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post #6511 of 9844
I waited a while:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erich H 
PM about 3-4 months later:

Hi Chris,
I was just curious if you had any more information on making the flat pack kits that Zilch and I had discussed late last year? I spoke with you a couple months ago on the phone and you mentioned that you'd like to wait a little while. Are you ready to help with the internal volumes and things like that? I'm ready to keep the ball rolling for Zilch.

I wanted to do this as non profit like we talked about, but have a donation button for you or something for Zilch. I won't be taking donations for myself. I'd really like to do this.


Wayne, was I doing what you were wanting?
post #6512 of 9844
A little later (May 04, 2011).....almost to my last PM now...... Chris was curious if I did a group buy on the SEOS because he knew peope would be interested in using them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erich H 
I'll be setting up another group buy for those waveguides in about a week.

Maybe I could just get flat pack boxes cut that are the correct volume, but not necessarily say they were designed specifically for the Econowaves. In reality, they're just boxes made for any speaker needs anyway. I've had a lot of people ask me when I'm going to get the ball rolling on it, I just tell them I'm waiting.

My biggest fear is that if we sit idle for too long, this is going to slowly get lost. It seems to be slowing down a bit and maybe a flat pack or something might spark interest again.


What can I do to help?
post #6513 of 9844
After that last PM on May 4, 2011, Chris replied that he was still going to help with the generic crossover boards:
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Originally Posted by Erich H 
Almost the last PM:

I can understand how busy you must be, so I'll hold off on any "perfect" boxes designed specifically for the Econowaves and just focus on some general boxes like the ones PE sells, but try and have a flush baffle with roundovers. There were a few members that said they could give general ideas for internal volumes.

I don't want to bother you while you're going through all of that. If you ever have any ideas, please let me know.

At that point I wasn't sure if I was bothering Chris or not by offering to help. That was the last PM I sent for 7 months!
post #6514 of 9844
I didn't hear much back. But the project was still moving forward here on AVS. Does this sound mean, weird or crazy yet Wayne?

7 months later, about a year after Zilch passed away:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erich H 
Closer to my last PM:

Chris,

It's been quite some time since I last spoke with you about Zilch. I'm the guy that was helping to get the SEOS waveguide prototyped and built over on the AVS forum.

People have been asking for a plastic version of that waveguide but injection molding is VERY expensive. I've had estimates from $26,000 - $48,000 to have the aluminum mold made and 1000 plastic pieces produced.

I've been saving my money because I hoped to eventually be able to get it done for people. And I think I'm about to give it a try. But not 100% certain yet.

Of course, if it wasn't for Evan, this waveguide stuff wouldn't be where it is today with DIY guys. So I was considering putting something on the back side of the horn like "Thanks Zilch", or something along those lines.

What do you think about that?

I think it's a nice idea and I'd like to do something in memory of him. If you recall, I hoped to do some flat pack kits for his econowave designs (at cost), but I didn't hear back from you and I wasn't sure how that all turned out. So I haven't tried to help with that yet. If I did that, I was going to try to get an emblem made up with something on it about Zilch.

But I don't know if that flat pack stuff will ever happen, so I thought the message on the back of the waveguide might be nice.

Any ideas?
post #6515 of 9844
Well, so Erich, why all the fuss then? Are you now back to saying you want to help Chris out with Zilchlab stuff?

Or is this a case of "that was then and this is now?"

I mean, we can drop the bµllshit and go back to being DIYers that love the craft, help out a guy we all know and like, or we can pull out our dicks and see who can piss the furthest.

What the hell, gentlemen?!!
post #6516 of 9844
Chris thought putting the name on the back was okay. But then later thought it shouldn't be up to him and wasn't his decision to make. I wanted him to see what I was planning on doing. I also posted the drawing here on AVS.
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Originally Posted by Erich H 
Almost to my last PM to Chris:

Right now I had the plastic company draw it out with the words "Thanks Zilch" on the inside edge. Do you think that's a bad idea?

If you give me your email address, I'll send you the computer rendering.
post #6517 of 9844
And my last PM to Chris on December 21, 2011:

You're right Wayne, I wasn't trying to help at all! rolleyes.gif Once again, you insinuate things without knowing the truth. I'm sure there will be no apologies though.

Read this one close Wayne.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erich H 
Last PM on the subject before giving up:

Chris,

Did Zilch ever finish up the last few designs he was working on with the E-wave mini's? Sadly we're approaching the year mark of his passing, and I was hoping to get *something* completely done in his honor. I'm worried whether I'll have something to show by January.

The last time Zilch and I spoke, he wanted me to get the 10" SEOS model made up to go with some of the smaller drivers he was working on. I got the SEOS-10 done, but I'm not sure he ever finished the crossover work on the drivers.

I'd like to finish them if I can. Do you have any of that information? I think a smaller project might be easier to get done than a larger one at this point.

Getting the nice SEOS models prototyped and produced was good, but I still feel like I've let him down on the full speaker projects simply because I didn't know which way to go with them after he passed away.

It bugs me to know how many things were suppose to happen 11 months ago, yet I'm still not sure what to get done. And I really don't want to let this whole project fade away like it is. It's just not right.

What can I do?


Thanks
Erich
post #6518 of 9844
Okay, that was fun reading! Can anyone tell me what more I was suppose to do? Was I being 'weird'???
post #6519 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post

Well, so Erich, are you saying you want to help Chris?

Or is this a case of "that was then and this is now?"

And coctostan - **** rude. I wasn't rude, or I'd tell you what I really thought. I'm here saying if you guys wanna do something cool, we can all pitch in and help Chris out. I mean, we can drop the ******** and go back to being DIYers that love the craft, or we can all pull out our dicks and see who can piss the furthest.


Whoa, looks like I caught that before your edit!


Wayne, that right there shows that you're only here to aggravate people. You do realize that you're the ONLY one here trying to argue right? And oddly enough, in the whole thread, the only one that has ever tried to start something. Seriously, this thread was going great until you showed up for some reason and literally made stuff up.....without any merit, or any reason to do so. Now you're trying to provoke something that was never there. Maybe you did that on purpose because things were going fine? rolleyes.gif

You thought it would be fun to stop in and try to stir things up using completely bogus thoughts that we haven't tried to help or wanted to keep Zilch's memory going. And they back fired because I clearly showed that I offered to help anyway I possibly could.

Yet as normal, you'll give no apologies.
Edited by Erich H - 1/13/13 at 8:50pm
post #6520 of 9844
Yes - Erich - I'm here to stir something up. I wrote Max a private PM, by the way, but it's OK with me that you grabbed the version I wrote earlier.

So again I ask, why all the fuss about this deal with Chris? Are you now back to saying you want to help Chris out with Zilchlab stuff? Or is this a case of "that was then and this is now?"

I mean, we can drop the bµllshit and go back to being DIYers that love the craft, help out a guy we all know and like, or we can pull out our dicks and see who can piss the furthest?

Again I ask - What the hell, gentlemen?!!
post #6521 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post

Well, so Erich, why all the fuss then? Are you now back to saying you want to help Chris out with Zilchlab stuff?

Or is this a case of "that was then and this is now?"

I mean, we can drop the bµllshit and go back to being DIYers that love the craft, help out a guy we all know and like, or we can pull out our dicks and see who can piss the furthest.

What the hell, gentlemen?!!

Hey Wayne,

I am not into quoting the Bible but this fits: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

Your the only one that is looking bad in this situation and if you are counting on DIY'ers to continue purchasing your items you are doing your-self a great disservice. If you want to hash this out then do it in private, by doing it on a public forum and attacking someone that we all hold in high esteem your really starting a fight your gonna lose.

You are coming at this the wrong way if you really want to help out Chris, think about it.
post #6522 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post

I'm not even going to talk about what I think about the responses I see...

That's probably for the best. Last time it took a whole brunch of pruning from the mods to make you look like less of an...well..less like how you look right now.

...Op, wait, just saw the most recent replies. Knew it was too good to be true.
post #6523 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post


So again I ask, why all the fuss about this deal with Chris? Are you now back to saying you want to help Chris out with Zilchlab stuff?

Wow, you ask 'why all the fuss about this deal with Chris'????

Uhhhhh, you might have forgotten earlier today, but that was *YOU* who started the 'fuss about Chris'.......completely out of no where with bad info.

Seriously, this isn't normal conversation.
post #6524 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Wow, you ask 'why all the fuss about this deal with Chris'????

Uhhhhh, you might have forgotten earlier today, but that was *YOU* who started the 'fuss about Chris'.......out of no where with bogus thoughts!

Seriously, this isn't normal conversation.

Hey Erich, Any more JBL's hanging around?
post #6525 of 9844
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Parham View Post

Well, so Erich, why all the fuss then? Are you now back to saying you want to help Chris out with Zilchlab stuff?

Or is this a case of "that was then and this is now?"

I mean, we can drop the bµllshit and go back to being DIYers that love the craft, help out a guy we all know and like, or we can pull out our dicks and see who can piss the furthest.

What the hell, gentlemen?!!



Wow....first, you came here a few months ago trying to bashed the SEOS design. Now you're attempting to discredit the folks behind the project with bogus claims. I believe your motive is quite clear.
post #6526 of 9844
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

Hey Erich, Any more JBL's hanging around?

I am looking for some 8330a's.
post #6527 of 9844
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

Hey Erich, Any more JBL's hanging around?

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Good thing I wasn't drinking anything, it would be on my keyboard. I think they call that post the Combo Breaker!

I do have some things left from the big group buy a year or so ago. Some huge 36" horns (I just threw 3 more away on Thursday). Some big 1.5" CD's hooked to some mid sized horns, and some other woofers. I had 2 more of those surrounds left, but I literally gave them to one of my friends on Thursday when he helped me load up the dumpster with those big horns and some other junk. I'm clearing space for some more flat packs!
post #6528 of 9844
Alright guys...cool it with the bickering.
post #6529 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

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Good thing I wasn't drinking anything, it would be on my keyboard. I think they call that post the Combo Breaker!

I do have some things left from the big group buy a year or so ago. Some huge 36" horns (I just threw 3 more away on Thursday). Some big 1.5" CD's hooked to some mid sized horns, and some other woofers. I had 2 more of those surrounds left, but I literally gave them to one of my friends on Thursday when he helped me load up the dumpster with those big horns and some other junk. I'm clearing space for some more flat packs!


I needed a laugh myself. Yeh, I wish I was close to where you are, I would have gladly helped you move stuff. Why did't you just hang some of them on a wall high up in the warehouse and let them rock?
post #6530 of 9844
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Originally Posted by robertcharles View Post

I needed a laugh myself. Yeh, I wish I was close to where you are, I would have gladly helped you move stuff. Why did't you just hang some of them on a wall high up in the warehouse and let them rock?

When I got all of that stuff, the guy had already sold most of the 2" CD's. So those big horns didn't have anything to power them. Only fiberglass, a metal adapter, and a gasket hanging on my wall wouldn't have impressed many people! I think I had about 30 of those things. I kept them for a long time and couldn't bring myself to throw any away.

It's funny because whenever someone ordered any of those big horns from Poland, I had to ship them on a pallet. So guess what I did? I'd put a pair or two on their pallet just in case they could use them, or make them into yard ornaments. biggrin.gif I probably got rid of 10 like that, pitched about 12 and might have another 8 left. Sadly, I'll smash another 3 into my dumpster this week if I remember. Maybe I will keep one or two hanging somewhere. cool.gif
post #6531 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

When I got all of that stuff, the guy had already sold most of the 2" CD's. So those big horns didn't have anything to power them. Only fiberglass, a metal adapter, and a gasket hanging on my wall wouldn't have impressed many people! I think I had about 30 of those things. I kept them for a long time and couldn't bring myself to throw any away.

It's funny because whenever someone ordered any of those big horns from Poland, I had to ship them on a pallet. So guess what I did? I'd put a pair or two on their pallet just in case they could use them, or make them into yard ornaments. biggrin.gif I probably got rid of 10 like that, pitched about 12 and might have another 8 left. Sadly, I'll smash another 3 into my dumpster this week if I remember. Maybe I will keep one or two hanging somewhere. cool.gif

Well, I guess I am kind of a vintage kind of guy. Seems like those Horns must have some age on them and I just cannot get enough of the JBL stuff. I have always been fond of JBL drivers as well as the old Altec, Electrovoice, and I even have a almost mint Western Electric 728b (It is the sweetest driver I have ever heard). Sad that they have to be discarded, but we do what needs to be done. Good luck with all the new tech- I have been a fan for a while now.


Keep cranking,

Robert
post #6532 of 9844
Cmon boys lets get back to building superior speakers....... Dont drag this down with another Pi/SEOS excursion, we got better things to do with our time.

The info is out there about Zilchlab needing money, people can donate if they want. Whether they do or not is nobody's business especially another speaker designer/seller/owner.

More SEOS less wank. wink.gif
post #6533 of 9844
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Cmon boys lets get back to building superior speakers....... Dont drag this down with another Pi/SEOS excursion, we got better things to do with our time.

The info is out there about Zilchlab needing money, people can donate if they want. Whether they do or not is nobody's business especially another speaker designer/seller/owner.

More SEOS less wank. wink.gif

+1,000,000,000,000 biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #6534 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Mike Lang View Post

Alright guys...cool it with the bickering.

Mike, my apologies. I didn't see your post.
post #6535 of 9844
Hi Erich,

Any news on the TD12M baffle? Not sure if there were enough demands for you to make the cuts.

Looking to get started to make some SEOS speakers.
post #6536 of 9844
So I am psyched..my three Sentinels should be arriving anytime now! I can't wait to get these three built. I have just finished up my two single 18"subs for my family room and am ready to build the lcr. I have been holding off on the subs for the DHT becuase once I get the lcr done, and love them(which I am sure I will) I can place the order for my surround, height, width speakers and build the other subs in the while I wait for that order.

Erich was also kind enough to reach out to me and offer the slot ported version of the baffle, as there were a couple extras. I think the slots look a little more aggressive, so I was happy.

I am curious, what are some of you who have these already using to power them. Not the sentinel in particular, but similar designs. I think I'll experiment, I have some Outlaw 7500s that I was thinking about using with them, but also maybe using in the family room. If the 4520 does the trick in there, it makes it much less $$ for me to get the SEOS setup up and running. If I decide to use the Outlaws in the family room, I looked at maybe the emotiva XPR5s. I need 13 channels of amplification(lcr, rear, two sets of sides, heights and width). 3 XPRs could be had for about $5k. They have a 29db gain as opposed to the 32db of the xpa models. I figured that with such high sensitivity desings, that is a plus. Anything else out there anyone has used that you think would compare favorably for the same or less$$??
post #6537 of 9844
To keep things on a positive note - is there a paypal address or some other way to donate to Zilchlab? I would like to see its site grow (last time I checked there wasn't anything there though). Let's not worry about the skill of the request wording but about the issue itself.

I still keep reading the AK thread, and a site with that info more easily browsed or with yet more waveguide info is always welcome.
post #6538 of 9844
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Originally Posted by bwaslo View Post

I still keep reading the AK thread, and a site with that info more easily browsed or with yet more waveguide info is always welcome.

Yes! Coming from someone new to DIY and the Econowave concept in particular, I found it incredibly difficult to navigate what the options were. In fact, I started a spreadsheet just on Econowaves to be able to keep the info summarized and at hand for myself. There were some meta posts that linked to many of the designs, which was helpful. But not enough info like, "This is the higher sensitivity version at 94dB. This is the one intended for two channel fans without a sub. This is the upgraded compression driver version with a lower distortion woofer, taking the 'Econo' out of 'Econowave,'" etc. 

 

I'd read through pages of posts to not find the sensitivity of a design. It wasn't readily apparent there were awesome people I could pay to send me a crossover. 

 

Making it more quickly digestible for noobs would make the whole concept more accessible to more people, if that's a goal.

 

EDIT: I did like the screenshots of shopping lists at Parts Express. 

I wonder if Parts Express offers some sort of web widget where a "Shopping List" can be displayed on other websites, and clicking on the list or items will take one directly to Parts Express to make buying easier. Like, "Click to buy this list." Makes it easier for people to buy and find the parts, and gives an easy on-ramp for Parts Express sales?


Edited by Eyleron - 1/14/13 at 7:57am
post #6539 of 9844
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Hi Erich,

Any news on the TD12M baffle? Not sure if there were enough demands for you to make the cuts.

Looking to get started to make some SEOS speakers.

I think Erich is expecting baffles and flatpacks from the CNC company this week. So we'll know soon enough it the TD12M's were included. If not, another option is to get a blank baffle and 2 cu ft box. Then you'd just need to make a few cuts etc.
post #6540 of 9844

Does the DNA360 have a metal screen or is it just a piece of material at the end of the throat? I don't really wanna mess with my drivers to find out biggrin.gif

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