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post #6991 of 7637
2/23/13 at 1:36pm

Well my 3 Tempests have shipped thanks to Eric! For the surrounds I plan on going with the 1pi in a sealed slanted enclosure.

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post #6992 of 7637
2/23/13 at 1:54pm
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Thinking of adding a custom limited-edition, logo plate to the front lower corners, this is from a 3D printer my son has some limited access to:


That's a pretty sweet limited edition logo! I should look into something like that for the SEOS waveguides.

Hey, where's mine?? biggrin.gif
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post #6993 of 7637
2/23/13 at 1:57pm
I'm getting as much packaging caught up this weekend as possible. I should be out to around 4-5 days on orders at that point. I've been working on these all day, and will continue to around 10:00 tonight.

The FedEx guy is not going to like me on Monday because I think I'm up around 1100 pounds worth of sub boxes and kits right now.
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post #6994 of 7637
2/23/13 at 2:34pm
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That's a pretty sweet limited edition logo! I should look into something like that for the SEOS waveguides.

Hey, where's mine?? biggrin.gif

Erich,
My son has another SEOS prototype logo worked up. he's waiting for access to the machine. If successfull I'll be getting a "founder's set " for yourself. :-)

You will have the "exclusive" on the cad-cam files.
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post #6995 of 7637
2/24/13 at 1:04pm
I am sorry if I missed it. Has anyone done a passive crossover for the SEOS12 mated with the AE TD15? I was just about to pull the trigger on one of the kits and have emailed specifics with Erich, but the price on the AE drivers has me contemplating buying a trio of the 15"s.

Chris
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post #6996 of 7637
2/24/13 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by filtor1 View Post

I am sorry if I missed it. Has anyone done a passive crossover for the SEOS12 mated with the AE TD15? I was just about to pull the trigger on one of the kits and have emailed specifics with Erich, but the price on the AE drivers has me contemplating buying a trio of the 15"s.

Chris

You might ask Bill. There's a tidbit of info on the TD15M on DIYSOUNDGROUP's site within the TD12M thread.
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post #6997 of 7637
2/24/13 at 2:02pm
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You might ask Bill. There's a tidbit of info on the TD15M on DIYSOUNDGROUP's site within the TD12M thread.

I will read through there as soon as I get home tonight. Thank you for the direction pgwalsh.

Chris
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post #6998 of 7637
2/24/13 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by filtor1 View Post

I am sorry if I missed it. Has anyone done a passive crossover for the SEOS12 mated with the AE TD15? I was just about to pull the trigger on one of the kits and have emailed specifics with Erich, but the price on the AE drivers has me contemplating buying a trio of the 15"s.

Chris

Bill did a passive with the SEOS-15 and the TD15M. Check the site for it, and ask Bill if it could be used with the 12.

AE Baffles would be awesome... hint hint. lol
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post #6999 of 7637
2/25/13 at 4:41am
The SEOS12 will put the tweeter more forward than the SEOS15 so the lobe would point downward where the tweeter highs would be rolling off (only 50 degree angle vertically). Probably not a good fit, would. need a different crossover design.
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post #7000 of 7637
2/25/13 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by filtor1 View Post

I am sorry if I missed it. Has anyone done a passive crossover for the SEOS12 mated with the AE TD15? I was just about to pull the trigger on one of the kits and have emailed specifics with Erich, but the price on the AE drivers has me contemplating buying a trio of the 15"s.

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The resin SEOS-15 isn't too pricey.

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/plastic-seos-12/solid-surface-seos.html
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post #7001 of 7637
2/25/13 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by filtor1 View Post

I am sorry if I missed it. Has anyone done a passive crossover for the SEOS12 mated with the AE TD15? I was just about to pull the trigger on one of the kits and have emailed specifics with Erich, but the price on the AE drivers has me contemplating buying a trio of the 15"s.

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The resin SEOS-15 isn't too pricey.

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/plastic-seos-12/solid-surface-seos.html

That isn't out of the realm of possibility for me. I have been in contact with Bill via the DIY Sound Group forum discussing the implications of what I am looking to do. I really wish I could do a comparison between the Sentinel and what I am thinking. I may need to buck up and strike a new path in my DIY adventure and build out of my comfort zone. smile.gif

So far this has changed to a AE TD15M/SEOS15 (DNA360) I have chosen to put my subwoofer build on hold in lieu of new mains. So this project has become my priority.
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post #7002 of 7637
2/25/13 at 10:55am
Has anyone kept track of their build costs on either the AE TD12M/SEOS12 or AE TD15M/SEOS15 projects? I am trying to see if I can stretch my budget a bit but have not been able to find this information.

The TD12M is currently $235 (current group deal), The SEOS 12 is $28. The DNA360 is $75.50. So $338.50 less crossovers.

The TD 15M is currently $255 (current group deal). The SEOS 15 can be had for $60 in concrete resin. $390.50 less crossovers.

These two option will obviously have additional build costs over the complete kits due to cabinet material and amount of board ft needed for each as well as time spent on making baffles or having them made. If anyone who has built or even bought the materials for the crossovers for either of these designs please chime with the build cost of their crossovers?

Thank you,
Chris
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post #7003 of 7637
2/25/13 at 11:35am
Chris, for just the components on my crossover I spent ~$140 for all three, may be slightly more. Price doesn't include hookup wire or terminal blocks.

I paid retail for my TD12M's, the completed speaker is about $500 per.

You'd be right around $400 per with the TD12 speaker getting GB pricing. The resin waveguides only come in white and will need to be painted, so add that too.

-Nate
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post #7004 of 7637
2/25/13 at 11:58am
So far 4 x TD12X , 4 X 4550 , 4 SEOS 12 fiberglass (I think I am too late to order) cost exactly $2000. If I cannot get the fiberglass I will get the plastic and it will be more like $1650. for 4. I still will have to buy the crossovers and building materials. I estimate somewhere between $700 to $800 per speaker when finished. Final costs depend on what I will have to pay to get the crossovers designed and built. Hopefully I will have a speaker that cannot be touched for less than $1200. Anything Erich could sell to make it easier I would gladly buy. ie..Baffle with cutout for TD12X with a nice fat slot port cutout and a 2.5 - 3.0 cu ft flat pack would be awesome. I dont expect it but I sure would appreciate it if the day comes. smile.gif
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 2/25/13 at 12:11pm
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post #7005 of 7637
2/25/13 at 11:59am
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Chris, for just the components on my crossover I spent ~$140 for all three, may be slightly more. Price doesn't include hookup wire or terminal blocks.

I paid retail for my TD12M's, the completed speaker is about $500 per.

You'd be right around $400 per with the TD12 speaker getting GB pricing. The resin waveguides only come in white and will need to be painted, so add that too.

-Nate

Thanks for the reply Nate. In the link for the SEOS 15 in question it says, "Available in a variety of standard colors for no extra charge." Is this no longer valid?

Edit, Thank you Chris for your reply as well.
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post #7006 of 7637
2/25/13 at 12:30pm
As I understand it, Auto-Tech had mixed results with the finish they were using over the solid surface. So, ya they only come in matte white. Erich can tell you more about it. It might be too late to get some seos-15's in FG on the pallet. Depending on your timeframe, you could order the TD12's now while the GB pricing is going on and do the plastic seos-12's. Or order the TD15's and the FG seos-15's and wait a couple months for the next shipment. Either way you go, the wait is worth it.
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post #7007 of 7637
2/25/13 at 1:07pm
It appears I may end up following your lead and trying to replicate it. I am wondering if the AE TD12M/SEOS12 will be capable of the headroom I want. John posted in your build thread, "nice work there rb. -3db at 80hz = thx spec. and, it has the headroom/dynamic capability for full reference in just about every home room/theater with a simple 100 watt amp." Were you able to test them to their limits yet Nate? I just went back again and read your build thread. Provided these can get me into reference, these will fit my budget.
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post #7008 of 7637
2/25/13 at 1:10pm
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you could order the TD12's now while the GB pricing is going on and do the plastic seos-12's. Or order the TD15's and the FG seos-15's and wait a couple months for the next shipment. Either way you go, the wait is worth it.
Thats how I see it too. 4 plastic SEOS 12 cost $100 bucks or so and FG can be had next time. (If your reading this Erich still try to get the 4x SEOS12 FG in black on this pallet smile.gif ). Does it matter when having the XO developed or would it be the same for plastic as fiberglass? Once I have all the parts in my hands I will have to focus on getting the XO designed & built.
Chris
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post #7009 of 7637
2/25/13 at 2:02pm
CountryWV,

Wondering why you'd want the FG rather than the plastic? I don't think the FG does anything better than plastic that I know of anyway.
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post #7010 of 7637
2/25/13 at 4:07pm
The plastic model is identical to the fiberglass. The only difference is that the plastic models mount easier to the box and the compression driver mounts easier too.
Edited by Erich H - 2/25/13 at 4:14pm
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post #7011 of 7637
2/25/13 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by filtor1 View Post

It appears I may end up following your lead and trying to replicate it. I am wondering if the AE TD12M/SEOS12 will be capable of the headroom I want. John posted in your build thread, "nice work there rb. -3db at 80hz = thx spec. and, it has the headroom/dynamic capability for full reference in just about every home room/theater with a simple 100 watt amp." Were you able to test them to their limits yet Nate? I just went back again and read your build thread. Provided these can get me into reference, these will fit my budget.


You won't be able to use them up to their limits before your ears throw in the towel. I think most people that have asked me that on the site end up emailing me later telling me they had no idea what kind of volume these speakers were capable of. Reference levels with any of them will not be a problem.
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post #7012 of 7637
2/25/13 at 5:06pm
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CountryWV,

Wondering why you'd want the FG rather than the plastic? I don't think the FG does anything better than plastic that I know of anyway.
Thank you. That is exactly what I needed to hear. From what little bit of info I could find to read it sounded like the right choice. Plastic sounds good to me.
Thanks
Chris
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post #7013 of 7637
2/25/13 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by filtor1 View Post

Has anyone kept track of their build costs on either the AE TD12M/SEOS12 or AE TD15M/SEOS15 projects? I am trying to see if I can stretch my budget a bit but have not been able to find this information.

The TD12M is currently $235 (current group deal), The SEOS 12 is $28. The DNA360 is $75.50. So $338.50 less crossovers.

The TD 15M is currently $255 (current group deal). The SEOS 15 can be had for $60 in concrete resin. $390.50 less crossovers.

These two option will obviously have additional build costs over the complete kits due to cabinet material and amount of board ft needed for each as well as time spent on making baffles or having them made. If anyone who has built or even bought the materials for the crossovers for either of these designs please chime with the build cost of their crossovers?

Thank you,
Chris

$108.34 including barrier terminals and more expensive 3.0mh inductor for 2 SEOS-15/ TD15M/ DNA-360 crossovers.
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post #7014 of 7637
2/25/13 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

You won't be able to use them up to their limits before your ears throw in the towel. I think most people that have asked me that on the site end up emailing me later telling me they had no idea what kind of volume these speakers were capable of. Reference levels with any of them will not be a problem.

I appreciate the response Erich. I have made up my mind and will go this route.
Edited by filtor1 - 2/25/13 at 8:43pm
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post #7015 of 7637
2/28/13 at 7:38am
Hey, I am a noob at DIY, but really love horns. I have been wanting to build a pair and was excited to come upon Erich's site. Here's my question: can you order the crossovers assembled? I would really like to build either the Tempest or Zephyr, but am ignorant of electronics. I do, however, have reasonable woodworking skills.
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post #7016 of 7637
2/28/13 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Chipbyrd View Post

Hey, I am a noob at DIY, but really love horns. I have been wanting to build a pair and was excited to come upon Erich's site. Here's my question: can you order the crossovers assembled? I would really like to build either the Tempest or Zephyr, but am ignorant of electronics. I do, however, have reasonable woodworking skills.

i beleive Erich is trying to get something setup so you can order them put together. Alternativily you may find a helpful AVSer who will do it for you
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post #7017 of 7637
2/28/13 at 8:02am
Post where you live and someone by you may be willing to build them.
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post #7018 of 7637
2/28/13 at 8:40am
Has anyone compared a 3pi or 4pi setup to a comparable SEOS design face-to-face? Are there any 3pi or 4pi owners that have heard any of the SEOS designs? Any impressions?

Thanks,
Darrell
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post #7019 of 7637
2/28/13 at 9:47am
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Has anyone compared a 3pi or 4pi setup to a comparable SEOS design face-to-face? Are there any 3pi or 4pi owners that have heard any of the SEOS designs? Any impressions?

Thanks,
Darrell

Excellent Question begging an interesting comparison ...
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post #7020 of 7637
2/28/13 at 12:54pm
Thread Starter 
if you were to listen to the 3pi with the td12s and de250 driver compared to the seos12 with the td12s and denovo360, what exactly would you be hoping to hear as a 'difference'?
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