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post #6481 of 9844
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Originally Posted by JackNC View Post

Hi Wayne:
What placemetns do you recommend for the multisubs used in conjunction with corner horn in a simpel rectangular room (e.g. 16' x 23')? The other two corners?
Thanks.
Jack

And don't forget about the other corners besides wall-wall boundaries: there's floor-wall and wall-ceiling (like soffet traps) too. :)

post #6482 of 9844
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Originally Posted by JackNC View Post

Hi Wayne:
What placemetns do you recommend for the multisubs used in conjunction with corner horn in a simpel rectangular room (e.g. 16' x 23')? The other two corners?

Yes, I would probably choose the other two corners, if available. But I think it is likely they wouldn't be, because symmetrical rooms are rare. The good news is when four bass sound sources are used, it almost doesn't matter where you put them.

You could model the room with CARA to analyze and optimize your placement, verifying your results with measurements. That would be the best approach. But again, once you get to four sources, you can put them just about anywhere and get good results as long as they aren't grouped together.
post #6483 of 9844
Eminence has just changed specs of Deltalite 2512:

http://www.eminence.com/speakers/speaker-detail/?model=DeltaliteII_2512
post #6484 of 9844
On the advice of others : I am using delta lights for my build. I can't tell from this link which specs changed? And did they change for the better, or....?
post #6485 of 9844

What do you guys think of my idea for a grill for the Tempest kit.

 

For the woofer I'll use this 12" grill covered in grill cloth to match my subs.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=262-864

 

 

For the horn, I plan to "wrap" the waveguide in the same cloth. Sort of like a sock. It should be held in place when I screw the waveguide into the baffle. I'll also use speaker gasket to make a nice tight seal. Will there be any problems using the steel grill on the woofer? The grill is 12.125 outside diameter and the woofer is 12.38... I don't know if that is going to be a problem.

 

A question about the crossover for the kits. How do we know if we have built the crossover correctly? Is a layout going to be provided because I had trouble building Lilmike's mic but I eventually got it tongue.gif I could measure it with an Audyssey mic or my Radioshack meter but those are not very accurate.


Edited by Mrkazador - 1/11/13 at 12:47pm
post #6486 of 9844
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Originally Posted by fakamada View Post

Eminence has just changed specs of Deltalite 2512:

http://www.eminence.com/speakers/speaker-detail/?model=DeltaliteII_2512

I see no difference between these and the ones I downloaded on 12.13.2007.

GM
post #6487 of 9844
Just received my delta light 2512 flat-pack kits from Erich :-). :-)

THank You Erich !!!

Will be having some fun in about a week (traveling until then)
post #6488 of 9844
Just compare specs from the link and specs from spec sheet. They differ. For example Fs in spec sheet is 37hz (as it always used to be) but on the site it's 43,52hz. Other parameters are also different. Maybe it is just a mistake because some parametets seem odd to me. Like mms. It is too low IMHO for 12" with 2.5" voice coil.
post #6489 of 9844
Thread Starter 
that is strange. the html specs have changed. the pdf specs are the old ones.
post #6490 of 9844
A couple of new pcitures what can be done with Autotech horns.










post #6491 of 9844
Those are all spectacular designs. They'd looks great in a modern home.
post #6492 of 9844
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask or not, but I do want to make this a public inquiry rather than private.

I seem to recall that the people most involved with SEOS horns see the speakers built with them as an extension of the Econowave, which was pioneered by Evan Flavell, Chris Becker and Jack Giff, among others. The Econowave approach was to retrofit existing loudspeakers using a DI-matched two-way paradigm, similar to my three Pi and four Pi loudspeakers.

Along the way, Jack Giff designed a crossover based on my crossover documents. A printed circuit board was made, and offered at moderate cost. Thus began a strong cooperative relationship between Pi Speakers and Econowave enthusiasts, who were largely the same bunch of folks.

Last I talked to Chris Becker, he was taking over the sales of Econowave crossovers and was planning to maintain a Zilchlab.com and Econowave.com websites to carry on the tradition. But I sense he is having some difficulty in this, since the Econowave.com and Zilchlab.com domains both resolve to the same place, which appears to be a generic landing zone. There also seems to have been some problem paying for the maintenance of "Zilchlab", which I would personally like to see mended.

So this is my question: Since the SEOS speakers got their footing from Econowave, and since the diysoundgroup.com website has now transitioned into a business, don't you think it would be good to funnel some of the funds to support Chris' efforts to maintain Evan Flavell's legacy?

Erich has mentioned several times that he pays the designers, and I think it is more than apprpriate that the company maintain the Zilchlab.com and Econowave.com websites and its physical storage too. Might be good to work something out with Chris to do something with the original Econowave circuit boards as well.

If Chris doesn't want to get involved with diysoundgroup, perhaps he should just be given a monthly payment to cover his costs for maintaining the Zlichlab.com websites and provide the crossover boards.

I mean, if you're gonna support the talent, wouldn't this be a first step?
post #6493 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post


So this is my question: Since the SEOS speakers got their footing from Econowave, and since the diysoundgroup.com website has now transitioned into a business, don't you think it would be good to funnel some of the funds to support Chris' efforts to maintain Evan Flavell's legacy?

Erich has mentioned several times that he pays the designers, and I think it is more than apprpriate that the company maintain the Zilchlab.com and Econowave.com websites and its physical storage too. Might be good to work something out with Chris to do something with the original Econowave circuit boards as well.

If Chris doesn't want to get involved with diysoundgroup, perhaps he should just be given a monthly payment to cover his costs for maintaining the Zlichlab.com websites and provide the crossover boards.

I mean, if you're gonna support the talent, wouldn't this be a first step?


DIY Sound Group has not transitioned into a business. It's no different now than it was last year......except I'm helping box up a lot more things! But it might eventually turn into a business. If and when it does, this will be the first place I mention it.

I don't pay the designers to actually design anything. People ordering the kits are donating money to the designers when they order.

None of the current kits offered were designed by Zilch, or use his L-Pad/crossover type set up, or designed to fit the printed crossover board that Chris has. That board was designed as a generic style board and serves it's purpose as such. Any boards we make up will be made specifically for certain speakers.

I've already talked to Chris quite a few times in the past. If and when a previous Zilch design is made into a kit, there will be designer fees added in and donated directly to the Lung Cancer Association. I will post the actual receipt from the donation when it's done. There is a kit being worked on, but it doesn't use the SEOS. It's not listed for sale yet because I don't have all the costs figured out: http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/seos-zilch10-kit.html When I get the costs figured out, I will contact Chris to see how much he thinks should be added and sent to the Lung Cancer Association.

I'm not sure why there would be any money sent directly to Chris, and I doubt he would take it anyway. Chris is a great guy, but why do you think DIY Sound Group should pay a monthly payment to someone else for maintaining someone else's website? DIY Sound Group has or will have many more speakers and subwoofers than just waveguide speakers. If Chris has a speaker design that tests good (waveguide or not) and wants me to help make it a kit, I would be glad to help. Then he could get money, or donate it to a charity.

Zilch did not design the SEOS, and he passed away before all the other sizes were completed. So he was never able to use it in any speaker. The SEOS was designed to to replace and ultimately improve the QSC horn. While the prototyping process was going on, Zilch and I discussed some things we hoped to do in the future. He was going to be one of the people to help design speakers around the SEOS because of how nice they were turning out. But sadly, he passed away before that happened. The other designers have continued, and their speakers are listed.
Edited by Erich H - 1/12/13 at 12:30pm
post #6494 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

.......why do you think DIY Sound Group should pay a monthly payment to someone else for maintaining someone else's website? .....


This also got me scratching my head.......
post #6495 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I don't pay the designers to actually design anything. People ordering the kits are donating money to the designers when they order.
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I've already talked to Chris quite a few times in the past. If and when a previous Zilch design is made into a kit, there will be designer fees added in and donated directly to the Lung Cancer Association. I will post the actual receipt from the donation when it's done. There is a kit being worked on, but it doesn't use the SEOS. It's not listed for sale yet because I don't have all the costs figured out: http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/seos-zilch10-kit.html When I get the costs figured out, I will contact Chris to see how much he thinks should be added and sent to the Lung Cancer Association.
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Chris is a great guy, but why do you think DIY Sound Group should pay a monthly payment to someone else for maintaining someone else's website?
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

This also got me scratching my head.......

OK, let me put it to you this way. This thread is populated by people that are largely friends of Evan and Chris, right? Whether for altrusim or for profit, there's goodwill in maintaining Zilchlab and its effects, don't you think?

So do you think it would be worthwhile to give a guy a hand? Don't you guys feel some kind of allegiance to Zilchlab? Or would you just prefer to move forward and forget where you came from?

I, for one, am reaching out to Chris to see what I can do to help. I'm suggesting you guys might want to do the same. If not, please feel free to ignore the suggestion.
post #6496 of 9844
Moving forward is not forgetting where you've come from.

Just the other day Erich emailed me saying a few of my design sold and he'd send over some $. I told him to send it to a charity or I would. I have a few designs on the diysoundgroup forum where the cross over is withheld and I've said "pm me for the cross over details and please donate $5 to a charity". People aren't making butt loads of money off of Zilch's legacy. We're putting out wicked speakers, cutting out some middle men, raising money for charities, and having fun...?
post #6497 of 9844
Wayne, you're assuming that hasn't already happened.

I already talked to Chris quite some time ago about putting the Zilch information on my site under one category. It was discussed in this thread. There were some things going on and I believe Chris got busy so I haven't emailed him for a while.

I'm helping to get SEOS kits listed at the moment, then I will look into a couple designs that he spent more time on. But the issue is that Zilch didn't spend a huge amount of time on every single speaker he worked with and admitted some probably need tweaking to sound their best. That was the whole idea behind what he was doing......he did what he could, then asked others to "Flex your PCD Mettle" to try and make them even better. I know Pete Schumacher did help tweak at least one design, and I've even talked to Pete about that. But it uses a waveguide that isn't as good as the SEOS, so changes would be needed.
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post

Don't you guys feel some kind of allegiance to Zilchlab? Or would you just prefer to move forward and forget where you came from?


Seriously? Forget where we came from? A lot of what we've done here is a continuation of some of the things he enjoyed, so you shouldn't say things like that. Sadly he passed away before designing a speaker around the SEOS like he was hoping to do. As much as we'd all like to change that, it can't be changed.



No one ever said Zilch's work was going to be forgotten, we're continuing. Let's not go off on some tangent about how people here are somehow letting Zilch down, when obviously it's true. If anything, we're doing exactly what he was hoping to see......designing speakers that go head to head with some of the best out there.
Edited by Erich H - 1/12/13 at 6:08pm
post #6498 of 9844
I, for one, will never forget Zilch's legacy.

"More data, less wank..."

Sage words that have served to guide my wanderings in this hobby.
post #6499 of 9844
+1

JSS
post #6500 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask or not, but I do want to make this a public inquiry rather than private.

I seem to recall that the people most involved with SEOS horns see the speakers built with them as an extension of the Econowave, which was pioneered by Evan Flavell, Chris Becker and Jack Giff, among others. The Econowave approach was to retrofit existing loudspeakers using a DI-matched two-way paradigm, similar to my three Pi and four Pi loudspeakers.

Along the way, Jack Giff designed a crossover based on my crossover documents. A printed circuit board was made, and offered at moderate cost. Thus began a strong cooperative relationship between Pi Speakers and Econowave enthusiasts, who were largely the same bunch of folks.

Last I talked to Chris Becker, he was taking over the sales of Econowave crossovers and was planning to maintain a Zilchlab.com and Econowave.com websites to carry on the tradition. But I sense he is having some difficulty in this, since the Econowave.com and Zilchlab.com domains both resolve to the same place, which appears to be a generic landing zone. There also seems to have been some problem paying for the maintenance of "Zilchlab", which I would personally like to see mended.

So this is my question: Since the SEOS speakers got their footing from Econowave, and since the diysoundgroup.com website has now transitioned into a business, don't you think it would be good to funnel some of the funds to support Chris' efforts to maintain Evan Flavell's legacy?

Erich has mentioned several times that he pays the designers, and I think it is more than apprpriate that the company maintain the Zilchlab.com and Econowave.com websites and its physical storage too. Might be good to work something out with Chris to do something with the original Econowave circuit boards as well.

If Chris doesn't want to get involved with diysoundgroup, perhaps he should just be given a monthly payment to cover his costs for maintaining the Zlichlab.com websites and provide the crossover boards.

I mean, if you're gonna support the talent, wouldn't this be a first step?

It takes about $10 for a domain name and $20 for a host. Thats for a year! What maintenance is there beyond that?

What funds are we funneling exactly? Erich is in the hole, and still basically working with no profit margins. The only profit margin is for the designer fee which he then gives to designers.

Maybe im missing something but the entire DIY community "grows" out of the diy community, im confused how it "grew" out of it in a way that requires financial support afterwards.
Edited by omegaslast - 1/12/13 at 10:50pm
post #6501 of 9844
Leave Erich alone.

I have respect for all the guys that have advanced the DIY movement with their contributions. Wayne does some great things with the pi speakers, but I think he is out of line here as well. Erich isn't rebadging someone else's technology and making big ching here...he is helping those of us without the design ability and maybe don't have the $$ to buy multiple thousand $ a piece speakers. These are different designs as well from what I can tell with my limited knowledge.
post #6502 of 9844
Wayne, I've gotta agree with these guys. You really don't know the history. Zilch was a small contributor to the SEOS horn design. Certainly, his work on Econowave piqued much interest although many of us were involved in horn speakers and DI matched speakers well before Ewave stuff. This is in part due to Pi speakers, in my case, but also attributable to Geddes and much other published research.

You can't even trace the specific beginnings of SEOS solely to Zilch's Econowave Deluxe which used the QSC horn. The QSC horn was already being used by AugerPro and a few others. It was great that Zilch put together some xover designs, but the QSC wasn't his doing. There had even been some discussion prior to the QSC going off market of how Geddes round OS horn could be improved upon. Losing the QSC kicked into overdrive and it took off from there.

Beyond all of that, I can confirm that Erich was working with Zilch before his health deteriorated and attempted to work with Zilch's estate to continue something in his name. There were some hitches along the way, but hardly a reluctance caused by Erich or this group that is certain. Erich doesn't own the ZilchLabs name and that pretty much ends it.

We all come from James B. Lansing, Klipsch, Keele, Zilch, Pi, Geddes, etc etc. You do as well. I want to believe you didn't post this for selfish reasons, but I don't really understand why you didn't just contact Chris or Erich directly. It reads like an attempted smear.
post #6503 of 9844
I didn't want to reach out privately because I was suggesting that the group - everyone here reading - consider my request.

I suggested it mainly because many of you here have stated that the Econowave was the precursor for the SEOS.

This is what Chris said a few weeks back on AK, which is part of why I reached out to you guys:
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Originally Posted by http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=6285009&postcount=14941 

Zilch just couldn't beat PE's prices on flat packs. He started talking to Erich over on AVS who volunteered to put together an affordable flat pack in his part of the country which would go up on the website that we were starting up. Sadly, Zilch passed on, and things just got too weird with Erich--someone whom neither Zilch nor I ever met IRL. All of this is moot as I have no extra money to do anything whilst paying for storage of the Zilchlab.

Interestingly, there's a lot of talk about IP in the final pages of that 200 page thread. Do the bulk of AVS guys even realize their project grew out the Zilch's Econowave thread here? Do the AK guys realize that Econowave grew out of Zilch's Quick and Dirty 4430 thread on Lansing Heritage?

I just really miss Zilch.

So I thought maybe you guys might feel some cameraderie and help out.

I'm not even going to talk about what I think about the responses I see, but I am going to say I am reaching out to Chris to see if he needs any help from me. I'd be happy to cover the domain name costs, help him procure PCBs, do any sort of technical help, whatever. I do not want to take control of the site by bringing it onto my servers if he is the slightest bit uncomfortable. But I am willing to do that if he wants.

I just thought maybe you guys might be interested in doing some thing like this because from all accounts, the SEOS project is an extension of the Econowave project. Seemed like it might help all parties involved, bring people back together and mend some fences.
post #6504 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post

Seemed like it might help all parties involved, bring people back together and mend some fences.

Bring people back together? Mend what fences? There's no issues between anyone with regards to the Econowave and SEOS project. There never has been. Heck, I've only posted a couple times at AudioKarma thread and most don't even know who I am. So please don't come on here and try to make things look different than they are. And that's all you're doing.

Zilch and I were going to put up our websites at the same time. He was going to tweak his designs and build crossovers, I was going to help with the waveguides, more speaker designs, and flat packs on my site. Which is exactly what I'm still doing.

I liked Zilch and was upset when he passed away. I sent a few PM's to Chris almost 2 years ago telling him that I was willing to help with anything that could so that the memory of Zilch did not fade. I also told him I would like to create a page on my website in dedication to Zilch. I then contacted him a year later to let him know that I was going to get the SEOS made in plastic and was thinking about putting "Thanks Zilch" on the back of the waveguide because he did inspire us to get this far. Chris thought it was a good idea at first, but then we later decided it probably should be left off.

I had never met or even sent an email to Chris prior to Zilch passing away. So he didn't know about me or much about the SEOS project. Because of that, I believe he thought I was a bit weird going through all of this for the SEOS to be made in plastic. He wasn't up to date on how far it had come. I'm sure many people think I'm a bit weird for taking the project this far. So be it.
Edited by Erich H - 1/13/13 at 7:11pm
post #6505 of 9844
From all accounts SEOS was an extension of Econowave? Certainly not by my account. My post mentioned howitzer was not directly related to Ewave.

Econowave was a project crossovers to update older horn designs using more modern approaches.

Zilch also had his Ewave Deluxe designs which were complete DIY designs. There were also countless people trying to DIY oblate spheroid speakers with little success developing or buying suitable waveguides.

The SEOS project was an attempt to develop an "ultimate" horn. Most inspiration came from existing horns and horn profile literature and discussions. The Ewave threads and principles beyond directivity matching had little to do with SEOS. Zilch did add opinions to the discussion, but wasn't a primary contributor IIRC.

If you had phrased it differently maybe there would be a discussion but your post was unquestionably rude. In a nutshell you said, "Hey (presumably) ungrateful jerks, quit (presumably) pissing on a dead man's legacy now that you are (presumably) making a mint". Did I misread?

Wayne, I respect your work like I've said many times before. I've learned much from it and I appreciate your significant contributions. That doesnt excuse this and you owe the Seos group an apology.
post #6506 of 9844
Weird.....lol. I think all of us DIY folks are weird. Other wise we would all buy the same manufactured products. But for me weird is a good thing and something we all seem to have in common on here.
post #6507 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post

I didn't want to reach out privately because I was suggesting that the group - everyone here reading - consider my request.

I suggested it mainly because many of you here have stated that the Econowave was the precursor for the SEOS.

This is what Chris said a few weeks back on AK, which is part of why I reached out to you guys:
So I thought maybe you guys might feel some cameraderie and help out.

I'm not even going to talk about what I think about the responses I see, but I am going to say I am reaching out to Chris to see if he needs any help from me. I'd be happy to cover the domain name costs, help him procure PCBs, do any sort of technical help, whatever. I do not want to take control of the site by bringing it onto my servers if he is the slightest bit uncomfortable. But I am willing to do that if he wants.

I just thought maybe you guys might be interested in doing some thing like this because from all accounts, the SEOS project is an extension of the Econowave project. Seemed like it might help all parties involved, bring people back together and mend some fences.

Wayne, I know we don't know each other, and I know I don't have a history with all of this, but I did exchange some correspondence with Zilch in the past, but I think your request of Erich is a bit out of line too.

He is doing quite service to the community at great personal expense. It will be a long time before Erich has what you would call a "profit". I think you may be misinterpretting what is actually going on here. Besides, most of the compression drivers and waveguides Erich is making available he pursued at personal expense.

I appreciate all that Zich did, but much of what developed was done by the community as a whole. A lot of this started with the "Flex you PCD mettle" thread, as the creator of PCD I neither ask nor expect anything in return for its use in this, and I don't see that as any different. It's a matter of generosity, and Erich has been incredibly generous to all of us.

Jeff Bagby
post #6508 of 9844
These next few posts are going to make for some great reading within the quote tags! Wayne, I hope you read all of them.

Because I don't send many PM's on AudioKarma, I still have them all and will post what I wrote for all to see. Keep in mind, Zilch had just passed away, so it reads a little sad. And I don't think Chris really knew me very well. On the AK site he posted that Zilch died and I started a thread on AVS linking to the thread Chris started on AK. The title of the PM was "I would like to help with his website."
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Originally Posted by Erich H 

First PM:

I linked your thread over at the AVS forum in the DIY section, hope you don't mind. He will be greatly missed. I just can't believe he's gone so fast and I was just starting to get to know him better.

He told me about the website that was suppose to go live the first week of January and sent me the opening paragraphs he typed up for the site. Funny, I told him it read "too smart" and he should dumb it down a bit for people like me! smile.gif I knew something wasn't right when I didn't see the website go live and he didn't respond to some of our continued conversations.

I was also working on a DIY website at the same time so that I could offer the things he wasn't going to offer on his site. He wanted to sell the SEOS-10 waveguide just through his place and offered $1000 to help. I said that wasn't necessary and I was figuring a way to make it happen. I really can't believe he's gone. I can imagine it must be tough on you to lose such a close friend.

I told him we should name my prototype the EZ waveguide (for Erich and Zilch). That prototype he was hoping for will be done soon, so that's good that it's getting done. I was also about to send the SEOS-15 to you guys for testing. I wish he had the chance to see it and work with it. I'm not even sure what to do with it now that this has happened.


If you need any help getting his website up and running, I'll do what I can to help out. I set my site up to hopefully blend with Zilchlabs as a place the DIY community could get their stuff for wholesale prices.

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/


Do you by any chance have a picture of Zilch along with some general information from him? I'd like to post a small write up/dedication of him on my new site in what was going to be the Econowave section.

I was waiting to hear from him before I posted the Econowave pages that I was working on to show his different designs and linking to his kits and waveguides. I'm not really sure what my next step should be now, but I'd like to see all of his designs in one area and make sure everyone knows what he was doing and working on.

So if I can help you finish his site, or if I should add Econowave pages to my DIY site, I'd like to help out where I can to keep those designs from sliding away and being forgotten. I told him about a year ago that we should try to get all the designs to his own website/forum so they could get better attention.

This is such sad news that he passed away right when he was about to step up to the next level. It really does hurt knowing that. It's just not fair.

Does it sound like anyone needs to "mend fences" Wayne?
Edited by Erich H - 1/13/13 at 10:42pm
post #6509 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H 
2nd PM

Sorry Chris, I normally post over on the AVS or PE forum and signed up here yesterday to send you the private message. I guess this site doesn't default to sending email notifications for PM's.

Anyway, I just got your message and it's about 11:30 p.m. so a phone call might not be the best idea.

I emailed the owner of the Polish waveguide company to put in another order for the group buy and to see when the SEOS models were going to be sent. He wanted me to say that he was sorry to hear about Zilch. I'm suppose to be getting the prototypes sent the end of next week.

Evan and I discussed getting hundreds of these manufactured (if they tested good). I was in the process of getting bids for the production, but I'm not sure if I should hold up on that or not. I guess he told you that he wanted to offer the 10" on his site and wanted to pay money to help do that. But I told him that wasn't going to be necessary at all because I was going to try to get them mass produced for a cheap price and he was welcome to do whatever he needed. I'm not sure he got my last few messages at AVS or not.

I've got ideas to continue what he wanted to do with his kits. But my knowledge on waveguides and crossovers is not very good. My main goal was just to help other people get those new style waveguides in the correct cabinets and try to keep it all organized. I held off on publishing the Econowave stuff on my site until Zilchlabs was up and running. I just got my site up a few weeks ago, which was when I hoped his would show up.

I'm willing to put a lot of time in to make that happen for the DIY crowd. I really wish I'd pushed Zilch harder early last year to allow me to set it all up months ago. I think it was back in April or May that I mentioned it.

I'll talk to you soon.

Erich
post #6510 of 9844
A couple weeks later I wanted Chris to know that the SEOS-15 prototype was done, and tested. If you guys recall, I wasn't sure if we should stop there, or do the 12" or the 10" model. I talked to Zilch and he though the 10" model would be nice. He actually wanted to use it in future designs.

Wayne, does it sound like anyone is mad or not offering to help?
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Originally Posted by Erich H 

PM a couple weeks later:

I wasn't sure if you were getting me previous messages. For some reason I don't get email notifications from here, yet I have that set in my options. So maybe I was doing something wrong when sending out my PM's? I just wanted to see how you were doing and hoping everything was going okay.


Today I wanted to let you know that the SEOS design I'm having built has been initially measured by the company that made them. It's the design Zilch was looking forward to.

As you know, he was hoping to get the 10" model and build designs around it to offer kits. I wasn't sure if you were ready to do any testing, or if you wanted to pass on this for a while. The company will be sending the prototypes next week. I'm not sure how long the package will take to arrive.

If you'd rather not do this, I understand. As mentioned earlier, I'm also willing to help you with the website if you need it.

I had a decent part of my site that was going to be solely for the Econowave builds. Info, flat packs, etc. If you'd like, I can work on that so we can at least get something up. My site really isn't set up to make money. But I was going to add a donation button for each designer in case the end user liked the design enough to donate directly to that person. I've kind of stopped working on most of the site since Zilch passed away.


Someone mentioned that I should try to get pricing on his Karma Indignia speakers to be cut and sold as a flat pack. Not sure what to do about that.

Please let me know if you have any thoughts on all of this. Obviously I don't want to bother you if you'd rather not do this stuff.
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