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post #3631 of 9857
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Originally Posted by omegaslast View Post

Ive never heard of the $20 paypal dispute fee

However, that guy should maybe bother reading what paypal has to say

A dispute is not an actual paypal claim, paypal wont come after your money until it is escalated to a claim. Ive never opened a dispute but a dispute basically just allows him to extend the 45 calendar day resolution period.


Paypal's original notice said I should contact him first, which I did a couple times. I told him I'd refund his money once I figured out how to do it through the Paypal site even though they already took the money out of the account. But this Monday morning I got another notice from Paypal saying he decided to "Escalate to a Claim". So I guess the emails didn't matter.

He said I was damned either way:

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I want the waveguides. If you choose to refund my money then you are accepting culpability on your part and Paypal views that as a default, putting a knock against you which would not be good either.

Looks like no matter what I did it wouldn't help.

Luckily, out of everyone so far...for any group buy....or anything else in the past year or so since this began.... only one person to get flat out mad at me and do this. I guess .08% isn't too bad.
post #3632 of 9857
Ugh! I can't stand people like this guy. The sense of entitlement puts me off like few other things cans.
post #3633 of 9857
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Originally Posted by MoFinWiley View Post

Ugh! I can't stand people like this guy. The sense of entitlement puts me off like few other things cans.

Seriously.
The nerve of some people. Erich goes out of his way to do this for EVERYONE in the community, meanwhile he thinks he's entitled to them already, when it's not even at that stage yet.
post #3634 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

He said I was damned either way:

What's his expectation then - did he answer that? That maybe you can wave a magic wand and get them to him now?
post #3635 of 9857
He is entitled to what he deserves - so I hope you gave him his money back. If he wants the waveguides that is the outcome you should make certain doesn't happen. Just my 2¢.
post #3636 of 9857
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Originally Posted by toshiwakano View Post

If that happens, then i will have to ask few of my friends from USA to buy couple of SEOS 12 and send it to me in Serbia. I didn't want to hustle them but maybe i'll have to.

We'll see in about a month what will be their answer. Until then ...

I dont think Erich realised that we were talking about distribution in Europe. Maybe Jacek Zagaja can do something, as the best way would probably be to send the horns directly from Poland to the user. I´ll try to contact him through DIYAudio.
Thorsten
post #3637 of 9857
Bummer about that customer Erich. That is pure BS. I'm guessing this guy did this had to be planning to do this to you from the start. I don't have any experience with this type of thing. I'd suggest trying to get it behind you and move on though.
post #3638 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post


Paypal's original notice said I should contact him first, which I did a couple times. I told him I'd refund his money once I figured out how to do it through the Paypal site even though they already took the money out of the account. But this Monday morning I got another notice from Paypal saying he decided to "Escalate to a Claim". So I guess the emails didn't matter.

He said I was damned either way:

Looks like no matter what I did it wouldn't help.

Luckily, out of everyone so far...for any group buy....or anything else in the past year or so since this began.... only one person to get flat out mad at me and do this. I guess .08% isn't too bad.

People like this should not get what they want.

I would make every effort possible to make sure he never laid his fingers on my hard work.

"I want my waveguides!, even if they dont exist yet!" "Here take your $28 back and go be mad somewhere else."
post #3639 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

He is entitled to what he deserves - so I hope you gave him his money back. If he wants the waveguides that is the outcome you should make certain doesn't happen. Just my 2¢.

That is exactly what I would do as well. If he wants to be an a$$ about it then just refund his money and be done with him.
post #3640 of 9857
I'm not too worried about it of course. But it's one of those things that baffles me because there really isn't much I could have done differently. No big deal, just a little odd to me.

I'm moving on either way. I should be getting some baffle samples cut this week. If anyone has any specific sizes for certain woofers they'd like to see, now's the time to let me know.
post #3641 of 9857
first time i visited this site... your uploaded picture is awesome...
post #3642 of 9857
Erich,

I'm not sure how you refunding his money its going to stain your record with PP. Your customer launched a complaint and you refunded his money. Granted, I only use PP to buy stuff, but it seems a little odd. Don't assume that you have to sell him the product just to keep your name clean. This guy is not someone I would trust for any type of facts.

Going forward (if you are not doing it already), you may want to keep a list of people who you refuse to sell to (cross reference their address, phone number, email addresses and names), that way you can reduce potential head aches in the future (this type of "client" does not improve with age, he or she just turns into bitter vinegar).
post #3643 of 9857
Erich, it sounds like they had this outcome predetermined and leads me to believe it could be someone with a vested interest in the same niche market? OTOH it could just be my inner conspiracy theorist talking...I'll just put my tin foil hat back on.
post #3644 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I should be getting some baffle samples cut this week. If anyone has any specific sizes for certain woofers they'd like to see, now's the time to let me know.

TD12M TD12-dimensional.pdf

Faital Pro 12FH520:
Overall Diameter 12.44" / 316mm
Bolt Circle Diameter 11.75" / 298.5mm
Baffle Cutout Diameter-Front Mount 11.18" / 284mm
No. Of Mounting Holes 8
Overall Depth 6.13" / 155.7mm
Flange & gasket Thickness 0.49" / 12.5mm

I can't find the dimensions of the TD10M, but I'm wondering if they would fit in the FG one piece baffle?

-Nate
post #3645 of 9857
Hi-End Munich 2012 is coming...

Premiere: SEOS-10 Front/Back panel with active bass and Universe Edition 2012.
LL
post #3646 of 9857
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Originally Posted by jzagaja View Post

Hi-End Munich 2012 is coming...

Premiere: SEOS-10 Front/Back panel with active bass and Universe Edition 2012.



What's that thing?

Looks like something from outer space.
post #3647 of 9857
JMLC-200T (Radian 950 Truextent) with dental resin art touches, JMLC-1000 (BMS 4538) tweeter and active bass bin (Kappa 15A).
post #3648 of 9857
Rybaudio : Do the SEOS-18 + CP380M and a single TD15H. Cross them around 1 kHz, maybe slightly lower, with 4th or 8th order slopes. [/quote]

Thank You again. Have calculated 6th.L-R and 4th.B with one Beyma/SEOS18 plus 2 12" Pyle pro, XO point 900 Hz. How can I calculate a good balance between these 90 dB, 200 W subwoofers and the 107 dB horn ? apparently HF would still be quite louder than LF. Second question : the frequency plots by bwaslo show a marked decrease in output from 16 kHz up - is this significant ?
and who designed the SEOS ? It comes from Poland, but did Zilch calculate it ?
post #3649 of 9857
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Originally Posted by coctostan View Post

I ask that you not bad mouth any of the parts you choose, specifically the SEOS.

Is coctostan afraid of anti-propaganda ? I appreciate constructive proposals as opposed to political reasoning. Am just buying the parts, everything is possible, the better the answers from seasonsed veterans, the less risk of failure. Are there diagrams for L-pads to lower the volume of the Beyma ? adapted Zobel diagrams ? Old speakers had knobs for changing the order slope on the fly. How does it work ? Gracias amigos !
post #3650 of 9857
Erich, how about show that the guy's claim has no merit by directing Paypal to the preorder page where you spell everything out.

Or threaten to tell us who he is so we can all publicly heap scorn on him.
post #3651 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Toscano View Post

Is coctostan afraid of anti-propaganda ? I appreciate constructive proposals as opposed to political reasoning. Am just buying the parts, everything is possible, the better the answers from seasonsed veterans, the less risk of failure. Are there diagrams for L-pads to lower the volume of the Beyma ? adapted Zobel diagrams ? Old speakers had knobs for changing the order slope on the fly. How does it work ? Gracias amigos !

Toscano-

I am not concerned with a critique of the SEOS design. It was thoroughly critiqued during the design process and I'm sure it will be critiqued when more people build speakers using them.

What I'm trying to say is that what you are proposing will have an extremely high likelihood of sounding bad. I don't mean "less than perfect", I mean outright bad. The crossover circuit is vital to get right. That is what people are referring to when designing speakers (not subs).

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your plans. Do you have measurement hardware, modelling software and crossover design experience? Or are you commissioning someone to do the design for you? Or are you planning to learn the process of designing a speaker?

I'm just saying that you can do as you please and incorrectly implement the SEOS but please don't come back with complaints about the SEOS itself. The SEOS will only be as good as the crossover it is used with. I'd suggest using one of Bwaslo's designs.
post #3652 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I'm not too worried about it of course. But it's one of those things that baffles me because there really isn't much I could have done differently. No big deal, just a little odd to me.

I'm moving on either way. I should be getting some baffle samples cut this week. If anyone has any specific sizes for certain woofers they'd like to see, now's the time to let me know.

The sub-woofer kit baffles?
If so, then...

ZV3 18"

18.25" outside diameter
16.62" Cutout


If you meant for the SEOS-12, probably some 15" woofers will be coming soon I imagine.
post #3653 of 9857
Hmmmm looks like the pre-order is over......

Cant wait to see who the big winners are in the drawing!!!!(rubs hands together)
post #3654 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Toscano View Post

the better the answers from seasonsed veterans, the less risk of failure.

You are asking questions that are at such a basic level of understanding, that I doubt you would know for a long time how to actually implement it.
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Originally Posted by Toscano View Post

Are there diagrams for L-pads to lower the volume of the Beyma ? adapted Zobel diagrams ?

These are two such questions.
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Originally Posted by Toscano View Post

Old speakers had knobs for changing the order slope on the fly. How does it work ?

I have never seen a design where a knob controlled the order of the slope, only those that changed level (in a passive xover). You would need to provide an example.
post #3655 of 9857
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Hmmmm looks like the pre-order is over......

Cant wait to see who the big winners are in the drawing!!!!(rubs hands together)

I just checked the DIYSoundGroup website and it looks like the preordering is still going on.
post #3656 of 9857
bwaslo has used 12" waveguides only, and other subwoofers. His design does not match.
Thanks for the advice A9X++, I am learning.
post #3657 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Toscano View Post

bwaslo has used 12" waveguides only, and other subwoofers. His design does not match.
Thanks for the advice A9X++, I am learning.

My advice is to get measurement equipment (both acoustic and electrical) and then take the necessary measurements in-box. Let others online do the simulations for you so that the speaker is fundamentally sound. then if you want to make ~1db preferential tweaks do it with an electronic EQ rather than passively.
post #3658 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Toscano View Post

bwaslo has used 12" waveguides only, and other subwoofers. His design does not match.

"Does not match" what exactly?
post #3659 of 9857
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

"Does not match" what exactly?

I believe Toscano bought SEOS-18's. The SEOS-18 is probably the least popular size so he could be waiting a while for a design. It seems he is probably going to need to take his own measurements and either learn how to design a passive crossover, go with a DSP (simpler but more expensive), or commission someone to design a crossover for him. If he is able to post good measurements I'm sure someone on AVS could simulate a crossover.
post #3660 of 9857
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Originally Posted by coctostan View Post

I believe Toscano bought SEOS-18's. The SEOS-18 is probably the least popular size so he could be waiting a while for a design. It seems he is probably going to need to take his own measurements and either learn how to design a passive crossover, go with a DSP (simpler but more expensive), or commission someone to design a crossover for him. If he is able to post good measurements I'm sure someone on AVS could simulate a crossover.

OK, I see. Seems foolish to me to purchase parts like these without a plan to use them, either learn and DIY or use an existing design. Bit rich expecting someone else to do it for him.
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