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post #5761 of 9857
If there are enough 2226 owners / to be owners out there, why not someone send the woofer to a designer who's willng to do it. Publish the design and go from there. Most don't NEED a kit. You can just source the XO parts and even buy the blank baffle.

BTW, Brad Horstekke (spelling?) is using the 2226J, although he hasn't said much about it. And I know Coctostan is working a bit with that behind the scenes. It may be adaptable to the 2226J with a little tweaking if someone were willing to spend a few bucks on some trial cross overs. I alluded to that in Brad's thread when Louisdamani asked about it, but nobody has mentioned it since. Maybe pester Brad about nailing down his thoughts on it, then an adaptation could be tried.
post #5762 of 9857
Spec4,

You may want to check out this build thread...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1422024/seos-12-dna-360-jbl-2226-j-build
post #5763 of 9857
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

If there are enough 2226 owners / to be owners out there, why not someone send the woofer to a designer who's willng to do it. Publish the design and go from there. Most don't NEED a kit. You can just source the XO parts and even buy the blank baffle........



+1

Bill did the same thing for the AE TD12M. There are enough talented designers on these boards to whip up a decent cross-over design for the 2226.

The purpose of a 'Flat Pack' is a COMPLETE do it yourself kit that's ready to assemble. You definitely don't want to make a half kit, where the user/buyer is responsible for chasing after used parts to complete the the other half of the kit.
post #5764 of 9857
"If there are enough 2226 owners / to be owners out there, why not someone send the woofer to a designer who's willng to do it. Publish the design and go from there. Most don't NEED a kit. You can just source the XO parts and even buy the blank baffle.

BTW, Brad Horstekke (spelling?) is using the 2226J, although he hasn't said much about it. And I know Coctostan is working a bit with that behind the scenes. It may be adaptable to the 2226J with a little tweaking if someone were willing to spend a few bucks on some trial cross overs. I alluded to that in Brad's thread when Louisdamani asked about it, but nobody has mentioned it since. Maybe pester Brad about nailing down his thoughts on it, then an adaptation could be tried."

I have the 2226H to send to a potential XO designer. I Would be willing to try an adapted XO also. My only issue is I've never measered with REW or anything electronically. Just a spl meter and paper.
post #5765 of 9857
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Originally Posted by louisdamani View Post

I have the 2226H to send to a potential XO designer. I Would be willing to try an adapted XO also.

Well, I have an adapted cross over for Brad's build that would "work" with the H. But it's a gamble ($50 worth of xo parts). Or if you can find a designer, that's the better bet. I'd do it (might even have an evclosure ready to go) but I'm in Canada, so shipping a 2226 would be mega $.
post #5766 of 9857
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

The purpose of a 'Flat Pack' is a COMPLETE do it yourself kit that's ready to assemble. You definitely don't want to make a half kit, where the user/buyer is responsible for chasing after used parts to complete the the other half of the kit.

This. I can totally understand if Erich feels the SEOS kit section isn't complete without at least one JBL and one Acoustic Elegance since people are going to be drawn to those drivers by reputation alone, but it's goofy IMHO to offer a kit for a driver that most will want to buy used off ebay, or for a driver with a 15 month lead time.

Have links on the storefront page though, so people can be aware that crossovers are available.
post #5767 of 9857
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I have the 2226H to send to a potential XO designer. I Would be willing to try an adapted XO also.

I would be willing to do it also, and am even working on a 15 "+ SEOS-12 enclosure right now that looks like it will fit the 2226H well.
post #5768 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I understand that used JBL's can be found, but I really don't want to get into a design that basically says "Here's everything you need for the kit, now go find a used woofer somewhere on Ebay or Craigslist to complete it." I can see problems with that down the road where someone buys a used woofer with issues, gets frustrated, then no longer wants to build the kit and somehow it comes back on me.

To say that the 2206H can be found is an understatement; it's been the go-to 12" in pro audio for decades, and there are *always* used ones on ebay.

If there's a problem, there's recourse through ebay/paypal.

New ones can be gotten here for $319 http://www.speakerfactory.net/ , and while a bit more than the TD12M, IMO it hasn't been proven that the latter is better.

And I have a lot more faith that the JBL and parts for it will be available in the future.
post #5769 of 9857
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

BTW, Brad Horstekke (spelling?) is using the 2226J, although he hasn't said much about it. And I know Coctostan is working a bit with that behind the scenes. It may be adaptable to the 2226J with a little tweaking if someone were willing to spend a few bucks on some trial cross overs. I alluded to that in Brad's thread when Louisdamani asked about it, but nobody has mentioned it since. Maybe pester Brad about nailing down his thoughts on it, then an adaptation could be tried.

Hi guys - I've been spending more time watching movies and listening to music lately, vs. updating my build thread - quite happy with how the speakers came out. Let me know if anyone has any specific questions I can help with, I'm not very gifted I'm afraid when it comes to waxing poetic about what speakers sound like.
post #5770 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Hi guys - I've been spending more time watching movies and listening to music lately, vs. updating my build thread - quite happy with how the speakers came out. Let me know if anyone has any specific questions I can help with, I'm not very gifted I'm afraid when it comes to waxing poetic about what speakers sound like.
Super happy or just quite happy. :P Are you stoked?
post #5771 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Let me know if anyone has any specific questions I can help with, .

I think THE question would be, is it good enough that it would be worth someone trying an 8ohm adapted version. The cross over you have is measured and listened to by you only. No poetry needed (please), just critical thoughts wink.gif

I think if MTG-90 has a box built, that's the way to go. Just the cost of shipping and a little more time. The box is the biggest issue, and if he's got that, then most of the work is done.
post #5772 of 9857

With all the different designs coming out, are most/all of these receiver friendly? From the graphs that have been posted, the impedance drops to 4ohms on certain frequencies. Is this going to be a problem for receivers that are rated 6-8ohms? I'm thinking most of these designs are so efficient that it won't put a big strain on the amp to get loud.

post #5773 of 9857
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Originally Posted by mtg90 View Post

I would be willing to do it also, and am even working on a 15 "+ SEOS-12 enclosure right now that looks like it will fit the 2226H well.

If you want to do the XO for the 2226H when can I send it to you? smile.gif Seriously though what else would you need beside the woofer and can you give an active XO also?
post #5774 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

With all the different designs coming out, are most/all of these receiver friendly? From the graphs that have been posted, the impedance drops to 4ohms on certain frequencies. Is this going to be a problem for receivers that are rated 6-8ohms? I'm thinking most of these designs are so efficient that it won't put a big strain on the amp to get loud.

Likely none of these designs would strain a 6 to 9ohm receiver. I haven't seen many impedance plots to be honest. Even if they dip to 4ohms, that's not a big deal. Commercial speakers (even rated at 8ohm) will do this. What's more important is at what frequency does it occur and at what kind of phase angle. If it dropped to 4 ohms at 150hz then the amp is going to see that low load often.
post #5775 of 9857
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Originally Posted by louisdamani View Post

If you want to do the XO for the 2226H when can I send it to you? smile.gif Seriously though what else would you need beside the woofer and can you give an active XO also?

I have the passive side covered but have not done any active stuff yet, so that would be my weakness. Maybe when I measure the drivers I can send the files to tux if he doees not mind and see what he can do with them on that side. What do you think tux?

Woofer would be all I need, I have the 360/SEOS-12. If that sounds good PM me and I'll get you my address.
post #5776 of 9857
Sounds fine by me. If I know your passive transfer functions I can dial in the active the same way. BTW, active is really easy. Check out the right hand side of the PCD spreadsheet. And a minidsp is well worth the money.

Sweet! People are going to finally get a 2226 design biggrin.gif

I'll post my frankenstein 16ohm -> 8ohm version once yours comes out and see how close (off) I was wink.gif
post #5777 of 9857
I mentioned earlier that I would get the JBL model done, I just wasn't sure if you guys wanted another 12" model, or the 15".

I know someone that said they would do it, we just needed to decide if it's going to be JBL or another brand, and what size.

Dennis Murphy is waiting for us to pick a woofer.
post #5778 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Let me know if anyone has any specific questions I can help with, I'm not very gifted I'm afraid when it comes to waxing poetic about what speakers sound like.

I have a question. Why haven't I seen your waveguide reviews on the website yet????


If anyone has used them or the compression drivers, or the flat packs, or anything else, some reviews would certainly help and would only take a minute or so. People keep forgetting to do that, so new members to the site question whether some things are good or not.

It's hard to believe all those waveguides and CD's went out....with not one review! frown.gif Same with the Anarchy TH and some of the other stuff. It would certainly help make the whole project have more credibility.
post #5779 of 9857
Uh-oh, we got busted. I am guilty. I will do this now.
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I have a question. Why haven't I seen your waveguide reviews on the website yet????
If anyone has used them or the compression drivers, or the flat packs, or anything else, some reviews would certainly help and would only take a minute or so. People keep forgetting to do that, so new members to the site question whether some things are good or not.
It's hard to believe all those waveguides and CD's went out....with not one review! frown.gif Same with the Anarchy TH and some of the other stuff. It would certainly help make the whole project have more credibility.
post #5780 of 9857
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

Sounds fine by me. If I know your passive transfer functions I can dial in the active the same way. BTW, active is really easy. Check out the right hand side of the PCD spreadsheet. And a minidsp is well worth the money.
Sweet! People are going to finally get a 2226 design biggrin.gif
I'll post my frankenstein 16ohm -> 8ohm version once yours comes out and see how close (off) I was wink.gif

I knew PCD had that in there I guess I'll have to check that out this time. I will still send the files you way as well.

Yes the minidsp is on my wishlist, I just have not convinced myself to get one yet as there always seems to be some other audio related thing to spend my money on rolleyes.gif
post #5781 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I have a question. Why haven't I seen your waveguide reviews on the website yet????
If anyone has used them or the compression drivers, or the flat packs, or anything else, some reviews would certainly help and would only take a minute or so. People keep forgetting to do that, so new members to the site question whether some things are good or not.
It's hard to believe all those waveguides and CD's went out....with not one review! frown.gif Same with the Anarchy TH and some of the other stuff. It would certainly help make the whole project have more credibility.

Still waiting for my td12m's and for you to sell a flat pack for the aforementioned speakers wink.gif.
post #5782 of 9857
Erich is going to hate me for it but I needed to share! eek.gifbiggrin.giftongue.gif


Edited by mtg90 - 11/27/12 at 5:42pm
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post #5784 of 9857
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Originally Posted by mtg90 View Post

Erich is going to hate me for it but I needed to share! eek.gifbiggrin.giftongue.gif



OMG....... Que disco music!
post #5785 of 9857
simply amazing
post #5786 of 9857
Oh. Yeah. smile.gif
post #5787 of 9857
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I have a question. Why haven't I seen your waveguide reviews on the website yet????
If anyone has used them or the compression drivers, or the flat packs, or anything else, some reviews would certainly help and would only take a minute or so. People keep forgetting to do that, so new members to the site question whether some things are good or not.
It's hard to believe all those waveguides and CD's went out....with not one review! frown.gif Same with the Anarchy TH and some of the other stuff. It would certainly help make the whole project have more credibility.

Where do you want the reviews placed?
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post #5788 of 9857
Click on: http://www.diysoundgroup.com/plastic-seos-12/plastic-seos.html and then more info and add review. smile.gif
post #5789 of 9857
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Originally Posted by robotbunny View Post

Click on: http://www.diysoundgroup.com/plastic-seos-12/plastic-seos.html and then more info and add review. smile.gif

Thank you and done.
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post #5790 of 9857
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Originally Posted by mtg90 View Post

I knew PCD had that in there I guess I'll have to check that out

ACD is even better, but really only for advanced active modules and is a major brain pain to use.
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