around. There is a used one in GA I inquired about.
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post #324 of 389
4/17/12 at 7:18pm
Well keep looking. When you get a chance, grab your camera and take a close up of the wiring block to the left of the dim8. I'm mostly interested in the red section (line out). Why is the area where the red wire is connected discolored?
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post #325 of 389
4/17/12 at 7:23pm
"Regarding, the avr. If you need an onkyo 705 i know someone who has one"

I have no idea what this is or if it will do what I want. What is the full model# and I'll look it up. I know the Denon 3808 fits the bill exactly.
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post #326 of 389
4/17/12 at 7:38pm
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http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=i

Nothing high end but may be a good stop gap or second zone avr.
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post #327 of 389
4/17/12 at 7:40pm
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Good pick up. I noticed that tonight as well. Here is another pic. Also,noticed some of the neutrals go up the panel and corresponding black wire does not. Seems wrong. For instance, load 1 after hot in. The red wire is hot with all loads off so i guess it is shorted. It is not hot when disconnected
LL
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post #328 of 389
4/18/12 at 3:25am
I looked at your program and it shows you are only using 6 of the 8 outputs from the dim8. You say that red wire is hot all the time until removed from the connection block correct. That means one of these six items is on all the time and can't be shut off.

1. Scounces
2. Behind_scr_dn (not sure what that is)
3. Art
4. Steps
5. Ceiling_dn1 (not sure what dn1 means)
6. Ropes

They are all listed as incandescent.
See what's running of those six that shouldn't be then yank that red wire and see if it goes off.
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post #329 of 389
4/18/12 at 3:48am
If you can't find any lighting running that shouldn't be, pull the red wire and see if you can make the screen come down.
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post #330 of 389
4/18/12 at 4:18am
I am a little worried about that red wire. It's overheated the connection there. If you have a clamp on amp meter, I would love to know how many amps it's trying to pass.
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