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post #7741 of 9844
I am looking at building DYI speakers for 7.2 surround for my dedicated Home Theater room the room is a bonus room over the garage but very large. It is 19W x 22L with 10’ ceiling in front (7’knee walls) and 9’ceiling on riser (6’ knee walls). I will have an acoustical transparent screen 24” from front wall. I want L/C/R matching vertical behind screen. Here is my build thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468993/the-retirment-dream-home-theater I was looking at many DYI kits and I am down to three. The surrounds and rears will need to fit in my columns and will be limited to 15”W x 11”D x 14”H, I would like to keep the LCR and sourounds under $1000 and the 2 subs under $1000
post #7742 of 9844
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Originally Posted by cw5billwade View Post

I am looking at building DYI speakers for 7.2 surround for my dedicated Home Theater room the room is a bonus room over the garage but very large. It is 19W x 22L with 10’ ceiling in front (7’knee walls) and 9’ceiling on riser (6’ knee walls). I will have an acoustical transparent screen 24” from front wall. I want L/C/R matching vertical behind screen. Here is my build thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468993/the-retirment-dream-home-theater I was looking at many DYI kits and I am down to three. The surrounds and rears will need to fit in my columns and will be limited to 15”W x 11”D x 14”H, I would like to keep the LCR and sourounds under $1000 and the 2 subs under $1000
Lots of good kits to choose from in your price range. Just be sure to include shipping and cabinet costs. Are you leaning towards anything within the lineup?
post #7743 of 9844
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Originally Posted by cw5billwade View Post

I am looking at building DYI speakers for 7.2 surround for my dedicated Home Theater room the room is a bonus room over the garage but very large. It is 19W x 22L with 10’ ceiling in front (7’knee walls) and 9’ceiling on riser (6’ knee walls). I will have an acoustical transparent screen 24” from front wall. I want L/C/R matching vertical behind screen. Here is my build thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468993/the-retirment-dream-home-theater I was looking at many DYI kits and I am down to three. The surrounds and rears will need to fit in my columns and will be limited to 15”W x 11”D x 14”H, I would like to keep the LCR and sourounds under $1000 and the 2 subs under $1000

You might consider lowering the money for the 2 subwoofers, and raising the money for the 7 speakers. 7 speakers for $1000 in that room is going to be tough. You can always add a second subwoofer later though.
post #7744 of 9844
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

Lots of good kits to choose from in your price range. Just be sure to include shipping and cabinet costs. Are you leaning towards anything within the lineup?
I was not looking at horns but someone at PE sent me here. I will be getting the Sherbourn PT-7030 and PA-7-150 pre pro with 150 true watts per channel http://www.sherbourn.com/products/pt-7030-and-free-pa-7-150 I was looking at many DYI kits and I am down a few. The surrounds and rears will need to fit in my columns and will be limited to 15”W x 11”D x 14”H I was also considering the overnight sensations but do not think they will be have enough power for the room.

here is what I was looking at before
Swope HT Total $1000 https://sites.google.com/site/undefinition/swope-ht
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?33961-Swope-HT-5-1-(HiVi-M5A-M6A-Dayton-ND28)
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?39369-Swope-3-way-(TMWW-or-WTMW)
I would do the 3 way towers TMWW up front $400 pair plus $203 for the center I would like to do the Swope MTM on surround and rear duty but do not think it will fit unless I can change the dimensions of the box. Therefore I may need to use the Swope TM $182 a pair x2 but not sure if it can handle the power of the Sherbourn. Or maybe the overnight sensation MTM since it is the right size box if I could use the tweeter from the Swope


Avia Trix total ? est $830 http://speakerdesignworks.com/AviaTrix_6.html
I could only find the cost for the MTM at parts express $285 Pair so I would assume I would add another $145 for center. They do not have the MT as a kit so maybe another $450 for four of them.

X-LS Encore (AV123) from GR Research $677
http://gr-research.com/x-lsencorekit.aspx
post #7745 of 9844
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Originally Posted by cw5billwade View Post

I was not looking at horns but someone at PE sent me here. I will be getting the Sherbourn PT-7030 and PA-7-150 pre pro with 150 true watts per channel http://www.sherbourn.com/products/pt-7030-and-free-pa-7-150 I was looking at many DYI kits and I am down a few. The surrounds and rears will need to fit in my columns and will be limited to 15”W x 11”D x 14”H I was also considering the overnight sensations but do not think they will be have enough power for the room.

here is what I was looking at before
Swope HT Total $1000 https://sites.google.com/site/undefinition/swope-ht
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?33961-Swope-HT-5-1-(HiVi-M5A-M6A-Dayton-ND28)
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?39369-Swope-3-way-(TMWW-or-WTMW)
I would do the 3 way towers TMWW up front $400 pair plus $203 for the center I would like to do the Swope MTM on surround and rear duty but do not think it will fit unless I can change the dimensions of the box. Therefore I may need to use the Swope TM $182 a pair x2 but not sure if it can handle the power of the Sherbourn. Or maybe the overnight sensation MTM since it is the right size box if I could use the tweeter from the Swope


Avia Trix total ? est $830 http://speakerdesignworks.com/AviaTrix_6.html
I could only find the cost for the MTM at parts express $285 Pair so I would assume I would add another $145 for center. They do not have the MT as a kit so maybe another $450 for four of them.

X-LS Encore (AV123) from GR Research $677
http://gr-research.com/x-lsencorekit.aspx
Well if you're not looking at waveguides, perhaps you should start your own thread. I need reading comprehension because I didn't catch $1000 budget for 7 channels. That's a tall order.
post #7746 of 9844

Have you already bought the Sherbourn PT-7030 and PA-7-150? Doesn't make sense to me to buy an expensive pre-pro with amp then only spend $1000 on 7 speakers.

post #7747 of 9844
Erich's kit using the Celestion Buyout driver is a bargain, and should be able to handle that room, but I think you are looking about $1700 when you include all costs for 7 speakers. If you follow Erich's very good suggestion and go cheaper on the sub (with the plan to further add to the sub later) you might be able to build something for around $2300 including one very good sub.
post #7748 of 9844
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

Well if you're not looking at waveguides, perhaps you should start your own thread. I need reading comprehension because I didn't catch $1000 budget for 7 channels. That's a tall order.
you asked what I was looking at prior to coming here I am still doing research and someone suggested posting here. I am open to horns I originally thought the Eclipse Ultra THX 2 was a nice set except for the price. Everything I read about it was the home theater speakers to have. Which line should I be looking at Karma Series Fusion Series Alpha Series and what is the Cheap Thrill. Any of these will be good for LCR but what will tremble match them and fit in my columns? 15Wx11Dx14H
Edited by cw5billwade - 7/18/13 at 1:33pm
post #7749 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

You might consider lowering the money for the 2 subwoofers, and raising the money for the 7 speakers. 7 speakers for $1000 in that room is going to be tough. You can always add a second subwoofer later though.
so more of a $1500 $500 split?
post #7750 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

Have you already bought the Sherbourn PT-7030 and PA-7-150? Doesn't make sense to me to buy an expensive pre-pro with amp then only spend $1000 on 7 speakers.
No I was orginaly thinking about a Denon 4520 but was stered in that direction.
post #7751 of 9844
You can also get by with a less powerful amp if you look for more efficient speakers. Spending that much on a receiver and subs, but then going with mains using 4" or 6" woofers for a room that big might not give you what you want.

To stay around your budget, I'd look at the Karma-10's up front. There is a design not listed that should fit in your columns. It uses a SEOS-12 and two 6" Peerless woofers underneath. I think the design is done, but I'm not sure.
post #7752 of 9844
Guys, I just packaged up another 3 of the Cheap Thrill kits and realized that the number of DNA-350's is getting really low. As in.......about 12-15. After those are gone, I'll have to move to the 360's, which cost about $20 more. So if you're waiting, don't wait much longer.
post #7753 of 9844
Will the 350's be back?
post #7754 of 9844
I doubt more of the 350's will be ordered. They do have their place to keep prices lower on some models, and they're good drivers, but many people just ask for the 360. Now that the group buy money for the 350's is back in, I'll probably put it towards the neo magnet beauties a few pages back and see how those work out. I don't really like their higher price though.

I have ordered more of the BA-750's though. I'll be assembling those myself. There's a chance I'll be assembling the 360's myself as well to keep prices for everything as low as they are now. Shipping diaphragms from one manufacturer to another, and then having them assemble everything isn't too much extra money. But I wouldn't mind doing it either way.
post #7755 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I doubt more of the 350's will be ordered. They do have their place to keep prices lower on some models, and they're good drivers, but many people just ask for the 360. Now that the group buy money for the 350's is back in, I'll probably put it towards the neo magnet beauties a few pages back and see how those work out. I don't really like their higher price though.

I have ordered more of the BA-750's though. I'll be assembling those myself. There's a chance I'll be assembling the 360's myself as well to keep prices for everything as low as they are now. Shipping diaphragms from one manufacturer to another, and then having them assemble everything isn't too much extra money. But I wouldn't mind doing it either way.
Never thought there would be so many more people going for the 360 vs 350.
post #7756 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Guys, I just packaged up another 3 of the Cheap Thrill kits and realized that the number of DNA-350's is getting really low. As in.......about 12-15. After those are gone, I'll have to move to the 360's, which cost about $20 more. So if you're waiting, don't wait much longer.

whohoo! I got in on the last of the 350's!!! I feel special. or something like that (since two of those "triple CT's orders you packed up today were mine biggrin.gif)
post #7757 of 9844
+1

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post #7758 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

You can also get by with a less powerful amp if you look for more efficient speakers. Spending that much on a receiver and subs, but then going with mains using 4" or 6" woofers for a room that big might not give you what you want.

To stay around your budget, I'd look at the Karma-10's up front. There is a design not listed that should fit in your columns. It uses a SEOS-12 and two 6" Peerless woofers underneath. I think the design is done, but I'm not sure.
can you share the design and cost with me PM or email and will it voice better with the Karma-10 or cheap thrill?

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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Guys, I just packaged up another 3 of the Cheap Thrill kits and realized that the number of DNA-350's is getting really low. As in.......about 12-15. After those are gone, I'll have to move to the 360's, which cost about $20 more. So if you're waiting, don't wait much longer.
is the cheap thrill a better speaker than the karma-10s looks like about $20 each differance?
post #7759 of 9844
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Originally Posted by cw5billwade View Post

can you share the design and cost with me PM or email and will it voice better with the Karma-10 or cheap thrill?
is the cheap thrill a better speaker than the karma-10s looks like about $20 each differance?

You're missing $81 plus shipping from PartsExpress. The cheap thrill doesn't come with the crossover components or woofer.
post #7760 of 9844
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

You're missing $81 plus shipping from PartsExpress. The cheap thrill doesn't come with the crossover components or woofer.


I think he's counting that cuz it's only $20 difference WITH components from PE


the kits themselves are $60 difference apart so that falls in line with his comparison



although in REALITY. the kits are $30 apart since theirs about $30-$35 in shipping added onto the cheap thrills kit (they don't ship for free like the rest)
Edited by wormraper - 7/19/13 at 7:46am
post #7761 of 9844
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

You're missing $81 plus shipping from PartsExpress. The cheap thrill doesn't come with the crossover components or woofer.

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Originally Posted by wormraper View Post

I think he's counting that cuz it's only $20 difference WITH components from PE


the kits themselves are $60 difference apart so that falls in line with his comparison



although in REALITY. the kits are $30 apart since theirs about $30-$35 in shipping added onto the cheap thrills kit (they don't ship for free like the rest)
Yes I saw where the cheap thrill came to $198 but I did miss the free shiping. Still wondering about the comparision
post #7762 of 9844
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Originally Posted by wormraper View Post

I think he's counting that cuz it's only $20 difference WITH components from PE


the kits themselves are $60 difference apart so that falls in line with his comparison



although in REALITY. the kits are $30 apart since theirs about $30-$35 in shipping added onto the cheap thrills kit (they don't ship for free like the rest)
I think I need to get over the flu before I continue posting. wink.gif I thought he was looking at the Karma 8 and even that doesn't make sense.
post #7763 of 9844
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

I think I need to get over the flu before I continue posting. wink.gif I thought he was looking at the Karma 8 and even that doesn't make sense.

lol, I do that all the time when I'm sick. look at my posts and go "WTF was I even saying?"
post #7764 of 9844
Eric,
I am very much interested in the Neo CD drivers. I am planing to build a stereo pair using an AE TD12x and was looking for a CD with a little more extension and the best possible sound. The Neo CD seems to be what I am looking for. Now if you can supply it with a BE diaphragm... biggrin.gif
post #7765 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I have ordered more of the BA-750's though. I'll be assembling those myself.

I'm really hoping to get my SEOS-18/BA-750/TD15M design completed and passive by the end of August. Building big speakers is definitely a lot more complicated than building a little bookshelf, in many aspects. I never thought box construction would be such a holdback but that's what I get for using 1" MDF. In all the SEOS-24 / BMS coax craze, these drivers probably got lost, but they look like one deadly 1" tweeter if ever there was one that wasn't a $2000 TAD 2002.

Of course I still would love to see a Boron Carbide diaphragm option to make the BAs into "The Ultimate DIY Drivers" cool.gif
Edited by Eternal Velocity - 7/22/13 at 11:34pm
post #7766 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

I'm really hoping to get my SEOS-18/BA-750/TD15M design completed and passive by the end of August. Building big speakers is definitely a lot more complicated than building a little bookshelf, in many aspects. I never thought box construction would be such a holdback but that's what I get for using 1" MDF. In all the SEOS-24 / BMS coax craze, these drivers probably got lost, but they look like one deadly 1" tweeter if ever there was one that wasn't a $2000 TAD 2002.

Of course I still would love to see a Boron Carbide diaphragm option to make the BAs into "The Ultimate DIY Drivers" cool.gif

I'm doing a SEOS18/BA750/TD15M build too and have all the parts in hand.smile.gif I plan to build a separate box for the SEOS18 that will sit on top of the TD15M box. I haven't decided whether to go sealed or vented for the TD15M. What do you plan to do, sealed or vented? I plan to actively cross using the minidsp.

I'm going to use constrained layer damping; 9/16" 11 ply void free/ 1/16" Sikaflex 291/ 11 layer ply. I hope to achieve a well damped box without resorting to heavy MDF. Sealed certainly would be the easier route requiring only ~ 3cu. ft. box instead of ~6.0 cu ft . OTOH it would be nice to use the TD15M down to 35hz to supplement my subs and help with a distributed bass scenario.

I too would be interested in a boron carbide diaphragm option for the Big AZZ.biggrin.gif

Maybe we need a separate thread for SEOS 18 builds?
Edited by rajacat - 7/23/13 at 5:26pm
post #7767 of 9844
I just wired up my fusion 10 max and have no sound... What should I check to fix it?
post #7768 of 9844
Here is one of my crossovers. The positive comes in on the bottom on the black and the woofer is on the left. I reversed polarity at the comp driver and have nothing

post #7769 of 9844
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I just wired up my fusion 10 max and have no sound... What should I check to fix it?

I'd first check the crossover schematic to make sure you wired it right. Then when you're sure it's wired right make sure all the connections are soldered good and then make sure the woofer and tweeter are hooked up right.
post #7770 of 9844
Here is the offending speaker... I'm scared to try the other ones since this is soldered in now and very hard to work on

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