Originally Posted by LTD02
i know designing a crossover takes work, but so do a lot of other things folks do to help each other out around here. even wayne parham offers his plans for free to diy'ers. zilch would probably turnover in his grave to see such a great collective effort end in a secret crossover.
i'm not saying that either perspective is right or wrong, just sharing an altervative view.
and, i suspect that most folks will buy the kits anyways, so it really doesn't matter. :-)
**** There are no secret crossovers. ****
Again, I'm not hoarding crossovers. But I'm not going to openly post someones crossover work. I have no problem posting mine if someone wants to print it on their pillow so they can sleep better at night, but I'm not going to post one from someone else. It's not my right to do that. I really don't know how else I can say it. Should I post the cut sheets for Bill Fitzmaurice's speakers?
There are quite a few SEOS designs that have already been openly posted......and I didn't post those either. It really bothers me that someone makes one comment saying 'I don't want to buy the woofer from you, I don't want the kit from you, I don't want the parts from you, I just want the crossover'............. before I even have a chance to get the kit listed on the site
........and now I've become some type of crazy man keeping secret designs to himself.
I think your comment about Zilch was a bit much. Zilch did indeed plan on making and getting donation money from the designs he was going to be tweaking. That was one reason why he was about to start a new website.
And what should I tell some designers that worked hard so people would donate money to their favorite charity? Do you really think everyone that builds 5 speakers is going to say "Oh, I better not forget to donate $50 to that charity in the name of so and so, once I remember how to do it." I can assure you, it would be extremely rare. It's MUCH easier to add $10 to the kit. Getting the plastic waveguide and CD save each person over $150 per speaker. And I'm glad I was able to get that done. Is it that crazy hoping $10 towards a designer or designer's charity would be okay?
To me, this has all gotten ridiculous. I lost track of the amount invested in this project when it exceeded $35k. And that was a while ago. Keep in mind, that doesn't count the compression drivers, or flat packs, or the sample woofers, crossover boards, etc, etc. I've never asked for donations for myself, and I'm not doing that now.
The ONLY thing that I'm asking.......after all of this.......is that a VERY small donation is added to each kit that goes *NOT TO ME*, but directly to the designer that worked hard on a crossover, as a way to say thanks. None of them asked for it, but I thought it was the right thing to do as a community. Doesn't that sound like a great idea?
But I guess somehow because I haven't openly posted just one of these crossovers (that's not even mine), I must be a crazy DIY audio nut trying to keep all of this secret. If anyone saw what my shop looked like, knew the hours invested, and realized how hard I've worked on this project and others, I wouldn't be looked at as selfish, but certainly a nut.
Myself and the designers have been working hard for the past month to get all these kits ready. They're listed on the site. I'll box them up if the orders are placed. If you pay by check, it will save you a 3% Paypal fee. If you stop by and pick them up, it will save you $3-$4 for packing material and you'll save the free shipping amount I figured in. If you don't want to donate to the designer, or designer's charity, I'll subtract that $10 off as well.Edited by Erich H - 12/6/12 at 7:08am