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post #5371 of 7512
10/20/12 at 7:32am
Re: poured issues.

Then I'll change my interest to a pair of black Iwata 600
Edited by bg40403 - 10/20/12 at 7:41am
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post #5372 of 7512
10/20/12 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

There might be an issue with the poured concrete resin models. They are no longer offering them with a gloss finish, and only matte white color. They said if you want gloss finish, you have to get the fiberglass model. That's a bummer.
Is there a reason the buyer can't just spray paint it after purchase to address his or her individual needs (e.g. color, gloss, etc.)?
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post #5373 of 7512
10/20/12 at 10:26am
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Do you guys think it makes any sense for a high end model with a 15" woofer? Maybe JBL, FaitalPro, B&C, or something else?
JBL 2226H
http://www.usspeaker.com/JBL%202226h-1.htm
Maybe one of these Faital Pro's (both have demodulation rings)
http://www.usspeaker.com/faital%20pro%2015FX560-1.htm
http://www.usspeaker.com/faital%20pro%2015FH520-1.htm
Any B&C's?
Is there any interest in something like that?
Considering the number of AE 15" drivers that were purchased in the GB, should they not also be considered? You may have a number of customers just waiting to try a high-end design using that driver.
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post #5374 of 7512
10/20/12 at 11:19am
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Considering the number of AE 15" drivers that were purchased in the GB, should they not also be considered? You may have a number of customers just waiting to try a high-end design using that driver.

Totally agree!
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post #5375 of 7512
10/20/12 at 2:06pm
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Considering the number of AE 15" drivers that were purchased in the GB, should they not also be considered? You may have a number of customers just waiting to try a high-end design using that driver.

I wouldn't say there are any 'customers' here right now, but I understand what you mean.

The problem is that we really don't know how easy it will be to get those in the future, so getting a flat pack box and design made up for those might not be the best way to spend the group buy funds. I'm sure someone will certainly design a crossover for the AE 15 at some point though. But I'm thinking more along the lines of a full kit.
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post #5376 of 7512
10/20/12 at 5:19pm
For whatever 15" designs there are I hope there's surrounds to go with it
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post #5377 of 7512
10/20/12 at 7:46pm
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For whatever 15" designs there are I hope there's surrounds to go with it


So what you aren't going to run identical matching surrounds smile.gif
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post #5378 of 7512
10/20/12 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by ehoeft View Post

For whatever 15" designs there are I hope there's surrounds to go with it


So what you aren't going to run identical matching surrounds smile.gif
I don't think that would pass with the wife:)
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post #5379 of 7512
10/20/12 at 8:39pm
Think she would notice surrounds using a 15" woofer ??
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post #5380 of 7512
10/20/12 at 11:31pm
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Think she would notice surrounds using a 15" woofer ??

Naaaah - just recess them flush with the walls, with bump outs to the adjacent rooms - then put potted plants on top of the bump outs.
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post #5381 of 7512
10/21/12 at 12:29pm
I haven't seen any surround designs or threads with builds of surrounds. What are people thinking of doing?
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post #5382 of 7512
10/21/12 at 2:14pm
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I haven't seen any surround designs or threads with builds of surrounds. What are people thinking of doing?

I'm gathering the parts for my SEOS surround build. Once I get cranking I'll start a build thread.

Here are the specs:

SEOS12
DNA-350
Delta 10A
DIY Sound Group .75 cu ft flat pack

I'm going to mount them on the wall with a flat panel wall bracket: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1417294/seos12-2512-build/300#post_22363397

More to come...
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post #5383 of 7512
10/21/12 at 2:25pm
SEOS-10 or Auto-Tech AT-1 waveguide with BMS-4550 and AE td10m in 0.5 cu. ft., 60Hz front slot port, f3 ~80Hz. Hey, and thanks again for loaning your driver to Bill for measurement, pgwalsh. That was super cool!
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post #5384 of 7512
10/21/12 at 2:44pm
There are some other surrounds coming that also use different waveguides. I call them surrounds because they're fairly small, but they will be able to put out enough volume to be used as mains if someone wanted to go that route. The line up starts with 6" woofers and goes all the way up to 15" with everything in between. It's quite the undertaking, but it should be neat to see how much can be done in about a month. No doubt the designers have worked hard, and Bwaslo is going to also help draw up some crossover layouts for the actual boards.

I'm debating if I should put up some type of "donation" button that will let people put money up right now to help get all of this done, then they can apply that towards anything they might order. So I guess it's not really a donation, but not sure what else it should be called. Might be a little weird though.

I'm going to try and get as many of these done as possible with what I've set aside. The thing I'd like to do that might not get done would be actual crossover boards for many of the designs. The expense might be a bit too much right now. I'm open for any suggestions though.
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post #5385 of 7512
10/21/12 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

There are some other surrounds coming that also use different waveguides. I call them surrounds because they're fairly small, but they will be able to put out enough volume to be used as mains if someone wanted to go that route. The line up starts with 6" woofers and goes all the way up to 15" with everything in between. It's quite the undertaking, but it should be neat to see how much can be done in about a month. No doubt the designers have worked hard, and Bwaslo is going to also help draw up some crossover layouts for the actual boards.
I'm debating if I should put up some type of "donation" button that will let people put money up right now to help get all of this done, then they can apply that towards anything they might order. So I guess it's not really a donation, but not sure what else it should be called. Might be a little weird though.
I'm going to try and get as many of these done as possible with what I've set aside. The thing I'd like to do that might not get done would be actual crossover boards for many of the designs. The expense might be a bit too much right now. I'm open for any suggestions though.


Erich,

Here's a thought. What if you create a "platinum club" (a la Medallion Level) where if you contribute you get early dibs on the new stuff and "expedited" service. At a minimum, this gives us in the community a way to "give back". We all know that you aren't doing this at a profit (probably a loss) and beyond paying back you and your designers, this give us way to help pave the way to new designs and stuff.

Count me in...

Java
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post #5386 of 7512
10/21/12 at 3:30pm
That's a neat idea Java.

Off topic a bit. I feel like everyone wants something different. A million people with a million different ideas. How does Erich know what to get made up. I personally like the smaller stuff. It's good enough. Others wanta JBL 2226 design. Everything in between. Would be nice to get some uniformity.

Brad, interesting idea with the in-wall think... I'm doing an in-wall build currently wink.gif No 15" though eek.gif
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post #5387 of 7512
10/21/12 at 6:42pm
I'm a newbie DIY speaker builder, but have caught the bug.

For my first project I'm thinking a set for the front L/C/R.
With my first effort being a Malcolm for my center channel.

Has anyone else built the Malcolm? if so; any comments or pointers?
Erich; sending you a PM now.
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post #5388 of 7512
10/21/12 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I'm debating if I should put up some type of "donation" button that will let people put money up right now to help get all of this done, then they can apply that towards anything they might order. So I guess it's not really a donation, but not sure what else it should be called. Might be a little weird though.

I'm going to try and get as many of these done as possible with what I've set aside. The thing I'd like to do that might not get done would be actual crossover boards for many of the designs. The expense might be a bit too much right now. I'm open for any suggestions though.


I'd donate (as in actually donate). There is appreciated work happening here. :-)

I'd like to get some SEOS-12 (plastic matte) action in Australia. What do I need to do?
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post #5389 of 7512
10/22/12 at 6:59am
There is certainly some impressive work (and research) here, that should be recognized!
I will also be waiting for that donation button smile.gif
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post #5390 of 7512
10/23/12 at 5:40am
Someone send me an email and made a good point. It wouldn't really be a "donation", it would be more of a pre-payment towards your next order.
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post #5391 of 7512
10/23/12 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Someone send me an email and made a good point. It wouldn't really be a "donation", it would be more of a pre-payment towards your next order.

Yes. The way you worded it on the web site is more of a pre-order/investment than donation. Either approach (or both) are cool.
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post #5392 of 7512
10/23/12 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Someone send me an email and made a good point. It wouldn't really be a "donation", it would be more of a pre-payment towards your next order.

 

 

Good Idea. 

 

DIY Sound Cooperative.

 

Copied from Wiki:

 

A cooperative ("coop"), co-operative ("co-op"), or coöperative ("coöp") is an autonomous association of persons who voluntarily cooperate for their mutual social, economic, and cultural benefit

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post #5393 of 7512
10/23/12 at 9:17am
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pre-paid accounts/donation button. i'm not a big fan of that idea. the amount will be small and the source of funds unreliable.

have you looked into some sort of inventory financing/revolving line of credit?

prime rate right now is around 3.5%, so even with a 4% premium (not sure what you would get quoted), that is still only 7%. if you turn the inventory over 4 times per year, the additional cost on each item is 7%/4 = 1.75%. you would add the 1.75% onto the price of the goods sold, so you break even. from a customer perspective, a 1.75% premium to have all items in stock would be much preferred to sitting around for three-six months waiting for an out of stock group buy item to become available again.

what people of miss with this kind of stuff is the lost sales because you can't see what you would have sold had the stuff been in inventory. if not in inventory, a lot of folks will just say "f- it" and choose something else.

also, make sure that your inventory is insured.
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post #5394 of 7512
10/23/12 at 12:50pm
What about Kickstarter or something of the like? I don't know that much about it but sounds like modeling it after that would take care of a lot of the legal in donation vs. prepayment idea.

Erich - while I don't know THAT much about speakers but am learning as I go, are there any near future plans for towers 48inches and up in height? Possibly with a matching center suitable for living rooms?
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post #5395 of 7512
10/23/12 at 1:11pm
I think I like the suggestion of a Club Membership and or prepaid order system, but the prepay people get a slight discount and you charge extra for the design etc. So if you prepay on a an item that costs $100 plus shipping you'd pay $110, but if you didn't prepay you might pay $130. That way at minimum you have $10 per unit to split with you, employee and designer and at best $30. Membership people could get something in-between if they don't prepay etc.
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post #5396 of 7512
10/23/12 at 1:42pm
With virtually NO holes to poke in the 2226 or the AE15's I would say both are a good starting point as they are some of the flagship drivers for their particular style. The Faital and B&C drivers would be nice too, but not as many folks have those already, even though they may be just as capable...
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post #5397 of 7512
10/23/12 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

pre-paid accounts/donation button. i'm not a big fan of that idea. the amount will be small and the source of funds unreliable.
have you looked into some sort of inventory financing/revolving line of credit?
prime rate right now is around 3.5%, so even with a 4% premium (not sure what you would get quoted), that is still only 7%. if you turn the inventory over 4 times per year, the additional cost on each item is 7%/4 = 1.75%. you would add the 1.75% onto the price of the goods sold, so you break even. .

The problem with this is that banks aren't really loaning money very easy right now. And my guess is that none are going to loan some Joe Schmoe $20k - $30k to buy speaker boxes and parts. biggrin.gif


But there's no need to worry, I'm going to hammer through these projects full speed ahead and get as many done as I can. I'm in this for the long haul no matter what, and not a chance of letting anyone down at this point.

I was just hoping to do more crossover boards. But I think they would be close to $800+ per design. Maybe I can just get 4-5 of them made up for certain speakers.


SLVRM3, there are some tower options coming. I don't want to go into too many details on those right now.
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post #5398 of 7512
10/23/12 at 2:51pm
One way to limit the investment (and risk) is to not stock the woofers or crossover components unless they are highly discounted and used across multiple designs. Anyone can order parts from PE or a dozen other places. Focus on the unique items like the SEOS waveguides and flatpacks that can't be sourced elsewhere. I know that complete kits are very attractive but what % of your potential customers are actually going to be turned off by placing a second order?
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post #5399 of 7512
10/23/12 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by mobeer4don View Post

One way to limit the investment (and risk) is to not stock the woofers or crossover components unless they are highly discounted and used across multiple designs. Anyone can order parts from PE or a dozen other places. Focus on the unique items like the SEOS waveguides and flatpacks that can't be sourced elsewhere. I know that complete kits are very attractive but what % of your potential customers are actually going to be turned off by placing a second order?
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post #5400 of 7512
10/23/12 at 3:21pm
Look what I found for boards. Free design software and the boards are made in small orders. If the files were posted people could even order their own directly. It looks pretty hassle free. http://www.expresspcb.com/ What do you think?
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