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post #4141 of 7535
Oops I better go order my CDs...

Edit: does login on the site actually work? I had already registered to order the waveguides, but when I try to login again to order the CDs, the login button doesn't seem to do anything.
Edited by Brad Horstkotte - 6/12/12 at 11:00am
post #4142 of 7535

What happened with the giveaway?

post #4143 of 7535
I'd imagine Erich is quite busy unpacking, boxing and shipping. He did mention bwaslo would do the drawing.
post #4144 of 7535
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Doesn't seem to have worked, judging by the two breakup peaks.

the treatments stiffen up the cone. that's what gives high Q breakup peaks.

Otherwise you would have a more broad breakup that starts earlier, with a lower Q.
post #4145 of 7535
I already did the drawing. Funny coincidence, I won all the prizes!
post #4146 of 7535
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Originally Posted by bwaslo View Post

I already did the drawing. Funny coincidence, I won all the prizes!
How convenient. rolleyes.gif
post #4147 of 7535
Erich, is it possible to ship via USPS (like you did with the MFW-15s)? I tried purchasing CDs to go along with my SEOS-12 preorder on the website, but there is only FedEx ground as a shipping option. Since I live in Hawaii, shipping 2 CDs via FedEx Ground was $52.41.
post #4148 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Oops I better go order my CDs...
Edit: does login on the site actually work? I had already registered to order the waveguides, but when I try to login again to order the CDs, the login button doesn't seem to do anything.


Login seems to work fine for me.




The give away will be done shortly. I think many people would be really surprised what a chunk of work this is! biggrin.gif I'm not complaining, but this is going to take longer than a few days. I'm hoping to get some friends or family to help out.

I'm trying to match up PM's with pre-orders from a month or so ago, and matching real names with screen names. Whether a person wanted any CD's, and what finish they wanted.

Then trying to keep up with the emails from others that did not pre-order but want there's "right now". rolleyes.gif I literally have almost 400 emails in the past 2 weeks, and that's no joke. I know some people are going to get mad when I can't reply to them in a timely fashion, but there's simply not enough time in the day to do that while packaging things up. But don't worry, I will get through this.

Oh, and I'm also opening up every single waveguide and looking it over, and testing every single compression driver.


Here's why I'm checking every waveguide: I think most people know this from seeing/using other waveguides, but I should mention it anyway. When waveguides are made (or any similar plastic product) they leave thin slivers or tabs where holes are suppose to be. This is done for screw holes and the actual hole at the base of the throat where the CD fires through. The manufacturer will pop out those tabs after the part is made, then the smooth out where the tabs were by lightly sanding. Some companies actually use a razor blade to cut it out, which looks pretty bad and uneven. I specifically asked for that not to be done and I'm happy to say it wasn't. I've probably got about 100 different manufactured waveguides from QSC to JBL and all in between. As BWaslo pointed out to me once, they normally look pretty rough because the manufacturer doesn't spend a lot of time to clean them up perfectly. Or they cut them very uneven. I think Bwaslo said he sanded his down on the JBL's.

Well the SEOS looks pretty darn good, but I'm still checking each one anyway......because I'm nuts. The glossy model uses a different type of plastic and seems to be cleaner/smoother where the tabs were. On all the models I looked at, I couldn't even see where the tabs had been. Pretty impressive. The matte finish ones use a slightly harder plastic and you can see where the tabs were a little better. The manufacturer did lightly clean it up where needed and they look good. If I see any portion of the tab still there, I'm hitting it with a sander just to be on the safe side. But I'm not going to go to crazy because these look really good compared to the rest I've seen. Plus it doesn't even matter anyway.

I should get photos because I think most people would think I was nuts to even inspect each one like this. But I'm going to do it anyway. If I can get some pictures, I will.
post #4149 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Maxjr View Post

Erich, is it possible to ship via USPS (like you did with the MFW-15s)? I tried purchasing CDs to go along with my SEOS-12 preorder on the website, but there is only FedEx ground as a shipping option. Since I live in Hawaii, shipping 2 CDs via FedEx Ground was $52.41.


Yes, shipping to Hawaii and Alaska are expensive, even with the FedEx account. I can drop them off with the postal service so you can get a cheaper rate.


I'm going to try and set up an account with the US Postal Service as soon as this slows down a bit. I'll probably get yours shipped before I set up that account.
post #4150 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Login seems to work fine for me.

It does work if you go to "My Account", but not if you get to the login from the ordering/checkout page. In any case, I was able to get in via "My Account" and order, so I'm set.
post #4151 of 7535

Time sure does fly by! Seems like yesterday the Seos was being designed and now things are now being shipped. Are you shipping items based on when they were first pre-ordered? How exactly are you selecting a winner for the give away? Random number generator? Names in a hat?

post #4152 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

It does work if you go to "My Account", but not if you get to the login from the ordering/checkout page. In any case, I was able to get in via "My Account" and order, so I'm set.


Let's just agree that YOU broke something! Please figure out how to fix it now! biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

Time sure does fly by! Seems like yesterday the Seos was being designed and now things are now being shipped. Are you shipping items based on when they were first pre-ordered? How exactly are you selecting a winner for the give away? Random number generator? Names in a hat?


I'll probably print out all the pre-order names, then let my 4 yr old niece cut each name out and fold it up. I'll take them out to BWaslo and he can pick the names. If he doesn't want to, then I'll just let my niece do it. I'll see if I can figure out how to take a video (minus Bwaslo's mug shot) of the drawing so everyone knows it was on the up and up.



I'm not shipping based on when a person pre-ordered (yet). I wish I could, but that would mean going straight down the list and sending emails back and forth, then moving to the next guy. Right now, anyone that has contacted me or got a CD and chose their waveguide finish is getting done first because I know exactly what they want and shipping has been calculated. So I can easily package it up, print the label and ship it out quickly. By the weekend I will start contacting each person on the list that I haven't heard from one by one.

Email #1: Do you want any of the CD's? If so, you can go to the website and get them and it will figure shipping. Shipping will be "free" on the waveguides because they don't add enough extra weight to change the price. If you don't want any of the CD's, please send me your shipping address so I can figure out shipping charges. Do you want matte or gloss finish? Please let me know if you want more waveguides than you pre-ordered. If you've contacted me on any forum, please let me know your screen name so I don't contact you a few more times with the same questions. biggrin.gif


If they don't want any CD's, then I will calculate shipping for the waveguides, send them another email to let them know and figure out if they still want them or not and how they want to pay for the shipping.


I can say that shipping just the waveguides will cost very close to shipping the waveguides and CD's because there isn't much of a price difference between 7lbs and 18lbs with the shipping companies.

No one has to order any CD's if they don't want them right now or ever. It's no big deal at all. I've got enough, so don't worry. I did have someone try and buy 26 of them 2 days ago. Uhhhhh......nope.....not right now sir. rolleyes.gif
post #4153 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Oops I better go order my CDs...
Edit: does login on the site actually work? I had already registered to order the waveguides, but when I try to login again to order the CDs, the login button doesn't seem to do anything.


Login seems to work fine for me.




The give away will be done shortly. I think many people would be really surprised what a chunk of work this is! biggrin.gif I'm not complaining, but this is going to take longer than a few days. I'm hoping to get some friends or family to help out.

I'm trying to match up PM's with pre-orders from a month or so ago, and matching real names with screen names. Whether a person wanted any CD's, and what finish they wanted.

Then trying to keep up with the emails from others that did not pre-order but want there's "right now". rolleyes.gif I literally have almost 400 emails in the past 2 weeks, and that's no joke. I know some people are going to get mad when I can't reply to them in a timely fashion, but there's simply not enough time in the day to do that while packaging things up. But don't worry, I will get through this.

Oh, and I'm also opening up every single waveguide and looking it over, and testing every single compression driver.


Here's why I'm checking every waveguide: I think most people know this from seeing/using other waveguides, but I should mention it anyway. When waveguides are made (or any similar plastic product) they leave thin slivers or tabs where holes are suppose to be. This is done for screw holes and the actual hole at the base of the throat where the CD fires through. The manufacturer will pop out those tabs after the part is made, then the smooth out where the tabs were by lightly sanding. Some companies actually use a razor blade to cut it out, which looks pretty bad and uneven. I specifically asked for that not to be done and I'm happy to say it wasn't. I've probably got about 100 different manufactured waveguides from QSC to JBL and all in between. As BWaslo pointed out to me once, they normally look pretty rough because the manufacturer doesn't spend a lot of time to clean them up perfectly. Or they cut them very uneven. I think Bwaslo said he sanded his down on the JBL's.

Well the SEOS looks pretty darn good, but I'm still checking each one anyway......because I'm nuts. The glossy model uses a different type of plastic and seems to be cleaner/smoother where the tabs were. On all the models I looked at, I couldn't even see where the tabs had been. Pretty impressive. The matte finish ones use a slightly harder plastic and you can see where the tabs were a little better. The manufacturer did lightly clean it up where needed and they look good. If I see any portion of the tab still there, I'm hitting it with a sander just to be on the safe side. But I'm not going to go to crazy because these look really good compared to the rest I've seen. Plus it doesn't even matter anyway.

I should get photos because I think most people would think I was nuts to even inspect each one like this. But I'm going to do it anyway. If I can get some pictures, I will.

Erich, you rock!!

In that case im kinda glad im still lagging on making a decision on which of your CDsi want....... Thatll give you some time to appease those chomping at the bit!

Oh, Congrats to Bwaslo on cleaning up the Drawing! :P
post #4154 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post


I'm trying to match up PM's with pre-orders from a month or so ago, and matching real names with screen names. Whether a person wanted any CD's, and what finish they wanted.
Then trying to keep up with the emails from others that did not pre-order but want there's "right now". rolleyes.gif I literally have almost 400 emails in the past 2 weeks, and that's no joke. I know some people are going to get mad when I can't reply to them in a timely fashion, but there's simply not enough time in the day to do that while packaging things up. But don't worry, I will get through this.

I admit I'm one of these. Although I wasn't mad. I have a small window of time to receive my order and know Erich is flooded with emails and tons of work. Despite this Erich was solid and has sent my order. Amazing work Erich. I just wanted to publicly thank you for your incredible responsiveness with all that's going on. Thanks.

Ryan
post #4155 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

FWIW I honestly think that RCF 15 should be an excellent choice for the most part.
Okay. Great. I really appreciate that. I just want efficiency that won't leave me noticing a lack of bandwidth without a subwoofer.
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

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Originally Posted by BBrinkman 
And furthermore, is it silly that I am planning on using the SEOS design for something as pedestrian as listening to LPs?
Of course not. If anything is silly, it's using a 10 watt amp. Single ended amps are a mess, whether they're clipping or not. That would be my only qualm.
Well, that was an extreme analog & tube scenario... i.e. my favored "classic" two-channel setup. It's not a single-ended setup as you have assumed, but that's neither here nor there. Most of the other time, I'm watching blu-rays and have a higher wattage Marantz I can use and will probably upgrade to a modern Pioneer receiver when a 5.1 setup looks more likely. Honestly though, most times, 10wpc is enough for the apartment complex I currently reside in, but that might not always be the case.

I didn't mean to derail this thread, I just felt like someone needed to ask about lower-wattage setups for the sake of any tubeophiles who had been eyeballing the SEOS but weren't sure if there were more efficient iterations of the project. Either way, I found myself wanting to support this very interesting project in some way, regardless of whether it was going to be "wasted" on my desired implementation. That's why I jumped in on the pre-order.

Thanks again for the advice. The TD15M does look super. If I can deal without a step-up in efficiency, the TD15M looks like an excellent alternative if a group-developed crossover is more likely.
Edited by BBrinkman - 6/12/12 at 4:36pm
post #4156 of 7535
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Thanks again for the advice. The TD15M does look super. If I can deal without a step-up in efficiency, the TD15M looks like an excellent alternative if a crossover is more likely.

The TD15M is a midrange at its heart, so you'll probably only get response down to around 60hz. The TD15S will go notably lower if you're not planning on using subs. It's got perfect parameters for a tapered TL, which gives it the added bonus of a smaller impedance peak, if your tubes create problems in that aspect. Might need 30 watts instead of 10, but I would always put the speaker first over the amp. Either way, 94db is nothing to scoff at.
Edited by Eternal Velocity - 6/12/12 at 5:01pm
post #4157 of 7535
I'm about to order 3x Seos Matte and 3x Denovo 360's... wondering what shipping company you would choose for Canada?
USPS has a nasty habit of adding a huge import fees.

Edit: Erich, you also mentioned that when / if flat packs and baffles are cut, they will be shipped alone because of the weight.
I'd imagine it doesn't matter when I order then? (drat wish I would have got in the drawing!)
Edited by Thatsnasty - 6/12/12 at 4:57pm
post #4158 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Thatsnasty View Post

wondering what shipping company you would choose for Canada?
USPS has a nasty habit of adding a huge import fees.

You must be thinking of UPS. They are brutal with import fees. USPS has always been the best option for me. Above FedEx also.
post #4159 of 7535
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

You must be thinking of UPS. They are brutal with import fees. USPS has always been the best option for me. Above FedEx also.

Yeah you're right! Fedex isn't too bad either since they include import fees... but sometimes the shipping alone just kills it.
post #4160 of 7535
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

I admit I'm one of these. Although I wasn't mad. I have a small window of time to receive my order and know Erich is flooded with emails and tons of work. Despite this Erich was solid and has sent my order. Amazing work Erich. I just wanted to publicly thank you for your incredible responsiveness with all that's going on. Thanks.
Ryan

Nope, you're not one of those. You did order some of the stuff before it arrived, so no big deal at all. I added some extra stuff to your order that I had laying around. Samples of this, samples of that. You might like some of it for testing.......then again, you might not! biggrin.gif
post #4161 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post


I'm going to try and set up an account with the US Postal Service as soon as this slows down a bit. I'll probably get yours shipped before I set up that account.

Thanks again, Erich! You are awesome! I look forward to your email and cant wait to listen to the SEOS waveguides and your CDs.

Cheers,
Joel M
post #4162 of 7535
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

You might like some of it for testing.......then again, you might not! biggrin.gif

I bet I'll enjoy it all biggrin.gif I love testing and designing. I'll have a blast.
post #4163 of 7535

Nice, my waveguides and DNA-360 were shipped today. Thanks!

 

Edit: Estimated delivery is June 16 biggrin.gif


Edited by Mrkazador - 6/13/12 at 2:55am
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

Nice, my waveguides and DNA-360 were shipped today. Thanks!

Edit: Estimated delivery is June 16 biggrin.gif



Mine will be here tomorrow.

Faster than Amazon Prime. biggrin.gif
post #4165 of 7535
I didn't get a shipping notification yet, I assume because Erich is trying to figure out how to pack all the free stuff I won into the boxes most efficiently. biggrin.gif
post #4166 of 7535
Bwaslo,

Would the delta 12LF be a drop in replacement for the Delta 12?

I see the FR is a bit different, but if one was to get a deal on some used would they work with your crossover?
post #4167 of 7535
Whoop whoop!! biggrin.gif

I got my stuff. Erich, you're a king! This stuff is awesome. I got tons of smaller waveguides and compression drivers for small builds. If anyone is interested in SEOS 6 and the small Denovo stuff, I hope to start work on some of it right away. I'll probably start a thread on diysoundgroup to document it all and keep track of what I've done. I'll hopefully have a few designs shortly. All of them will be in the 0.75cu.ft. and under range.

Oh and my daughter (2 yrs) loved the shipping box biggrin.gif
post #4168 of 7535
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

Whoop whoop!! biggrin.gif
I got my stuff. Erich, you're a king! This stuff is awesome. I got tons of smaller waveguides and compression drivers for small builds. If anyone is interested in SEOS 6 and the small Denovo stuff, I hope to start work on some of it right away. I'll probably start a thread on diysoundgroup to document it all and keep track of what I've done. I'll hopefully have a few designs shortly. All of them will be in the 0.75cu.ft. and under range.
Oh and my daughter (2 yrs) loved the shipping box biggrin.gif


That's awesome!

LOL...My son always asked for the shipping boxes when the UPS/FedEx men come.
post #4169 of 7535
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

...I'll probably start a thread on diysoundgroup to document it all and keep track of what I've done...

Very good idea. As soon as all these SEOS builds start happening, this place could get flooded with build threads and become a total cluster.

-Nate
post #4170 of 7535
I would love to see a time lapse of Erich and friends grinding through the piles of boxes right now. smile.gif
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